Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

optogirl

Asus X540L wrote: »

So Anthony rapp, a gay man, goes to a gay party then cries foul 21 years later cause a gay man cracked onto him?

**** him. He could only dream of having the career spacey has had

a gay party?

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

I don't think that's very fair. What's a 14 year old kid to do at the time this happened?

That's true but I'm struggling to see something malevolent in a 26-year-old Spacey drunkenly coming on to a guy he'd spent the evening partying with in a night club and that he found in HIS bed after a party.

Rapp said that for years he did not tell anyone about his experience. It wasn’t until Spacey’s career began to rise in the 1990s and 2000s that Rapp became angrier and more frustrated at the memory, saying his “stomach churns” when he sees Spacey now. “I still to this day can’t wrap my head around so many aspects of it. It’s just deeply confusing to me,” Rapp said.
Rapp also said that, as a queer man himself, he had found Spacey’s firm stance on his own private life deeply frustrating: “I wanted to scream to the rooftops, ‘This guy is a fraud!’”

So is Rapp angry and frustrated about what happened or about the fact that Spacey tried to keep his homosexuality a secret when he (Rapp) knew better?

Shurimgreat

Drumpot wrote: »

McGowan and Feldman were both allegedly abused and you have a go at them for their timing? For not coming foreword sooner? For trying to get on with their lives with the cards they were dealt? Many people are emotionally and mentally broken after these events, Your post is exactly why people are slow to speak up about abuse.... It sounds like you are portioning blame on the victim for not being “strong” enough to expose their abusers... It’s not easy for people to do that and even that they leave themselves exposed even further which is why nobody spoke up for so long.

In all fairness to Feldman he did do any interview in 2011 about this. http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/feldman-corey-pedophilia-celebrity-hollywood-14277801

I watched an interesting interview with him where he stated that he was only on drugs for a year or two. The way he is painted by the media is that he is a weirdo druggie since his teens. It reinforces my view that people don’t realize how much their views and opinions on people can be be easily manipulated to discredit victims....

For all the “well Hollywood defended Polanski” , it’s not like viewers of Oscars or cinema goers gave a F**k either. ... Its also amusing that actors are now getting grief for finally coming forward as if the people complaining about it have some sort of moral high ground on which to judge..... This sort of cover up of abuse and victim blaming is a huge part of Irish culture. Sure we still haven’t learned how to discuss serious topics like grown adults....

Have you followed the McGowan story?

Here's a reminder. She was attacked in the 90s. Her silence was bought off with 100k. My own view is attacked women shouldn't put a price on their silence as it only encourages the perpetrator that they can get away with these things.

She then had 20 years to expose Weinstein, but chose not to. Oddly enough she only discovered recently there was nothing in the deal she struck with him about non disclosure. I find it hard to believe she only discovered this lately. So in other words she could have called him out years ago if she wanted.

In September this year, there were rumours that Weinstein was about to be exposed as a violent sexual predator. His people reached out to her to buy her silence again with an offer of 1 million. She said make it 6 million and its a deal. She was on the verge of signing it when the Farrow article was published. Now it was pointless for Weinstein to pay anyone as it was all out in the open. Only after the Farrow article and a pay off was no longer an option did McGowan open up.

Too little too late in my book from her. She could have put a stop to Weinstein years ago.

I feel sorry for her inevitably, but she has undermined her credibility with the latest revelations.

eviltwin

Are people more pissed off that a gay man managed to make a career in Hollywood, something that doesn't happen to anyone who is out? It shouldn't matter if someone is gay, straight etc but unfortunately, in some cases, it does. Sexuality is a personal thing, no one owes it to the community to come out if they don't want to.

Drumpot

Drumpot wrote: »

McGowan and Feldman were both allegedly abused and you have a go at them for their timing? For not coming foreword sooner? For trying to get on with their lives with the cards they were dealt? Many people are emotionally and mentally broken after these events, Your post is exactly why people are slow to speak up about abuse.... It sounds like you are portioning blame on the victim for not being “strong” enough to expose their abusers... It’s not easy for people to do that and even that they leave themselves exposed even further which is why nobody spoke up for so long.

In all fairness to Feldman he did do any interview in 2011 about this. http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/feldman-corey-pedophilia-celebrity-hollywood-14277801

I watched an interesting interview with him where he stated that he was only on drugs for a year or two. The way he is painted by the media is that he is a weirdo druggie since his teens. It reinforces my view that people don’t realize how much their views and opinions on people can be be easily manipulated to discredit victims....

For all the “well Hollywood defended Polanski” , it’s not like viewers of Oscars or cinema goers gave a F**k either. ... Its also amusing that actors are now getting grief for finally coming forward as if the people complaining about it have some sort of moral high ground on which to judge..... This sort of cover up of abuse and victim blaming is a huge part of Irish culture. Sure we still haven’t learned how to discuss serious topics like grown adults....

Not having a go at either, just not a fan of how both are using this to their advantage. Feldman has threatened to name names for over a decade and never done so but if he gets 10 million in donations he's going to make a film about the whole thing in which he names the people involved. Why not just name the people involved? What he and others went through is awful, amongst the worst thing that can happen to a person but his recent Indiegogo campaign feels like a cynical cash grab.

McGowan has painted herself as some leader but she never really spoke out till others did and it appears that she was prepared to sign another NDA in exchange for saying nothing until the Farrow story broke. I can understand why she did and can not imagine the suffering she had to endure but it's rather weird to hear her having a go at Spacey yesterday when only a few years ago she was working with and defending a convicted child abuser, who she called "an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker." The same man whose recent film has a subplot about a character being molested by their father. It was removed but review copies had a line in which one character tells another “Can you blame him though? I mean look at her,” the character says. “The heart wants what it wants, am I right?”

Asus X540L

optogirl wrote: »

a gay party?

I'd imagine it was flaming.

And since when do you ask for ID at an adult gay party?

Anthony Rapp should be ashamed of himself coming out with this now.

He wasn't even sexually assaulted anyway just hit on by a man who probably had no idea of his age

Drumpot

Deleted User wrote: »

Not having a go at either, just not a fan of how both are using this to their advantage. Feldman has threatened to name names for over a decade and never done so but if he gets 10 million in donations he's going to make a film about the whole thing in which he names the people involved. Why not just name the people involved? What he and others went through is awful, amongst the worst thing that can happen to a person but his recent Indiegogo campaign feels like a cynical cash grab.

McGowan has painted herself as some leader but she never really spoke out till others did and it appears that she was prepared to sign another NDA in exchange for saying nothing until the Farrow story broke. I can understand why she did and can not imagine the suffering she had to endure but it's rather weird to hear her having a go at Spacey yesterday when only a few years ago she was working with and defending a convicted child abuser, who she called "an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker." The same man whose recent film has a subplot about a character being molested by their father. It was removed but review copies had a line in which one character tells another “Can you blame him though? I mean look at her,” the character says. “The heart wants what it wants, am I right?”

You are “not having a go at either” and then have a go at them again?!

You are choosing to focus on the reactions on the victims. You speak from an ideal world scenario where you have Zero insight into these peoples lives of how they chose to deal With the. Abuse.. They want to be financially compensated for their troubles. In the absence of justice or wanting to go public who are you to question their motives?

It’s easy to philosophically write a post on what is subjectively right or wrong behavior for victims of abuse. Not every abuse victim reacts the same way and I don’t think it’s surprising that celebrity’s , who live in their own bubble, react in such an alien way to normal people...

I don’t condone McGowan taking money to lie about Weinstein.
Perhaps she felt it was an extra payoff for the suffering or perhaps it’s a bonus in her mind given how Hollywood thinks this sort of sexual behavioir is acceptable. It’s an easy trap to fall into, focusing on the victims mistakes or misguided actions , that can derail discussions on the entire toxic culture that exists in that part of the world...

But at the end of the day they are victims of abuse... It is easy to imagine that the abuse and culture they grew up in would warp what they think is normal.
Normalize the abnormal.

Sonics2k

optogirl wrote: »

a gay party?

Apparently a cast party is a gay party now.

Actually to be fair, I've been to a good few cast parties over the years and it's not far off, but not in the way this guy meant.

tara73

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Have you followed the McGowan story?

Here's a reminder. She was attacked in the 90s. Her silence was bought off with 100k. My own view is attacked women shouldn't put a price on their silence as it only encourages the perpetrator that they can get away with these things.

She then had 20 years to expose Weinstein, but chose not to. Oddly enough she only discovered recently there was nothing in the deal she struck with him about non disclosure. I find it hard to believe she only discovered this lately. So in other words she could have called him out years ago if she wanted.

In September this year, there were rumours that Weinstein was about to be exposed as a violent sexual predator. His people reached out to her to buy her silence again with an offer of 1 million. She said make it 6 million and its a deal. She was on the verge of signing it when the Farrow article was published. Now it was pointless for Weinstein to pay anyone as it was all out in the open. Only after the Farrow article and a pay off was no longer an option did McGowan open up.

Too little too late in my book from her. She could have put a stop to Weinstein years ago.

I feel sorry for her inevitably, but she has undermined her credibility with the latest revelations.

did somebody post links here about the story to back this up? in all the posts might have missed it. can you point out the source for this? thanks.

Drumpot

Drumpot wrote: »

You are “not having a go at either” and then have a go at them again?!

You are choosing to focus on the reactions on the victims. You speak from an ideal world scenario where you have Zero insight into these peoples lives of how they chose to deal With the. Abuse.. They want to be financially compensated for their troubles. In the absence of justice or wanting to go public who are you to question their motives?

It’s easy to philosophically write a post on what is subjectively right or wrong behavior for victims of abuse. Not every abuse victim reacts the same way and I don’t think it’s surprising that celebrity’s , who live in their own bubble, react in such an alien way to normal people...

I don’t condone McGowan taking money to lie about Weinstein.
Perhaps she felt it was an extra payoff for the suffering or perhaps it’s a bonus in her mind given how Hollywood thinks this sort of sexual behavioir is acceptable. It’s an easy trap to fall into, focusing on the victims mistakes or misguided actions , that can derail discussions on the entire toxic culture that exists in that part of the world...

But at the end of the day they are victims of abuse... It is easy to imagine that the abuse and culture they grew up in would warp what they think is normal.
Normalize the abnormal.

I don't think anyone thinks it is acceptable, and yes what happened McGowan and Feldman may have normalised the abnormal for them but that does not mean that Feldman trying to raise 10 million dollars before he names names is anything less than a cynical cash grab. In recent years Feldman has made a career out of talking about naming names, he's yet to name anyone and his Indiegogo campaign makes it look like he is cashing in now that abuse in Hollywood is trending.

McGowan was negotiating a price for her silence a month ago and I'm sure many would and have done the same but she is not the champion she and others are making her out to be. Would she even have spoken out had the story not broke? She isn't even really speaking out so much as tweeting at any celeb whose name is mentioned in any way related to Weinstein or abuse in Hollywood.

If they want to be financially compensated, why are they not bringing civil suits against their abusers? Why is Feldman trying to get random people to give him 10 million, maybe it makes sense to him but to many it looks like he saw an opportunity to profit and jumped at it.

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Deleted User wrote: »

Not having a go at either, just not a fan of how both are using this to their advantage. Feldman has threatened to name names for over a decade and never done so but if he gets 10 million in donations he's going to make a film about the whole thing in which he names the people involved. Why not just name the people involved? What he and others went through is awful, amongst the worst thing that can happen to a person but his recent Indiegogo campaign feels like a cynical cash grab.

McGowan has painted herself as some leader but she never really spoke out till others did and it appears that she was prepared to sign another NDA in exchange for saying nothing until the Farrow story broke. I can understand why she did and can not imagine the suffering she had to endure but it's rather weird to hear her having a go at Spacey yesterday when only a few years ago she was working with and defending a convicted child abuser, who she called "an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker." The same man whose recent film has a subplot about a character being molested by their father. It was removed but review copies had a line in which one character tells another “Can you blame him though? I mean look at her,” the character says. “The heart wants what it wants, am I right?”

It seems that justice in Hollywood terms means more money. In fact the lawyers for the victims have criticised the lack of action ( monetary I presume) from the Weinstein company but not pushed for a criminal investigation.

_Dara_

BillyBobBS wrote: »

You see that's the whole problem here, the story is about Spacey coming out when in reality it should be 100% about the fact he attempted to abuse a 14 year old boy.

Everyone else must be seeing different headlines to me. Pretty much everything I have read and the headlines to go with have talked about the assault and how risible it is that he has tried to deflect by coming out.

In fact, the very first article I read about it yesterday was in the New York Times and it mentioned NOTHING in its headline or the first two thirds of the article about him coming out. Nothing at all. The last paragraph then dealt with his official statement. The first facts I knew on the story were that an actor that I recognised from Dazed and Confused endured Spacey making a pass at him with he was only 14. The incident was then detailed. THEN his statement was quoted.

I know the name of the actor he made a pass at, the details of the assault, that he came out and that generally, people are not fooled. If I gleaned all this, I doubt I'm the only one. He seems to be taking as much heat as Weinstein did from where I'm sitting.

Him coming out is not detracting from the account of Anthony Rapp. If anything, I think it is making people take more notice of his story. I certainly did.

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

Everyone else must be seeing different headlines to me. Pretty much everything I have read and the headlines to go with have talked about the assault and how risible it is that he has tried to deflect by coming out.

In fact, the very first article I read about it yesterday was in the New York Times and it mentioned NOTHING in its headline or the first two thirds of the article about him coming out. Nothing at all. The last paragraph then dealt with his official statement. The first facts I knew on the story were that an actor that I recognised from Dazed and Confused endured Spacey making a pass at him with he was only 14. The incident was then detailed. THEN his statement was quoted.

I know the name of the actor he made a pass at, the details of the assault, that he came out and that generally, people are not fooled. If I gleaned all this, I doubt I'm the only one. He seems to be taking as much heat as Weinstein did from where I'm sitting.

Him coming out is not detracting from the account of Anthony Rapp. If anything, I think it is making people take more notice of his story. I certainly did.

I'd agree with that assessment, if anything there's widespread revulsion at how Spacey is trying to pettifog his assault on a young boy by making it about him, and his coming out, and his demons. Him, him, him.

I thought the actors reveal was very well articulated, very vivid, and painted Spacey in a light that no amount of PR spin is ever going to polish, and Spaceys subsequent statement only solidified the picture of a horrible human being.

Hande hoche!

eviltwin wrote: »

Are people more pissed off that a gay man managed to make a career in Hollywood, something that doesn't happen to anyone who is out? It shouldn't matter if someone is gay, straight etc but unfortunately, in some cases, it does. Sexuality is a personal thing, no one owes it to the community to come out if they don't want to.

Ian Mckellen seemed to have a fairly successful career.

Shurimgreat

tara73 wrote: »

did somebody post links here about the story to back this up? in all the posts might have missed it. can you point out the source for this? thanks.

Here's one link.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/29/rose-mcgowan-alleges-harvey-weinstein-tried-to-pay-her-1-million-in-hush-money.html

I read somewhere else about her being ready to accept payment but only changing her mind when she heard about the NYT article.

Her actions are questionable in my view. She was prepared to stay quiet when money was dangled on front of her. I'd applaud the courage of most Weinstein accusers but her I am not so sure. She had plenty of time to say something, but seemed to be holding out for a payoff.

Shurimgreat

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Her actions are questionable in my view. She was prepared to stay quiet when money was dangled on front of her. I'd applaud the courage of most Weinstein accusers but her I am not so sure. She had plenty of time to say something, but seemed to be holding out for a payoff.

Or possibly she realised that with the weight of numbers of others who'd suffered similarly, that there was strength in numbers and she might be listened to if she spoke out at this point.

Previously she might understandably have decided that taking some money to make her life easier was better than nothing, and no justice.

Two sides to every story and since I'm not inside her head and privy to all she's had to deal with since that animal assaulted her, I'm not going to sit in judgement of her. Sure it looks bad, but it might be explicable in the context of a rape victim who felt that she had fewer choices than she does now.

I hope she finds peace as well as justice.

Outlaw Pete

The original quote from Rose (regarding the so called 'hush money; offer) is taken from a recent interview she gave the New York Times:

In late September, just as multiple women were days away from going on the record with reports of Harvey Weinstein’s sexual misconduct, one of his alleged assault victims, Rose McGowan, considered an offer that suggested just how desperate the Hollywood producer had become.

Ms. McGowan, who was working on a memoir called “Brave,” had spoken privately over the years about a 1997 hotel room encounter with Mr. Weinstein and hinted at it publicly. Through her lawyer, she said, someone close to Mr. Weinstein offered her hush money: $1 million, in exchange for signing a nondisclosure agreement.

“I had all these people I’m paying telling me to take it so that I could fund my art,” Ms. McGowan said in an interview. She responded by asking for $6 million, part counteroffer, part slow torture of her former tormentor, she said. “I figured I could probably have gotten him up to three,” she said. “But I was like — ew, gross, you’re disgusting, I don’t want your money, that would make me feel disgusting.”

She said she told her lawyer to pull the offer within a day of The New York Times publishing an article that detailed decades of Mr. Weinstein’s alleged sexual harassment, aggression and misconduct toward women, as well as at least seven other settlements he had reached with accusers. After that, the dam burst, with The New Yorker, The Times and other news outlets reporting on dozens of other women’s experiences with Mr. Weinstein.

A Weinstein spokeswoman, Sallie Hofmeister, said that “Mr. Weinstein unequivocally denies any allegations of nonconsensual sex.” Ms. McGowan’s lawyer, Paul Coggins, confirmed that Ms. McGowan received the offer.

Her story of assault, although uniquely her own, shares some of the now familiar hallmarks of a Weinstein encounter. Ms. McGowan, then 23, was in Park City, Utah, in early 1997 to attend the Sundance Film Festival and the screening of a film in which she appeared, “Going All the Way.” She had also recently appeared as a smart-mouthed beauty who dies a gruesome death in the blockbuster film “Scream,” on which Mr. Weinstein was an executive producer.

Ms. McGowan’s manager then, Jill Messick, told her to meet Mr. Weinstein at the restaurant in the Stein Eriksen Lodge for a 10 a.m. appointment. On her arrival, the maître d’ directed the actress upstairs to Mr. Weinstein’s suite, she said. Ms. McGowan remembers passing two male assistants on the way in. “They wouldn’t look me in the eye,” she recalled.

She sat at the far end of a couch as Mr. Weinstein sat in a club chair, and they had a brief business meeting. But on their way out, she said, he interrupted himself to point out that the hotel room had a hot tub. “And then what happened, happened,” said Ms. McGowan, who has described her experience, on Twitter, as rape. “Suffice it to say a door opened and my life changed.”

The_Kew_Tour

Asus X540L wrote: »

I'd imagine it was flaming.

And since when do you ask for ID at an adult gay party?

Anthony Rapp should be ashamed of himself coming out with this now.

He wasn't even sexually assaulted anyway just hit on by a man who probably had no idea of his age

Ah here.

Seriously he was 14 years of age. A young man should not have to endure a assault from a scrum bag like Spacey.

Edit he was not even a man. He was a child

retro:electro

Drumpot wrote: »

You are “not having a go at either” and then have a go at them again?!

You are choosing to focus on the reactions on the victims. You speak from an ideal world scenario where you have Zero insight into these peoples lives of how they chose to deal With the. Abuse.. They want to be financially compensated for their troubles. In the absence of justice or wanting to go public who are you to question their motives?

It’s easy to philosophically write a post on what is subjectively right or wrong behavior for victims of abuse. Not every abuse victim reacts the same way and I don’t think it’s surprising that celebrity’s , who live in their own bubble, react in such an alien way to normal people...

I don’t condone McGowan taking money to lie about Weinstein.
Perhaps she felt it was an extra payoff for the suffering or perhaps it’s a bonus in her mind given how Hollywood thinks this sort of sexual behavioir is acceptable. It’s an easy trap to fall into, focusing on the victims mistakes or misguided actions , that can derail discussions on the entire toxic culture that exists in that part of the world...

But at the end of the day they are victims of abuse... It is easy to imagine that the abuse and culture they grew up in would warp what they think is normal.
Normalize the abnormal.

Some may argue that accepting hush money from your abuser is playing a part in perpetuating the toxic culture which you speak of. That is what normalises the abnormal.

Harry Palmr

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Ian Mckellen seemed to have a fairly successful career.

Being gay in British arts culture is not an issue. Hell, it's nearly encouraged! :pac: In Hollywood though it's like being gay in professional sport. Certainly no American A list male has come out while in the midst of their career as far as I know.

BillyBobBS

Why hasn't Spacey been arrested on suspicion of attempting to abuse a child?

AllForIt

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Why hasn't Spacey been arrested on suspicion of attempting to abuse a child?

Why hasn't his accuser reported him to the police instead of tweeting about it.

Asus X540L

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ah here.

Seriously he was 14 years of age. A young man should not have to endure a assault from a scrum bag like Spacey.

Edit he was not even a man. He was a child

A child who chose willingly to hit some party that he knew was full of booze, drugs, and gays.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Meanwhile, the number of women who have accused former President George Bush Senior of groping them now stands at 5:

The number of women accusing former President George H.W. Bush of groping them has grown to five, with two of them saying he did so during photo shoots in Maine.

The women include two actresses, a Pennsylvania journalist, a best-selling author raised in Bangor and a former Maine Senate candidate.

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/27/fourth-woman-says-president-george-h-w-bush-groped-her-in-photo-shoot/

Maybe he picked up some bad habits when he was in the Skull and Bones society back in his Yale days. That's the rich kids club where you must lie in a coffin naked reciting your entire sexual history while the other members masturbate to it.
Nothing weird or perverted about that at all... :eek:

America's self appointed Grand master of morality, Stephen Colbert had some eyebrow raising comments on the whole matter:

“Oh come on, not him. He’s the Bush we like!” Colbert joked. “He’s a 93-year-old grandpa who’s been married to the same woman for 72 years! What is that? That’s the uranium anniversary.”
“He’s a very nice guy, I’ve met him, he’s lovely,” Colbert said of the 41st president. “We like H.W., don’t we?” he asked his audience. “We don’t want to hear this stuff.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-doesnt-want-to-believe-bush-sr-gropes-women-oh-come-on-not-him

And therein lies the problem, Stephen. People like you DON'T want to hear this stuff. Especially when it's your buddies doing it. And you'll take it a step further and actively cover up sexual harassment when it suits you.

This is a textbook case of an enabler playing down sexual abuse. The same guy who milked the allegations about Trump is suddenly making excuses...

twinytwo

The thing that gets me about Weinstein(And others like him)... having done this for 20 years or whatever... not one "man" in hollywood in all that time ever kicked his ass.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

twinytwo wrote: »

The thing that gets me about Weinstein(And others like him)... having done this for 20 years or whatever... not one "man" in hollywood in all that time ever kicked his ass.

I'll put it to you like this. Imagine John Gilligan in his prime, but instead of drugs he was involved in movies. But the underworld connections and muscle were very much still a phone call away. And pretty much every cop in Hollywood was in his pocket. That means they could plant drugs or child pornography on you at any time. Or cook up some story to have your family destroyed.


Would you still stand up to him?

B.A._Baracus

Doesn't matter what Spacey did at this point...
As let's be honest, no criminal charges will be brought against him, sure he might get blackballed now but he is already a multi millionaire.

But even then.. Even if he gets black balled he could still be a money man behind TV or film productions. You'll never hear about it of course.

Hollywood is one sick town.

twinytwo

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

I'll put it to you like this. Imagine John Gilligan in his prime, but instead of drugs he was involved in movies. But the underworld connections and muscle were very much still a phone call away. And pretty much every cop in Hollywood was in his pocket. That means they could plant drugs or child pornography on you at any time. Or cook up some story to have your family destroyed.


Would you still stand up to him?

Yes

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Meanwhile, the number of women who have accused former President George Bush Senior of groping them now stands at 5:



http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/27/fourth-woman-says-president-george-h-w-bush-groped-her-in-photo-shoot/

Maybe he picked up some bad habits when he was in the Skull and Bones society back in his Yale days. That's the rich kids club where you must lie in a coffin naked reciting your entire sexual history while the other members masturbate to it.
Nothing weird or perverted about that at all... :eek:

America's self appointed Grand master of morality, Stephen Colbert had some eyebrow raising comments on the whole matter:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-doesnt-want-to-believe-bush-sr-gropes-women-oh-come-on-not-him

And therein lies the problem, Stephen. People like you DON'T want to hear this stuff. Especially when it's your buddies doing it. And you'll take it a step further and actively cover up sexual harassment when it suits you.

This is a textbook case of an enabler playing down sexual abuse. The same guy who milked the allegations about Trump is suddenly making excuses...

I'm pretty sure you're massively missing Colbert's point.

Hamlet.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Doesn't matter what Spacey did at this point...
As let's be honest, no criminal charges will be brought against him, sure he might get blackballed now but he is already a multi millionaire.

But even then.. Even if he gets black balled he could still be a money man behind TV or film productions. You'll never hear about it of course.

Hollywood is one sick town.

Hopefully not, as he's a brilliant artist.

nacho libre

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you're massively missing Colbert's point.

That society tend to enable abusers they like ? While out of the same mouth condemning others they dislike for the same crimes?

alchemist33

Asus X540L wrote: »

A child who chose willingly to hit some party that he knew was full of booze, drugs, and gays.

You seem to know an awful lot about this party

nacho libre

nacho libre wrote: »

That society tend to enable abusers they like ? While out of the same mouth condemning others they dislike for the same crimes?

Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

Sonics2k

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Being gay in British arts culture is not an issue. Hell, it's nearly encouraged! :pac: In Hollywood though it's like being gay in professional sport. Certainly no American A list male has come out while in the midst of their career as far as I know.

Zachary Quinto, Wentworth Miller, Neil Patrick Harris, Luke Evans, Sarah Paulson, Ellen Page, and I suppose Jim Parsons can count as A-List.

That's a few off the top of my head.

Hande hoche!

Sonics2k wrote: »

Zachary Quinto, Wentworth Miller, Neil Patrick Harris, Luke Evans, Sarah Paulson, Ellen Page, and I suppose Jim Parsons can count as A-List.

That's a few off the top of my head.

Complete aside, I had no idea Luke Evans was gay.

JP Liz V1

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Complete aside, I had no idea Luke Evans was gay.

Me either but still fancy him

Matt Bomer out and proud and his career on the up

eviltwin

Sonics2k wrote: »

Zachary Quinto, Wentworth Miller, Neil Patrick Harris, Luke Evans, Sarah Paulson, Ellen Page, and I suppose Jim Parsons can count as A-List.

That's a few off the top of my head.

Hardly A list, Spacey would never have won the roles that won him Oscars if he had been openly gay. It wasn't the accepted thing in the 90's and possibly not today either. There was the story recently of Matt Bomer being passed over for the Superman role because he's gay. There is still a way to go.

eviltwin

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Me either but still fancy him

Matt Bomer out and proud and his career on the up

Yeah but Spaceys heyday was 20 yrs ago, the attitude was completely different then.

Harry Palmr

Sonics2k wrote: »

Zachary Quinto, Wentworth Miller, Neil Patrick Harris, Luke Evans, Sarah Paulson, Ellen Page, and I suppose Jim Parsons can count as A-List.

That's a few off the top of my head.

I said A list, not merely acting in popular programmes and films - you know someone who's name is above the title and can open a film on their own.

Luke Evans is Welsh so obviously doesn't count anyway - if you are foreign and gay that's fine - you're now a bit exotic if you're American you gotta be "straight" to hit the real movie star type heights. Oh yeah one of that list is Doogie Howser MD!

Asus X540L

alchemist33 wrote: »

You seem to know an awful lot about this party

Don't think there was ever a party full of young actors that didn't have those things.

brooke 2

HandsomeBob wrote: »

It would be a risky game for him to play as it's based on an assumption that no-one else will come forward.

His statement just seemed strange in general. Panic written all over it.

Well, there is a lot to come out. (no pun intended! ) Guess that is why HOC are finishing with him. Anybody who knows anything about Spacey knows what he is really like. It's a mystery how he has gotten away with it for so long.

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silverharp wrote: »

do you think, if it had been about a 14 year old girl we would have got the Harvey treatment. As it was the press focused on his coming out until it was pointed out that that wasn't the takeaway.

The mainstream media supinely accepted Spacey's PR version - it was the social media backlash re his conflating the accusation of paedophilia with his coming out as a gay man which has caused outrage.

enfant terrible

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

America's self appointed Grand master of morality, Stephen Colbert had some eyebrow raising comments on the whole matter:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-doesnt-want-to-believe-bush-sr-gropes-women-oh-come-on-not-him

And therein lies the problem, Stephen. People like you DON'T want to hear this stuff. Especially when it's your buddies doing it. And you'll take it a step further and actively cover up sexual harassment when it suits you.

This is a textbook case of an enabler playing down sexual abuse. The same guy who milked the allegations about Trump is suddenly making excuses...

Colbert mainly ridicules republicans and conservatives, so here he was been sarcastic.

If he was defending Bill Clinton, he probably would have been serious.

Outlaw Pete

Spacey groped Tony Montana.... who now claims he has PTSD as a result.

RabbleRouser2k

eviltwin wrote: »

Hardly A list, Spacey would never have won the roles that won him Oscars if he had been openly gay. It wasn't the accepted thing in the 90's and possibly not today either. There was the story recently of Matt Bomer being passed over for the Superman role because he's gay. There is still a way to go.

Sadly, yes. McKellen outed himself in '88 or so, during Maggie Thatcher's reign. There was, for a long time, a question as to whether he could play straight or not. Films like The Ballad of Little Jo showed he could. But he was never a major star, at least not until he was nearly 60 and had made Gods and Monsters, playing an openly gay character. And getting an Oscar nod.

Even in the early 00's, Bomer was suspected of being gay-he wasn't out, but he wasn't going to be cast as Superman either. He did go on to play Superman in an animated movie, however.

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Complete aside, I had no idea Luke Evans was gay.

Evans came out of the closet very early in his career, then 'went back into the closet'-claiming to have a girlfriend, and that he was straight. Then he came out again.
I'm seeing a very similar thing with Ezra Miller-who's playing Flash in the Justice League film. (A movie I don't care for). He outed himself as either gay, then the indistinct term 'queer'-and then he seemingly went back into the closet.
Now I don't know what he's claiming-though he's also a massive stoner from what I can see. So who knows what he spouted while high.

Speaking of 'an Open Secret' Andy Dick is a notorious groper and sex fiend. He would grope women, whip out his penis and try to rub it on your face (male or female), and grab guys by the packages (he's bi-wonder if he will use it as a defense)-he had no idea of personal space, forcing his hands inside of people's clothing to fondle them. Yet he gets support from 'Trump bashers' like Judd Apatow-even having him play himself, and mock his history in one of Apatow's shows.

Well, finally someone had enough-and fired him after he sexually harassed crew members.
But this guy has groped and assaulted girls under the age of 18. And constantly gets allowed onto projects and shows.
Hell, he didn't even care when he was kicked off of Jimmy Kimmel's show. He tried to grope Ivanka Trump.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/31/16583374/andy-dick-sexual-harassment-allegations-history

Accusations are flying around about Jeremy Piven now too-claiming he groped a playboy playmate.

JupiterKid

It's possible for younger A list actors in Hollywood to come out now, but it certainly wasn't possible 20 years or more ago. But that doesn't excuse the fact that quite a few major, middle aged, established actors are still hiding in the closet. It's all about the money - that's the bottom line in grubby Hollywood, and if coming out is seen to hurt your bankability at the box office you are pressured to stay in the closet. Look how long it took Jodie Foster to come out.

And then Hollywood moralises and preaches about equality and LGBT rights. Give me a break! Utter hypocrites.

But it's not just about gay and lesbian actors. The Weinstein revelations show very clearly just how women are treated by the Hollywood system. Utterly revolting. Again, rank hypocrisy. Also all their talk about saving the environment when they zip around the world in private jets and are ferried around in gas guzzling limousines with a carbon footprint the size of a small city. And they take us, the movie going plebs, as complete fools.

But no longer. I think the dam on Hollywood dirt is finally beginning to crumble and the Internet has played a key part in this. The average Joe and Jane Soap now has access to infornation that was unheard of when the official media called all the shots. At this stage, much more is to come.

As for Spacey, the incident with Rapp back in the 1980s is far from isolated. It's been alleged that he is a sexual predator of dozens of young men and boys and this went on for decades. Vile individual.

The whole Hollywood edifice of vice and abuse needs to come crashing down. The cesspit needs to be purged.

padser

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Its possible Rose McGowan could spend more time in prison than Weinstein!

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1031/916377-rose-mcgowan/

The US is a daft country where anything goes.

Any trial of Weinstein will involve his lawyers cross examining victims and dragging them through the mud. Its unlikely he will spend a day in prison.

Good point.

Obviously once a woman alleges she has been sexually assaulted that should give her immunity from drugs charges.

Those two things are completely linked. Sure don't we know, drugs laws are a real barrier to women speaking out about sexual abuse.

RabbleRouser2k

I must say, Matt Lauer doesn't come across too well in this. As Feldman notes, he told the police who the abusers were-they were only interested in Michael Jackson as a suspect.
Seemed Lauer had his mind made up before ever Feldman spoke.

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It seems Twitter is inadvertently giving away who the #irishweinstein is with a suggested search!

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Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

And therein lies the problem, Stephen. People like you DON'T want to hear this stuff. Especially when it's your buddies doing it. And you'll take it a step further and actively cover up sexual harassment when it suits you.

This is a textbook case of an enabler playing down sexual abuse. The same guy who milked the allegations about Trump is suddenly making excuses...

In the video he's clearly being sarcastic and joking. Unless you think Stephen Colbert is also calling for the cover up of sexual assaults by Papa Smurf and Colonel Sanders?

Do you think Stephen Colbert is enabling sexual assault from him buddies Papa Smurf and Colonel Sanders? Do you think Stephen Colbert is covering up for a basket ball playing dog that asks his assistant to come to the trailer and as Stephen put it, "Check for ticks, if you know what I mean."

I'm guessing you didn't even watch the video. :pac: