Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Hande hoche!

Seems like Pete was correct when he mentioned Ratner. Half a dozen women have come forward.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

optogirl wrote: »

a gay party?

Parties that are attracted to other parties maybe?

I see Netflix has now suspended production of HOC.

So I would imagine that a lot of the rumours that the dogs on the street have heard about Spacey are about to start getting mainstream coverage or someone's going to press charges.

midlandsmissus

Love, love, love that all the bully boys I've met over the years in Ireland might even be quaking in their shoes that I now might report them.

The tide is turning my friends, the light is being shone on sexual abuse everywhere.

Women are becoming more powerful.

JP Liz V1

http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/01/dustin-hoffman-anna-graham-hunter-sexual-harassment-accusation/

Dustin next named

beans

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Love, love, love that all the bully boys I've met over the years in Ireland might even be quaking in their shoes that I now might report them.

The tide is turning my friends, the light is being shone on sexual abuse everywhere.

Women are becoming more powerful.

If you know of abuses, the moral thing would have been to come forward and make your allegations before now. You might report them? Now that you're becoming more powerful? Please.

DavidLyons_

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Love, love, love that all the bully boys I've met over the years in Ireland might even be quaking in their shoes that I now might report them.

The tide is turning my friends, the light is being shone on sexual abuse everywhere.

Women are becoming more powerful.

If they'd done something for which they should be legitimately reported for, get on with it. If not, your joy that a perceived slight against you may cause another person distress says more about you than it does them.

RabbleRouser2k

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I must say, Matt Lauer doesn't come across too well in this. As Feldman notes, he told the police who the abusers were-they were only interested in Michael Jackson as a suspect.
Seemed Lauer had his mind made up before ever Feldman spoke.

I never liked Matt Lauer. Met him once years ago and he was a bit of an arrogant prick.

midlandsmissus

beans wrote: »

If you know of abuses, the moral thing would have been to come forward and make your allegations before now. You might report them? Now that you're becoming more powerful? Please.

What the hell would you know. Moral thing please.
Multiple women have accused Harvey weinstein, james toback , and now director Brett Ratner. They didnt charge these people at the time. It is now that they feel able to speak.
Sexual abuse is the most degrading and demeaning thing thar can happen to you. It reduces you physically, mentally and emotionally.
The majority of people do not feel able or powerful enough to charge their sexual abusers. Maybe read ALL the studies that back this up before you comment on something you know nothing about.
There is , however, great power in voices. And finally, with everyone else speaking up of the abuses they have sufferd, I feel less alone, And less like these people got away with taking part of me.

midlandsmissus

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

If they'd done something for which they should be legitimately reported for, get on with it. If not, your joy that a perceived slight against you may cause another person distress says more about you than it does them.

I love that you say that to a person that was raped. I hope you sleep well tonight!

beans

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What the hell would you know. Moral thing please.
Multiple women have accused Harvey weinstein, james toback , and now director (Brett Ratner). They didnt charge these people at the time. It is now that they feel able to speak.
Sexual abuse is the most degrading and demeaning thing thar can happen to you. It reduces you physically, mentally and emotionally.
The majority of people do not feel able or powerful enough to charge their sexual abusers. Maybe read ALL the studies that back this up before you comment on something you know nothing about.
There is , however, great power in voices. And finally, with everyone else speaking up of the abuses they have sufferd, I feel less alone, And less like these people got away with taking part of me.

Fair enough. I hope you find what you're seeking.

DavidLyons_

midlandsmissus wrote: »

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

If they'd done something for which they should be legitimately reported for, get on with it. If not, your joy that a perceived slight against you may cause another person distress says more about you than it does them.

I love that you say that to a person that was raped. I hope you sleep well tonight!

Nowhere in your post did you indicate that you were a victim of rape - it was just a gleeful, bitter remark to me, so how could I know? Or even if I did, this is an internet message board, so really have only got your one-upmanship word for it.

I do know some real victims of rape in person. Wonderful people, if one or two are understandably slightly damaged by their experiences.

You seem different and therefore I will not engage any further with you.

midlandsmissus

One day I will charge the man that sexually assaulted me (the worst). I'm making that promise to myself now.

Shurimgreat

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/01/dustin-hoffman-anna-graham-hunter-sexual-harassment-accusation/

Dustin next named

This could be interesting. Was this girl a one off or did he do it to others? He comes across as a complete creep. I guess it was pre internet in those days and rumours etc didn't travel around as fast.

They are beginning to fall like dominoes now.

Rjd2

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Seems like Pete was correct when he mentioned Ratner. Half a dozen women have come forward.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html

from that article...

Wtf did these people talk about when together?

For years, he palled around with Robert Evans, the slick-haired former production chief at Paramount Pictures who was later convicted of trafficking cocaine, and Toback, who, as The Times reported last month, has been accused of sexual misconduct by more than 300 women. In a January interview with Variety, Ratner said Evans, Toback and Roman Polanski, who was convicted of having unlawful sex with a minor in 1977, were among his “closest friends.

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The_Kew_Tour

midlandsmissus wrote: »

One day I will charge the man that sexually assaulted me (the worst). I'm making that promise to myself now.

Tomorrow never comes.

Do it now. Not some day next week, or month, or year.

What happened you should not happen to you or any woman or man.

Drumpot

anna080 wrote: »

Some may argue that accepting hush money from your abuser is playing a part in perpetuating the toxic culture which you speak of. That is what normalises the abnormal.

That’s actually the system that facilitates it. The mere fact that it’s accepted that a rapist or paedophile can legally pay off a victim says it all about a culture... This is another example of people focusing on the victims decisions then the culture that facilitated and rewards these decisions.

If my job is acting and I am abused by a very powerful person in the acting world what’s my best option? Goto police and look for justice or getting compensated?

If I look for righteous justice, my abuser can employ the best lawyers and if I lose (which is a strong possibility) I will never work in Hollywood again. Or I can get financial compensation and still work in an industry that supported this sort of abuse....

These people were raped/abused and took choices they felt were the best available to them.

It’s easy for people to come on a forum , judge and announce what is a more appropriate response.... It’s a huge part of the online culture where people can take strong idealistic standpoints on issues they can forget when they log off.

JP Liz V1

midlandsmissus wrote: »

One day I will charge the man that sexually assaulted me (the worst). I'm making that promise to myself now.

I hope you find the courage to report them, stay strong and take care

Mr.Wemmick

Shurimgreat wrote: »

This could be interesting. Was this girl a one off or did he do it to others? He comes across as a complete creep. I guess it was pre internet in those days and rumours etc didn't travel around as fast.

They are beginning to fall like dominoes now.

I remember an interview with a young Hoffman back in the day on a documentary (possibly parkinson remembers type show) where H joked about all the girls he bedded in the 70s. If I remember it correctly, he told a story of girl fans gathered outside his apartment and he got them sent up one at a time. Everyone laughed, which I thought was weird at the time..

I am glad this casual cruel behaviour and mistreatment of young adults, teens and kids is coming to light and being brought out in the open.

Am sure there are many creeps and predators in show business hiding and hoping this all goes away.. but no, we are on a roll. Hope they all get exposed, whoever they are.

blinding

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Love, love, love that all the bully boys I've met over the years in Ireland might even be quaking in their shoes that I now might report them.

The tide is turning my friends, the light is being shone on sexual abuse everywhere.

Women are becoming more powerful.

Thats fair enough but what if a woman or man accused me of something that I did not do . In the present climate how would I be able to clear my name .

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you're massively missing Colbert's point.

brainfreeze wrote: »

In the video he's clearly being sarcastic and joking. Unless you think Stephen Colbert is also calling for the cover up of sexual assaults by Papa Smurf and Colonel Sanders?

Do you think Stephen Colbert is enabling sexual assault from him buddies Papa Smurf and Colonel Sanders? Do you think Stephen Colbert is covering up for a basket ball playing dog that asks his assistant to come to the trailer and as Stephen put it, "Check for ticks, if you know what I mean."

I'm guessing you didn't even watch the video. :pac:

Give it a rest. Colbert was making light of the situation, comparing Bush to cuddly, harmless icons like Papa Smurf and Colonel Sanders. Not once did he express concern for the victims.
Although he did get in a snarky dig that one of the victims has since deleted her post.

Between this and Matt Lauer's treatment of Corey Feldman (which was an obvious hit piece if I ever saw one-try and discredit the victim), you can see why victims would be reluctant to come forward if this is the way they are going to be dismissed by the national media. And this from the supposedly 'tolerant' side. :rolleyes:

midlandsmissus

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I love that you say that to a person that was raped. I hope you sleep well tonight!

Horrible thing to throw at him.
You didnt say you were raped in your initial post .

You mentioned, bully boys that you met over the years, who might be quaking , that didnt come over that you were a rape victim.

I , too, hope you get the courage to report your rape. Im so sorry such a horrible thing happened to you.

jonon9

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Love, love, love that all the bully boys I've met over the years in Ireland might even be quaking in their shoes that I now might report them.

The tide is turning my friends, the light is being shone on sexual abuse everywhere.

Women are becoming more powerful.

Why the wait? If women are becoming powerful why not strike now while the fire is hot. How many more needs to come forward before you think its time.

Wibbs

Jake1 wrote: »

Horrible thing to throw at him.
You didnt say you were raped in your initial post.

Yeah classy alright. We're hardly psychic here.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Tomorrow never comes.

Do it now. Not some day next week, or month, or year.

What happened you should not happen to you or any woman or man.

This +1000. Never mind that if someone is raped by an individual, the same individual could well have other victims, even current and future victims. The longer someone like this might be out there, the more likely he will claim another victim.

tara73

isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?
you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!! And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on!

DavidLyons_

Sweeping generalisations and misandry abound.

I am a husband and a father to both a teenage and baby girl. I love and respect the women in my life (along with my son) more than any other humans in the planet. I want nothing but great things for them and to have them in my life and be part of theirs.

The above post from tara73 is complete, hateful bile.

Ipso

tara73 wrote: »

isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?
you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!! And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on!

This type of guff really doesn't help.

tara73

tara73 wrote: »

isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?
you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!! And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on!

First of all, don't presume you speak for me.

Secondly, this is every bit as extremist as the worst misogynist claiming that all or most women are gold-digging liars who make false accusations to ruin lives.

Don't insult the many lovely men in my life who are gentle kind souls who would never mistreat another person, male or female, and don't insult me by claiming I feel the same as you do.

retro:electro

[QUOTE=tara73;105143219]isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?
you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!! And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on![/QUOTE]




First of all- the first bit never happened. Maybe read the posts again.

Second bit- are you for real? What hysterical garbage. I'm a woman and you do not get to speak for me.

The third bit assumes you can speak for men too and happen to know their inner most thoughts. What a load of insulting bolloxology your post is, to every gender.

Inaccurate. Ill informed. Insulting. Hysterical.

strandroad

Time for Bryan Singer? Here's a metoo story by a named person. A thread of 14, not sure how to link it.

https://twitter.com/Justin_C_Smith/status/925642594935173120

jonon9

tara73 wrote: »

isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?
you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!! And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on!

Pure and utter bolloxology.

Wibbs

tara73 wrote: »

isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?

She brought it up. And in the typical let's drop a bomb way. Never mind the pack your bags I've got a ticket for your guilt trip stuff.

you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

Almost all men are disgraceful rapist scumbags. Right so, the mask has slipped and we can see your true opinions on the matter come out.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!!

LOUD NOISES! Ah well again the usual paranoid hollering shark! on a crowded Australian beach type stuff.

And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

Yeah we got it T; Almost all men are disgraceful rapist scumbags.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

Hahahahhaha. Oh wait, you're serious. Hell two can play at this silly game. Look around your abode and around your life. Pretty much everything you see and use was invented and made by those self same disgraceful rapist scumbags, including that "civil world" you speak of. As for 'emotionless', yep when present as an extreme it's not healthy, but even at the extreme it's far more useful than the other extreme of emotional diarrhoea.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on!

Actually all of this stuff you're typing could be summed up in the usual way by the Mantra of the The most Holy Church of the Blessed Third Wave feminist; women are always agentless victims and it's always men's fault. Never mind that in Western society the claim that pale skinned educated women are "oppressed" is up there with flat earthers as the very pinnacle of daft and deluded. But keep banging that drum.

Jesus this scumbag Weinstein and the other Hollywood fcukwits has really opened the doors to some of the real nasties. And nasty they are. Just like the "Red Pill/MGTOW" misogynists. Though unlike those muppets they get more sympathy and media airtime, but again like them they have a serious irony bypass. What's even more ironic is that Hollywood of all places is ground zero. Hollywood with it's near constant proselytising to the rest of us about being "right on", "liberal" and "feminist". Delicious is that irony indeed.

jonon9

Wibbs wrote: »

She brought it up. And in the typical let's drop a bomb way. Never mind the pack your bags I've got a ticket for your guilt trip stuff.

Almost all men are disgraceful rapist scumbags. Right so, the mask has slipped and we can see your true opinions on the matter come out.

LOUD NOISES! Ah well again the usual paranoid hollering shark! on a crowded Australian beach type stuff. Yeah we got it T; Almost all men are disgraceful rapist scumbags.

Hahahahhaha. Oh wait, you're serious. Hell two can play at this silly game. Look around your abode and around your life. Pretty much everything you see and use was invented and made by those self same disgraceful rapist scumbags, including that "civil world" you speak of. As for 'emotionless', yep when present as an extreme it's not healthy, but even at the extreme it's far more useful than the other extreme of emotional diarrhoea.

Actually all of this stuff you're typing could be summed up in the usual way by the Mantra of the The most Holy Church of the Blessed Third Wave feminist; women are always agentless victims and it's always men's fault. Never mind that in Western society the claim that pale skinned educated women are "oppressed" is up there with flat earthers as the very pinnacle of daft and deluded. But keep banging that drum.

Jesus this scumbag Weinstein and the other Hollywood fcukwits has really opened the doors to some of the real nasties. And nasty they are. Just like the "Red Pill/MGTOW" misogynists. Though unlike those muppets they get more sympathy and media airtime, but again like them they have a serious irony bypass. What's even more ironic is that Hollywood of all places is ground zero. Hollywood with it's near constant proselytising to the rest of us about being "right on", "liberal" and "feminist". Delicious is that irony indeed.

Now now Wibbs dont be upsetting or new Lord commanders like that

The_Kew_Tour

In fairness Candie post I think speaks for the very high majority of Women.

Tara post had touch of the Louise O Neill vibe type about it. 'Ye all White Men are Rapists except my lovely Dad and Brother and male friends but rest of ye are rapists types'.

Ok..

silverharp

tara73 wrote: »

isn't it symptomatic again some men here have nothing better to do than cornering the woman midlandsmissus who just said she will bring the bully to court who sexually assaulted her.

you are just so utterly pathetic. ask yourself, why do you feel the need to corner her and question her in this way?
you guys should better shut up. it's a disgrace for your gender and with the HW scandal and all the others which are floating in daily, it's out in open daylight and everybody can see now what the majority of mens' character is. we women knew this all the time because we have to deal with it everyday (at work, at home with domestic abuse, fear going out alone in the dark etc. and many more situations).
this evilness is in almost every men and you can all jump up and shout: OUTRAGEOUS DIFFAMATION. I wish it would be, but unfortunately it's not, it's the truth.

What happens in war zones or in cultures where are no civil laws to protect people, i.e the women like it is here in Europe?
Women can't dare to go out on the street alone because they are BEING RAPED!! And they are not being raped by the minority, no, if you abolish civil society, also the 'nice guys', who behave within a civil society because of fear of punishment through law will show their real side and start to rape.

The pathetic thing is, in this civil world, men are utterly frightened about women because deep inside they feel women have much more abilities than men, especially in our modern world, where male characteristics like being physically strong and 'emotionless' are not of much use anymore.
And the more they sense this, the more they need to oppress us women to keep the upper hand.

But you need to get used to that, we doesn't let ourselves be oppressed anymore, we get your perfidious games and we are not longer taking it. we stand up against this ****, more and more.
There you can bet on!

Japers if this was the 1920's youd be in the Legion of Mary banging on about original sin from a street corner

retro:electro

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

In fairness Candie post I think speaks for the very high majority of Women.

Tara post had touch of the Louise O Neill vibe type about it. 'Ye all White Men are Rapists except my lovely Dad and Brother and male friends but rest of ye are rapists types'.

Ok..

It was one of the most bizarre word vomits I've ever read. A generalisation around every turn. Building for a while, I'd say.

The_Kew_Tour

Anyway back to the sick evil Rape Monsters that are Harvey and Co.

Where is Harvey at present? I mean still not behind a cell is still a disgrace. Is he still getting help?(whatever that is)

retro:electro

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Anyway back to the sick evil Rape Monsters that are Harvey and Co.

Where is Harvey at present? I mean still not behind a cell is still a disgrace. Is he still getting help?(whatever that is)

He is currently being investigated by four different police departments. Should be arrested any day now.........

In other news, I read this today: https://pagesix.com/2017/10/21/woody-allens-new-movie-couldnt-have-worse-timing/amp/
Why would anyone in their right mind even work with this dude? Let alone in this movie!

Wibbs

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

In fairness Candie post I think speaks for the very high majority of Women.

That would certainly be my experience too.

Tara post had touch of the Louise O Neill vibe type about it. 'Ye all White Men are Rapists except my lovely Dad and Brother and male friends but rest of ye are rapists types'.

Well in that case I think the Irish Daddy Syndrome™ is in play. The Irish Mammy™ comes in for some awful stick(and often without cause, or at least the problem is the men in her life), but the Irish Daddy™ can be just as bad. Daddy is so perfect in some women's eyes that he can never be replaced and the majority of men can't ever match up to this image, so it comes out as disgruntlement or outright anger at Men© because they can never replace him. I recall reading an article by the above mentioned LON where she had some attack of the emotionals(over something that never actually happened) and got snippy with her mother, but daddy was there to comfort and support her. And missed the irony of that as a "feminist". Again. Then again I have found that it is a cast iron given for any stripe of extremist to have had an irony bypass.

silverharp wrote: »

Japers if this was the 1920's youd be in the Legion of Mary banging on about original sin from a street corner

Which goes to show how we are all a product of our time and culture and personal environment.

Wibbs

anna080 wrote: »

He is currently being investigated by four different police departments. Should be arrested any day now.........

Fingers crossed A.

In other news, I read this today: https://pagesix.com/2017/10/21/woody-allens-new-movie-couldnt-have-worse-timing/amp/
Why would anyone in their right mind even work with this dude? Let alone in this movie!

He's such an artiste daaahling or some such lovey bullsh1t A. Kate Winslet was interviewed before Hideous Harvey was flushed out where she avoided this very question about working with Allen. Of course. Yet is soooo supportive of #metoo and women hurt by Harvey. Hypocrisy again. Same with Streep and Polanski. She and many others have long supported that convicted drugger and rapist of a child. But that's excusable apparently... Art daaaahling.

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Wibbs wrote: »

Fingers crossed A.

He's such an artiste daaahling or some such lovey bullsh1t A. Kate Winslet was interviewed before Hideous Harvey was flushed out where she avoided this very question about working with Allen. Of course. Yet is soooo supportive of #metoo and women hurt by Harvey. Hypocrisy again. Same with Streep and Polanski. She and many others have long supported that convicted drugger and rapist of a child. But that's excusable apparently... Art daaaahling.

It's bizarre! It just goes to show that Hollywood has an extremely short memory where "art" i.e money is concerned. Before we know it Weinstein will be back making movies. His first plot will be about how a casting director seduces young inspiring actresses by inviting them to his room and pr!cking about in his bathrobe. He'll probably cast Spacey as the lead role and it'll win 5 Oscars.

Yea I'm being a drama queen I know. But sure look, who even knows at this bloody stage.

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Jesus step away from the thread for a couple hours and it takes the batshít train to crazy town. I would genuinely worry for anyone who literally thinks all men are rabid beasts just waiting for their chance. If it's as a response to trauma it makes sense but it's no way to live.

And yeah the Woody Allen thing would sicken you. People are usually quick to mention he was never convicted of anything against his daughter without mentioning the circumstances that led to that.

Wibbs

anna080 wrote: »

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Yea I'm being a drama queen I know. But sure look, who even knows at this bloody stage.

It wouldn't shock me that much A. Weinstein was the golden boy because he produced films that hit both gongs, they made big money and got "artistic" awards. He produced films that were art blockbusters. Off the top of my head I can't think of another producer/company like that in the history of Hollywood. Being that guy meant he could pretty much do no wrong as far as Hollywood was concerned. If he had been just an arty film guy, or a blockbuster "high concept" guy, I'd bet he would have been stopped/exposed long before now. I would even suggest he got exposed now because his star is on the wane. On that point I agree 100% with those women who were victimised by him back in the 90's when they say he was pretty much untouchable back then.

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Wibbs wrote: »

Fingers crossed A.

He's such an artiste daaahling or some such lovey bullsh1t A. Kate Winslet was interviewed before Hideous Harvey was flushed out where she avoided this very question about working with Allen. Of course. Yet is soooo supportive of #metoo and women hurt by Harvey. Hypocrisy again. Same with Streep and Polanski. She and many others have long supported that convicted drugger and rapist of a child. But that's excusable apparently... Art daaaahling.

Winslet's attitude basically seemed to boil down to fcuk Weinstein because he was personally rude to her, the Allen stuff is none of her bidness because he's a nice guy and a good director.

Weinstein seems to be an all round arsehole as well as a predator, sadly I'd say that's a lot to do with why so many people are lining up to throw him in particular under the bus. Allen and Polanski just stick to the sexual abuse.

Ipso

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

Jesus step away from the thread for a couple hours and it takes the batshít train to crazy town. I would genuinely worry for anyone who literally thinks all men are rabid beasts just waiting for their chance. If it's as a response to trauma it makes sense but it's no way to live.

And yeah the Woody Allen thing would sicken you. People are usually quick to mention he was never convicted of anything against his daughter without mentioning the circumstances that led to that.

It's not a million miles away from the thinking of those who practice hard core Islam that think wimmin need to be covered up, lest they tempt the men.

RabbleRouser2k

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/01/dustin-hoffman-anna-graham-hunter-sexual-harassment-accusation/

Dustin next named

https://twitter.com/UncleDaidi/status/924434028022857729

Someone being 'funny' a few days ago-seems almost prophetic. (I remember Dustin the Turkey used to go by the name 'Hoffman' or 'Houghman' too, on his early Den days.)

Rjd2 wrote: »

from that article...

Wtf did these people talk about when together?

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Robert Evans has been open about the cocaine thing-it's even in his documentary 'The Kid stays in the picture'-by his own admission, he screwed up. It's painfully honest, tbh-only about his life tho.
His dealings with Polanski were before the rape trial, and afterwards-he never worked with him again. (Rosemary's baby and Chinatown were the only two movies).

Ratner is a dirtbag, with zero directing talent, but his production company, Ratpac productions, have produced many films-including Creed and the Revenant. He's got serious power, so him getting called out is probably on a bigger scale than Weinstein (in terms of power). WB have severed their contract with him too...probably in light of the Justice League film, which his company is producing.
Honestly, is there ANYONE involved with the JL movie who hasn't been accused of sexual harassment, and groping? (Affleck, Whedon, and now Ratner).

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/brett-ratner-says-hell-step-away-warner-bros-harassment-claims-1054025

anna080 wrote: »

He is currently being investigated by four different police departments. Should be arrested any day now.........

In other news, I read this today: https://pagesix.com/2017/10/21/woody-allens-new-movie-couldnt-have-worse-timing/amp/
Why would anyone in their right mind even work with this dude? Let alone in this movie!

This is sorta getting my goat up-there's an lgbt movie out now called Call Me by Your Name-it's about the beginning of a romance between a 17 year old boy and an older man-and it may very well get Oscars and other awards, as it's getting a lot of praise.
Yet current headlines about 'An older man grooming younger men' is showing how sinister it actually is.
(And when people, rightfully, I feel, called out the creepiness of it-they were 'in the wrong'. Accusations of homophobia and so on. Also, a scene in the film, and behind the scenes goings on sound really creepy.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4961620/Armie-Hammer-defends-relationship-Call-Name.html

Now there's a similar movie in the pipeline-by Woody Allen. And it's not even out yet, and the defenders of the first film are denouncing this one. Neither is right, but one deferred blame, the other is told it's wrong.

And the more stories I read about Spacey and his grooming of underage boys (another has come forward)-the less I am inclined to see the 'romance'.

RabbleRouser2k

More details about Ratner, sorry for the multiple post-but according to description-the guys another Weinstein, with rape accusations among them. (Oral rape, but more stories will emerge, some women are still rumoured to be scared to speak up).

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html

HandsomeBob

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

More details about Ratner, sorry for the multiple post-but according to description-the guys another Weinstein, with rape accusations among them. (Oral rape, but more stories will emerge, some women are still rumoured to be scared to speak up).

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html

Wouldn't be surprised if people are still fearful of Ratner as his production company seems to be increasingly present at the beginning of films. He's getting bigger, not smaller.

I think it's a similar deal with Singer. Still well connected and prominent in Hollywood. You can tell Singer is a clever and calculated individual anyway who has been around the Ferris wheel on this before. While others have released panicked statements, he's staying quiet. It's going to take more than someone unknown on Twitter to truly drop his mask.

RabbleRouser2k

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if people are still fearful of Ratner as his production company seems to be increasingly present at the beginning of films. He's getting bigger, not smaller.

I think it's a similar deal with Singer. Still well connected and prominent in Hollywood. You can tell Singer is a clever and calculated individual anyway who has been around the Ferris wheel on this before. While others have released panicked statements, he's staying quiet. It's going to take more than someone unknown on Twitter to truly drop his mask.

Yeah, you could argue that-but then it only takes one voice, one accusation to topple a career. When even Spacey's masterclass was dropped from an online institute-it showed a clear indication that this was not gonna blow over, no matter the media folks he'd paid off.

Singer I would argue is threading on thin water-and he knows his days are numbered. An actor he's worked with on two high profile projects(The Usual Suspects, Superman Returns) has been unmasked as a sexual predator, as well as a groomer of young boys (An individual who was 16 when Spacemonster tried it on has also come forward). As have a number of his close associates-who have been convicted for such.
Bryan's also has already had one accusation brought against him-during promotion of X-men Days of Future Past. He no doubt was given a warning then, the likes of which even a parking ticket would have led to trouble. Notable was how nobody came forward to defend him.
Intriguingly, Ratner also hired Singer's lawyer-Marty Ringer.

HandsomeBob

Just saw Ratner has been made walk from Warner Bros so I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

I'm aware of the trouble Singer had during Days of Future Past so I know he's survived this before. It could be a matter of time for him as well, but I do feel more need to speak up against him, as in the people who worked with him.

Your man Martin Singer seems like an awkward fcuker who would dispute the colour of the sky.

JupiterKid

So the net of sexual abuse allegations seems to be getting wider and wider. I really think the Weinstein revelations are the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to Hollywood. Well overdue too.

As an aside, I was deeply disgusted at some of the shockingly misandrist rants of a couple of posters earlier in this thread. Why can't we acknowledge that abuse and harassment is widespread and do what we can to speak out and call out abuse when we see it - and support the victims? But let's face it - someone groped in a bar is not in the same league as someone who has been brutally raped. And young men and boys as well as women and girls have been the victims of sexual abuse. Lets not lose a sense of perspective here.

To allege that all men are potential rapists is not just disingenuous but it downright offensive and insulting and has no place on this thread.