Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

retro:electro

Underground wrote: »

Rotten to the core and has been for a long time no doubt.

The Oscars takes the biscuit - these tossers take to the podium and accept their award by bloviating to the audience about some pressing issue (global warming, world hunger etc.), whilst the people they work for or maybe even the actors themselves are using their influence to sexually abuse men, women, even children. Toxic.

Well ya, and that's precisely my point. It has always been a sh!t hole. But it's ability to self praise and pat itself on the back over the years had the capacity to pull the wool over my young eyes, and make me think this place is pretty magical. Of course there were rumours throughout the years but now it's actually crumbling. Too right I say. Maybe now they can rewrite that god awful sh!t show that was La La Land-which won a tonne of Oscars- and instead give us an accurate representation of what it can take to be famous in Hollyweird.

Edit: quoted the wrong person. Meant to quote mad muffin.

BillyBobBS

Underground wrote: »

Rotten to the core and has been for a long time no doubt.

The Oscars takes the biscuit - these tossers take to the podium and accept their award by bloviating to the audience about some pressing issue (global warming, world hunger etc.), whilst the people they work for or maybe even the actors themselves are using their influence to sexually abuse men, women, even children. Toxic.

The virtue signalling for political gain last year from the likes of Streep was sickening.

RabbleRouser2k

Ipso wrote: »

That's what I was thinking earlier, in his books the Bog Nowhere and LA Confidential he makes the Hollywood class out to be degenerates and hypocrites. He also wrote some pretty slanderous type stuff about dead celebrities, I wonder who his sources are.

IT just shows Hollywood's self-gratification, a practical circle of self-masturbators. LA Confidential shows this ugly, dark undercurrent of Hollywood that they tried to pretend was in the past. And then they rewarded the film with Oscars.

Probably had a ton of insiders. The problem is that 'hearsay' doesn't stand up in court-even if you are protected by the first amendment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5031097/Kevin-Spacey-accused-assaulting-journalist-s-relative.html

The even more disturbing thing about Spacey, is how he's like 'Oh yeah, more stories will emerge...' it shows a distinct predatory behaviour. Like, 'it's them telling stories'-no shame in his actions.

From reading up on this-Spacey was known to 'hang out' with young guys-well below age of consent, and very much the age of Anthony Rapp when he was a teen. He'd take em to breakfast, where Spacey would be bleary eyed, hungover or coming down.

BillyBobBS wrote: »

The virtue signalling for political gain last year from the likes of Streep was sickening.

Yeah-the claims he was 'mocking a disabled person'...uh, no Meryl-he was making fun of himself. The 'idiot' that he knows he, like all of us, can often be. The reporter in question has cerebal palsy, but no stammer or anything-he speaks as eloqeuntly as most journalists. But that didn't stop the media lying again.

retro:electro

BillyBobBS wrote: »

The virtue signalling for political gain last year from the likes of Streep was sickening.

Streep was nauseating at the time but knowing all we know now it's actually infuriating. She's nothing but a big fat phoney. All that "off grid" nonsense only reinforced that in my eyes. Her biggest role to date is the one where she pretends to give a fcuk but is actually the biggest hypocrite of all. Give the woman an Oscar for that.

blinding

Didn’t Hollywood give Roman Polanski an Award even though he is wanted in America for Raping an underage girl . Was she 14 years old as well .

Don’t be looking to Hollywood for moral guidance or any guidance for that matter .

Hamlet.

Gay community acting disgusted by Spacey's timing at coming out is just as bad as Spacey's timing really. Only concerned about their own cause.

blinding

anna080 wrote: »

Streep was nauseating at the time but knowing all we know now it's actually infuriating. She's nothing but a big fat phoney. All that "off grid" nonsense only enforced that in my eyes. Her biggest role to date is the one where she pretends to give a fcuk but is actually the biggest hypocrite of all. Give the woman an Oscar for that.

They are Actress’s and Actors and keep their best performances for their awards speeches where they tell the rest of us how to behave .:eek:

_Dara_

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh deflection absolutely is smart. Which is why PR folk spend their whole careers engaging in it.



It's more than deflection because of the reasons I outlined. Had he not come out as gay the media would be now focused on him denying his sexuality. They could then write article after article attempting to out him and finishing each one off by reminding readers that Kevin Spacey has been accused of attempting to sexually assault an underage boy.

I get that it's not palatable to many that he is coming out as gay in response to this accusation (it shows what a scumbag he is for one) but you're naive if you can't see that by aligning himself with a minority hasn't closed off certain avenues of reporting which would have made the headlines today far worse for him.

Actually, I disagree. Every headline I’ve read on the subject today had been in the vein of being disgusted at him trying to use coming out as a shield against the accusations against him. The accusations have been mentioned in every article I’ve read. Some articles have made very little mention of his coming out, mostly focussing on the story of the actor who spoke out against him. The plan seems to be have been to distract people but pretty much everyone seems to realise what he is at. And on Twitter, many prominent gay people are criticising him. The minority doesn’t want him because he is conflating being gay with being deviant, a stereotype that gay people have fought hard against.

So what “avenues of reporting” do you think haven’t been explored bearing in mind that this is still a fairly new story and we likely haven’t heard the end of it?

RabbleRouser2k

BillyBobBS wrote: »

The virtue signalling for political gain last year from the likes of Streep was sickening.

Don't forget all the 'Trump' jokes, comments etc-then they read out the wrong damn winning movie with the 'stand up for Truth' speech.
Seems like a massive gaff on Hollywood's biggest stage signalled revelations were coming down the pipeline.

Was thinking back about Spacey's career, and essentially it was over in a very, very short spell of time. Glengarry, Glen Ross to American Beauty was his 'career', really-7 years in total. By the time the 00's hit, he was already on the backburner, playing second fiddle or supporting roles (Ordinary Decent Criminal signalled the end. His one lead role in that time, he directed and starred in-and it flopped). This despite 2 Oscar wins. That's very odd. Seems like even at that time, there were 'rumours'.

Outlaw Pete

_Dara_ wrote: »

So what “avenues of reporting” do you think haven’t been explored bearing in mind that this is still a fairly new story and we likely haven’t heard the end of it?

I've already outlined which avenues of reporting he effectively shut down by coming out, twice or three times now, here's just one of them:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

They could then write article after article attempting to out him and finishing each one off by reminding readers that Kevin Spacey has been accused of attempting to sexually assault an underage boy.

Yes the media are still talking about the accusation at the moment (of course they are) but by 'coming out' he has largely changed the context in which the accusation is being spoken about. Had he not come out the context would have been that he is lying about his sexuality and that they (the media) have proof of it and reader/viewer, if he's lying about that, then he must be lying about not remembering that boy who says that he tried to rape him at a party when he was only 14 years old.

You might not think he accomplished much now but you can bet your ass that when the smoke clears, at some point down the line Spacey will be sitting with Barbra Walters (or whoever) and the bulk of the discussion will be his struggles with his sexuality. He's changed the narrative by doing what he did and it looks like they haven't stopped yet, as now his brother has gone to the media (again - rehashing an old interview were he detailed their troubled upbringing) claiming that their father raped him when he was young and made Kevin's life hell also:

Kevin Spacey's father sexually abused his own son for years

Spacey's older brother Randall Fowler, 62, described the current allegations leveled at his brother as 'disturbing' to DailyMail.com, as he acknowledged he had been made aware of them in the early hours of Monday morning.

Spacey, 58, claims not to recall the incident with Rapp, and has issued an apology of sorts for 'what would have been inappropriate drunken behavior.'

In a tweeted statement he went on to say that the story has encouraged him to 'address other things' about his life, speaking openly for the first time about his homosexuality and choice to now live 'as a gay man.'

Fowler has given some insight into what those 'other things' might be, as he admitted he was sexually abused by their father for years and that his mother knew of the abuse.

But, according to Fowler, along with older sister Julie, he and the notoriously secretive star shared a brutal upbringing in a 'house of horrors' dominated by their ultra right wing, perverted sadist of a father.

Hard to know if DM contacted the brother in order to rehash this old story, or he them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the other way around as I see most media sources are running with the story now too. Damage limitation / deflection in full swing it would seem.

BlaasForRafa

Hamlet. wrote: »

Gay community acting disgusted by Spacey's timing at coming out is just as bad as Spacey's timing really. Only concerned about their own cause.

pretty much every "oppressed minority" is desperately looking for something to be offended by at the moment.

JupiterKid

mikeysmith wrote: »

The gay community can't be too happy with his statement

We aren't. Not in the slightest. Many are very angry. Spacey is a sexual predator of teenage boys and his extremely belated coming out amidst the emerging scandals has just made the homophobes think that they were right all along in conflating homosexuality with paedophelia.

He's a despicable filthy coward. If he had any guts he would have come out 20 years ago. But no, he chose to hide in the closet so as to remain bankable and prey on teenage boys. Hollywood are a shower of despicable hypocrites of the highest order.

JupiterKid

Hamlet. wrote: »

Gay community acting disgusted by Spacey's timing at coming out is just as bad as Spacey's timing really. Only concerned about their own cause.

Really, so LGBT people aren't disgusted at Spacey's extremely belated coming out in order to save his own vile skin and to deflect attention from his deviant actions because we are angry at his timing and motives - but no, we are supposedly only concerned at our own cause? And what "cause" might that be? What are you really implying?

Thinly veiled homophobia if I ever saw it.

Outlaw Pete

I remember George Michael getting a lot of criticism throughout the 90's from the gay community for not coming out until he was in his mid 30's (despite it being pretty much an open secret, especially this side of the pond) and it wasn't until he was arrested in LA that he finally did 'come out' publicly (no pun intended :P) on CNN but obviously nothing he did in anyway compares to what Spacey is being accused of here of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLoVJ5DgYcY

BillyBobBS

You see that's the whole problem here, the story is about Spacey coming out when in reality it should be 100% about the fact he attempted to abuse a 14 year old boy.

HandsomeBob

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

My money would be on him issuing another apology only this time apologising for the timing of his "coming out" and that he just didn't want to go on 'denying his sexuality any longer' or some other similarly cliched nonsense.

Ultimately I feel he will attempt to get the public to see him at the time as being a guy in his mid 20's who was struggling with his sexuality and made a drunken mistake.

It would be a risky game for him to play as it's based on an assumption that no-one else will come forward.

His statement just seemed strange in general. Panic written all over it.

eviltwin

This is becoming a witch hunt now.

ChikiChiki

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

IT just shows Hollywood's self-gratification, a practical circle of self-masturbators. LA Confidential shows this ugly, dark undercurrent of Hollywood that they tried to pretend was in the past. And then they rewarded the film with Oscars.

Probably had a ton of insiders. The problem is that 'hearsay' doesn't stand up in court-even if you are protected by the first amendment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5031097/Kevin-Spacey-accused-assaulting-journalist-s-relative.html

The even more disturbing thing about Spacey, is how he's like 'Oh yeah, more stories will emerge...' it shows a distinct predatory behaviour. Like, 'it's them telling stories'-no shame in his actions.

From reading up on this-Spacey was known to 'hang out' with young guys-well below age of consent, and very much the age of Anthony Rapp when he was a teen. He'd take em to breakfast, where Spacey would be bleary eyed, hungover or coming down.



Yeah-the claims he was 'mocking a disabled person'...uh, no Meryl-he was making fun of himself. The 'idiot' that he knows he, like all of us, can often be. The reporter in question has cerebal palsy, but no stammer or anything-he speaks as eloqeuntly as most journalists. But that didn't stop the media lying again.

There have been creep stories about Spacey circulating for years. Think there is a thread on reddit about it and if its anything to go by he is gonna be in a hell of a lot of bother. I would think Netflix were aware of his antics by how quickly they acted.

On a side note actually played in a poker tournament with Anthony Rapp in the Wynn in Vegas. First time I ever was aware of him as others players were fawning over him but he was genuinely a very nice guy and asking me about Ireland and all things Irish. Was sorry to hear he went through that ordeal.

philstar

eviltwin wrote: »

This is becoming a witch hunt now.

yep its Operation Yewtree part II

Shurimgreat

I think in time there will be a focus on the lawyers and lawfirms who worked on paying off victims of sexual assault and writing up non disclosure agreements.

These law firms covered up for sex offenders, when these offenders should have been jailed and on a sex offenders register. They helped force victims into silence thus opening the door for hundreds more victims.

Weinsteins lawyers and his victims lawyers knew what he was like and yet did nothing to bring it to public attention which could have prevent dozens more women going through this.

server down

philstar wrote: »

yep its Operation Yewtree part II

There’s literally no investigation. Weinstein isn’t likely to be investigated either.

philstar

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

we'll see

Penn

server down wrote: »

There’s literally no investigation. Weinstein isn’t likely to be investigated either.

He's literally being investigated by police for sexual assault and possibly rape. Why they haven't brought him in for questioning or anything is unknown, but he is being investigated and considering the focus on the New York District Attorney who it seems took donations for Weinstein after dismissing a previous investigation against him, and the publicity surrounding the entire thing which wasn't there previously, it's highly unlikely Weinstein is going to be able to pay anyone off this time. No one will want to risk being seen to be helping him.

server down

philstar wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

we'll see

would you consider an investigation into Weinstein a witch hunt?

BoJack Horseman

BillyBobBS wrote: »

it should be 100% about the fact he attempted to abuse a 14 year old boy.

Hey.... no pedo bashing please!

(As left wing groups in America will tell you)

server down

Penn wrote: »

He's literally being investigated by police for sexual assault and possibly rape. Why they haven't brought him in for questioning or anything is unknown, but he is being investigated and considering the focus on the New York District Attorney who it seems took donations for Weinstein after dismissing a previous investigation against him, and the publicity surrounding the entire thing which wasn't there previously, it's highly unlikely Weinstein is going to be able to pay anyone off this time. No one will want to risk being seen to be helping him.

Oh wasn’t aware of that. Most of the charges are not being investigated though.

Buer

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Was thinking back about Spacey's career, and essentially it was over in a very, very short spell of time. Glengarry, Glen Ross to American Beauty was his 'career', really-7 years in total. By the time the 00's hit, he was already on the backburner, playing second fiddle or supporting roles (Ordinary Decent Criminal signalled the end. His one lead role in that time, he directed and starred in-and it flopped). This despite 2 Oscar wins. That's very odd. Seems like even at that time, there were 'rumours'.

He's still a massive name and has continued to be successful since the turn of the century.

He moved to lower key vanity projects such as Beyond The Sea and went back to working in theatre, moving to London for a decade before starring in one of the most popular and celebrated television productions of recent years. Just because he wasn't starring in Hollywood productions, doesn't mean he wasn't very active and yet still managed 3 Golden Globe nominations in that period for the few movies he did star in.

Shurimgreat

Its possible Rose McGowan could spend more time in prison than Weinstein!

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1031/916377-rose-mcgowan/

The US is a daft country where anything goes.

Any trial of Weinstein will involve his lawyers cross examining victims and dragging them through the mud. Its unlikely he will spend a day in prison.

Wibbs

JupiterKid wrote: »

We aren't. Not in the slightest. Many are very angry. Spacey is a sexual predator of teenage boys and his extremely belated coming out amidst the emerging scandals has just made the homophobes think that they were right all along in conflating homosexuality with paedophelia.

Yep and looking at the reporting of the matter there is also the smell of double standards even at this stage, beyond the attempted pass at an underage guy. There's talk of him chasing younger men(above legal age) and that alone is being seen as bad, whereas if he was straight that aspect would barely raise a mention. It would be all about the harassment. Similar with the buzz around the gay director(Bryan Singer). Him and his older rich powerful gay mates hang out with younger men at parties. And that's seen as bad, regardless of any alleged wrongdoing. Older rich and powerful straight guys surrounding themselves with young women at parties wouldn't be news at all.

eviltwin

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep and looking at the reporting of the matter there is also the smell of double standards even at this stage, beyond the attempted pass at an underage guy. There's talk of him chasing younger men(above legal age) and that alone is being seen as bad, whereas if he was straight that aspect would barely raise a mention. It would be all about the harassment. Similar with the buzz around the gay director(Bryan Singer). Him and his older rich powerful gay mates hang out with younger men at parties. And that's seen as bad, regardless of any alleged wrongdoing. Older rich and powerful straight guys surrounding themselves with young women at parties wouldn't be news at all.

Completely agree. If he had tried it on with a 14 yr old girl there wouldn't be the same level of outrage.Hollywood homophobia at its finest.

HandsomeBob

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Its possible Rose McGowan could spend more time in prison than Weinstein!

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1031/916377-rose-mcgowan/

The US is a daft country where anything goes.

Any trial of Weinstein will involve his lawyers cross examining victims and dragging them through the mud. Its unlikely he will spend a day in prison.

Jesus, I assumed before clicking that it would be due to her breaking a disclosure agreement, which would have surprised me as I'd say Rose spoke out safe in the assumption that with enough people behind her, Weinstein and others wouldn't go after her like that.

But it seems they're going after her in other ways...and this happened earlier in the year which just makes it all the more dubious to go after her now like that.

silverharp

eviltwin wrote: »

Completely agree. If he had tried it on with a 14 yr old girl there wouldn't be the same level of outrage.Hollywood homophobia at its finest.

do you think, if it had been about a 14 year old girl we would have got the Harvey treatment. As it was the press focused on his coming out until it was pointed out that that wasn't the takeaway.

Shurimgreat

I think after reading more about the McGowan case, her actions have been a bit dubious.
She was prepared to accept more money in September to stay silent and was on the verge of signing a new agreement, when the New York Times article by Farrow broke. Then she jumped on the anti Weinstein bandwagon.

Weinstein could and should have been exposed decades ago. Again his lawyers have a lot to answer for. I hope they can sleep soundly at night.

eviltwin

silverharp wrote: »

do you think, if it had been about a 14 year old girl we would have got the Harvey treatment. As it was the press focused on his coming out until it was pointed out that that wasn't the takeaway.

I think people would be a lot more forgiving. I think there would be more questions about why a child was at an adult party alone. I think people would assume she looked older and more would be made of the fact he was drunk and stopped short of actually doing anything physical. His sexuality is irrelevant to most and its telling there is more outrage about how he chose to announce it than there is about the incident itself.

retro:electro

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think after reading more about the McGowan case, her actions have been a bit dubious.
She was prepared to accept more money in September to stay silent and was on the verge of signing a new agreement, when the New York Times article by Farrow broke. Then she jumped on the anti Weinstein bandwagon.

Weinstein could and should have been exposed decades ago. Again his lawyers have a lot to answer for. I hope they can sleep soundly at night.

She acts like she's the one who broke all of this. She wasn't, and she'd likely still be silent now had that article not been published.

Hector Savage

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Hey.... no pedo bashing please!

(As left wing groups in America will tell you)

I never got the lefts apologising for this.

There was an article on salon about some guy talking about his attraction to 5 year old girls, and they had a background video of a girl doing ballet ... meanwhile he's talking about his fantasies etc ... really unsettling.

Yes it's Salon, the absolute gutter of the left but still ...

It's great that people are speaking out about this kind of thing but McGowan is only speaking out now because others did, she seemed quite happy to sign another NDA and take some cash but now she's positioned herself as some warrior who broke this story. What she is doing is no different to what Corey Feldman is trying to do, she saw a way to make her relevant again and she jumped at it. Fair play to her, it's just a shame that this change may end up going nowhere as the figure heads are McGowan and Feldman.

McGowan was interviewed in 2011 and in it she spoke about working on an upcoming Victor Salve film Rosewood Lane. It's funny how back then she isn't speaking out for victims and has no problem working with another Weinstein.

You’re starring in the upcoming thriller Rosewood Lane, which was written and directed by Powder’s Victor Salva, whose films often reflect his gay sensibility and outsider mentality. Is that the case with Rosewood Lane?
I don’t think so. And I do not have good clothes in that film either; I had to wear office-lady clothes and it killed me. That was an interesting dynamic, because Victor had never done a movie with a female lead, and he was uncomfortable. He really doesn’t relate to women well. He was open about that, which was slightly jarring, because I don’t really know what to do with that information.

Well, Salva is a convicted and registered sex offender, which might account for some social awkwardness.
Yeah, I still don’t really understand the whole story or history there, and I’d rather not, because it’s not really my business. But he’s an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker.

brainfreeze

naughtb4 wrote: »

Seems a big step for what is a single unproven allegation.

Wonder does it mean there is alot more to come

Season 6 was always the last season. I find it a bit sinister from netflix that they are using this recent allegation to renounce this, as if it was a moral decision.

There was a big debate whether season 6 was even going to happen at all, and that was only in September! That had nothing to do with Kevin Spacey.

Outlaw Pete

HandsomeBob wrote: »

It would be a risky game for him to play as it's based on an assumption that no-one else will come forward.

Well, with regards to underage boys, maybe there are no others.

His statement just seemed strange in general. Panic written all over it.

Could have been, absolutely, but it's worked. I mean look:

BillyBobBS wrote: »

You see that's the whole problem here, the story is about Spacey coming out when in reality it should be 100% about the fact he attempted to abuse a 14 year old boy.

So whether it was a panic move or not, it has worked to a large degree.

Even when they do get back to focusing on the allegation, they will still have to discuss it in the context that Spacey is gay and hadn't come out at the time, was drunk, in his 20's and.... blah blah blah... as that's what they're left with now. Perhaps I'm wrong but for me, despite the annoyance of the gay community and the premature cancelling of the TV show, coming out might have just saved his career in the long term. Hollywood, I feel, are far more likely to give him the Polanski treatment than the Weinstein one.

Speaking of which, just seen that there's a breaking news story with the effect that the investigation on Winestein is widening in the UK. More allegations I guess.

Hamlet.

JupiterKid wrote: »

Really, so LGBT people aren't disgusted at Spacey's extremely belated coming out in order to save his own vile skin and to deflect attention from his deviant actions because we are angry at his timing and motives - but no, we are supposedly only concerned at our own cause? And what "cause" might that be? What are you really implying?

Thinly veiled homophobia if I ever saw it.

There's a desire to be seen as a victim and a need for attention which is why so many gay stars are more concerned with his 'coming out' than the actual incident. An opportunity to appear outraged.

Outlaw Pete

I think it's more the fact that it associates sexual assault with homosexuality. As I posted earlier, George Michael got similar criticism when he only came out after his arrest for lewd behavior. If public figures only ever came out when they are involved in such incidents then it would hardly be a positive thing for the gay community, hence the reaction. Seen yesterday it was referred to as 'hiding under the rainbow'.

newport2

brainfreeze wrote: »

Season 6 was always the last season. I find it a bit sinister from netflix that they are using this recent allegation to renounce this, as if it was a moral decision.

There was a big debate whether season 6 was even going to happen at all, and that was only in September! That had nothing to do with Kevin Spacey.

Once Trump got elected it was game over. No way of outdoing (or even matching) his antics in a fictional drama without it seeming ridiculous and far-fetched. (That said, HOCs went downhill sharply after series 2 IMO)

newport2

Hamlet. wrote: »

There's a desire to be seen as a victim and a need for attention which is why so many gay stars are more concerned with his 'coming out' than the actual incident. An opportunity to appear outraged.

In fairness, lot's of homophobic people in the past have justified their attitudes by inferring being gay is linked with paedophilia, grooming, etc. Kevin Spacey has given them plenty of fuel for the fire by his timing, that's why people are understandably pi**ed off.

valoren

It would be bad enough if a 26 year old established actor was, drunkenly or not, hitting on and propositioning a 14 year old.
That's something Spacey didn't bother to even deny. Rapp claims he made a physical pass at him in a bedroom during an after party and managed to squirm out of his hold and left the apartment.

If it was an isolated incident he could well say he was pissed drunk and for all he knew he would have probably chatted up and humped a lamp post given the state he was in, never mind a 14 year old kid. His PR people could have suggested that to diffuse/deflect from his predatory behavior. They could have said Spacey even got so drunk once that he got into a heated argument with a tree once upon a time. I'm sure anyone would remember trying to get it on with anyone. It's completely disingenuous to say you can't recall that.

Yet Spacey knows his own 'handsy' reputation precedes itself in his own actor circles, not general society, so he didn't even deny it didn't happen and it speaks volumes. Perhaps it's because he's tried similar with other's and his failure to recollect is actually true to that extent which makes it all the worse.

alchemist33

brainfreeze wrote: »

Season 6 was always the last season. I find it a bit sinister from netflix that they are using this recent allegation to renounce this, as if it was a moral decision.

There was a big debate whether season 6 was even going to happen at all, and that was only in September! That had nothing to do with Kevin Spacey.

Just like Spacey coming out to deflect from the abuse claims, Netflix have cynically released this information to deflect too, so they can be seen to be "doing something", even though they were doing that thing already.

JP Liz V1

brainfreeze wrote: »

Season 6 was always the last season. I find it a bit sinister from netflix that they are using this recent allegation to renounce this, as if it was a moral decision.

There was a big debate whether season 6 was even going to happen at all, and that was only in September! That had nothing to do with Kevin Spacey.

Maybe there was rumblings back then about a story coming out

I wonder will Netflix sill go ahead with Spacey's Gore Vidal biopic now

Given how Spacey worded his reply apology statement makes me think there is some truth in Rapp's accusation

blinding

Hollywood seem to have fallen down of giving a Safe Spacey to a lot of people .

Asus X540L

So Anthony rapp, a gay man, goes to a gay party then cries foul 21 years later cause a gay man cracked onto him?

**** him. He could only dream of having the career spacey has had

alchemist33

Asus X540L wrote: »

So Anthony rapp, a gay man, goes to a gay party then cries foul 21 years later cause a gay man cracked onto him?

**** him. He could only dream of having the career spacey has had

Rapp was 14 years old at the time.

Drumpot

Deleted User wrote: »

It's great that people are speaking out about this kind of thing but McGowan is only speaking out now because others did, she seemed quite happy to sign another NDA and take some cash but now she's positioned herself as some warrior who broke this story. What she is doing is no different to what Corey Feldman is trying to do, she saw a way to make her relevant again and she jumped at it. Fair play to her, it's just a shame that this change may end up going nowhere as the figure heads are McGowan and Feldman.

McGowan was interviewed in 2011 and in it she spoke about working on an upcoming Victor Salve film Rosewood Lane. It's funny how back then she isn't speaking out for victims and has no problem working with another Weinstein.

You’re starring in the upcoming thriller Rosewood Lane, which was written and directed by Powder’s Victor Salva, whose films often reflect his gay sensibility and outsider mentality. Is that the case with Rosewood Lane?
I don’t think so. And I do not have good clothes in that film either; I had to wear office-lady clothes and it killed me. That was an interesting dynamic, because Victor had never done a movie with a female lead, and he was uncomfortable. He really doesn’t relate to women well. He was open about that, which was slightly jarring, because I don’t really know what to do with that information.

Well, Salva is a convicted and registered sex offender, which might account for some social awkwardness.
Yeah, I still don’t really understand the whole story or history there, and I’d rather not, because it’s not really my business. But he’s an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker.

McGowan and Feldman were both allegedly abused and you have a go at them for their timing? For not coming foreword sooner? For trying to get on with their lives with the cards they were dealt? Many people are emotionally and mentally broken after these events, Your post is exactly why people are slow to speak up about abuse.... It sounds like you are portioning blame on the victim for not being “strong” enough to expose their abusers... It’s not easy for people to do that and even that they leave themselves exposed even further which is why nobody spoke up for so long.

In all fairness to Feldman he did do any interview in 2011 about this. http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/feldman-corey-pedophilia-celebrity-hollywood-14277801

I watched an interesting interview with him where he stated that he was only on drugs for a year or two. The way he is painted by the media is that he is a weirdo druggie since his teens. It reinforces my view that people don’t realize how much their views and opinions on people can be be easily manipulated to discredit victims....

For all the “well Hollywood defended Polanski” , it’s not like viewers of Oscars or cinema goers gave a F**k either. ... Its also amusing that actors are now getting grief for finally coming forward as if the people complaining about it have some sort of moral high ground on which to judge..... This sort of cover up of abuse and victim blaming is a huge part of Irish culture. Sure we still haven’t learned how to discuss serious topics like grown adults....