Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

blinding

JupiterKid wrote: »

I have to say, I like an awful lot of what Camille Paglia opines on. She speaks the voice of common sense, and calls out misandrist rabid men-belittling "feminism" when she sees it.

Men and women should be equals and work together for a better world, not be locked into a vicious cycle of gender wars that ultimately benefit no-one.

The hyper- feminists see this as a win win for them . Perhaps something to do with hetro-sexual intercourse itself...yaday yada yada

cantdecide

seamus wrote: »

Whereas in women it's more likely to manifest as social violence - manipulation of others, "histrionics", bullying, etc.

I'm currently unemployed having been bullied out of a trainee job by my female "mentor". I happened to be the first man to have been given this role ever. This lady stayed on until *9.30pm on the Friday evening before I was let go to forge the training documents she should have been going through with me all summer.

All of the above traits describe what I faced all summer and I can tell you, you'd never suspect this little doe-eyed lady for a second.

The only satisfaction was getting to tell the HR people on my dismissal that 'my last job was as a QC trainer. I was hired as a trainee and I was no more than half trained in any task I was given responsibility for and my frequent requests for assistance were ignored all summer'. I knew it had an impact, not that it's much consolation to me now.

*[I arrived at 10.30 after college after forgetting something and security told me she was not long gone - there was half a ream of retrospectively dated documents for me to sign.]

tara73

tara73 wrote: »

hahaha, again a proof of the sick and so primitive view of a men about a woman with their own views, opinion and experiences who's not holding back with it. automatically insinuating I'm a monster mother. that's just textbook attitude from the 1950's again. It tells you don't understand anything at all and have no insight at all.

I tell you something what you most probably won't be able to imagine in your small minded world from the 50s' but I tell it to you nevertheless: There are many intelligent women around you and all over the world who fight for their rights and real equality, but that doesn't mean that we mistreat our sons. What an utter nonsense to think. Thing is, we make no big deal if it's a son or a daughter, I treat them equally. Get it?

puuh, knew it, all the bollockism comes out now, but that's good also, proves my points.

You're preaching hate. You're no better than a white supremacist teaching their child to hate another race. That's why I hope you don't have a son.

Shurimgreat

I think Kevin Myers would be having a field day if he was still writing given the background of all the accused in Hollywood at the moment. All of them seem to come from the same background and many if not all were friends with each other. Is there a sexual abuse ring in Hollywood similar to the one in places like Rochdale in England?

Ken.

Mod-Tara73 do not post in this thread again. Reason-Trolling(I hope)

Shurimgreat

Another complaint about Dustin Hoffman's behaviour. Coming across as a bit of a sleazeball now if nothing else, using his position to try to score with women.

suicide_circus

Shurimgreat wrote: »

using his position to try to score with women.

What???! An unheard of practice!

Un1corn

The way things are going I am starting to think I am a rapist for simply wanting to have sex with women.

cantdecide

Un1corn wrote: »

The way things are going I am starting to think I am a rapist for simply wanting to have sex with women.

You should talk to your priest or your doctor.

The Nal

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Another complaint about Dustin Hoffman's behaviour. Coming across as a bit of a sleazeball now if nothing else, using his position to try to score with women.

So he might have tried to score some woman over 25 years ago. Didn't touch her, didn't use bad language.

What a monster!

Odhinn

The Nal wrote: »

So he might have tried to score some woman over 25 years ago. Didn't touch her, didn't use bad language.

What a monster!

Other than the setting, it's hard to see what the complaint is about at this stage.

Shurimgreat

The Nal wrote: »

So he might have tried to score some woman over 25 years ago. Didn't touch her, didn't use bad language.

What a monster!

I suppose it was the directness of his approach that stands out.

Pretense of an interest in her project, but once they meet up, cuts to the chase and really is only interested in sex. Not illegal, bit of a grey area, but he's rightly been called out as someone bordering on if not actually a predator. There was no asking her for a date, dinner, etc. It was a case of lets go to my hotel.

As we have learned so far, its unlikely to be an isolated incident. I'd expect floodgates to open and more women to come forward.

RocketRaccoon

Odhinn wrote: »

Other than the setting, it's hard to see what the complaint is about at this stage.

Attention.

Mr.Wemmick

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I suppose it was the directness of his approach that stands out.

Pretense of an interest in her project, but once they meet up, cuts to the chase and really is only interested in sex. Not illegal, bit of a grey area, but he's rightly been called out as someone bordering on if not actually a predator. There was no asking her for a date, dinner, etc. It was a case of lets go to my hotel.

As we have learned so far, its unlikely to be an isolated incident. I'd expect floodgates to open and more women to come forward.

Absolutely! You're there as a professional to discuss work, this is your job, your art, your career and someone in the industry you admire greatly, Hoffman, is interested in your work, wow!.. you meet only to find he immediately starts talking to you about sex. WTF?

These guys are bright, totally clued in and know full well what they're at.. to embarrass and humiliate someone with such casual ease and cruelty is a disgrace.

Lougarden

I don't get Camille Paglia's quote, there was a female Mozart, his sister Maria Anna. She was meant to be on par and at times better and she also composed. She wasn't allowed to continue to perform like Wolfgang when she got to the age of marriage because that was how society was at the time. Anyway, I saw the thread got derailed so don't want to do that but that just struck a chord with me on those quotes.

The number of allegations is unreal at the moment and no doubt more to come. I feel really sorry for all of the innocent men in that environment though and hope that none are wrongly accused. It must create an unnecessarily uncomfortable awkwardness in the atmosphere with a sense of walking on eggshells. It could diminish genuine friendly interaction. There will most likely be wrong allegations too that will deflect from the genuine cases of abuse.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tara - I genuinely hope you don't have a son. And I hope you never have one. Because I can only imagine how f*cking awful it would be for that child if you bring him up with the attitude you have now. It's like you'd make him feel bad for being the gender that he is.

He'll be identified as a girl anyways.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Absolutely! You're there as a professional to discuss work, this is your job, your art, your career and someone in the industry you admire greatly, Hoffman, is interested in your work, wow!.. you meet only to find he immediately starts talking to you about sex. WTF?

These guys are bright, totally clued in and know full well what they're at.. to embarrass and humiliate someone with such casual ease and cruelty is a disgrace.

It's a massively disheartening thing to happen. You take at face value what you're told, that women are equal in the workplace, your hard work and talent will see you through, etc etc. And then bam, no actually, I just want to fcuk you. It's humiliating, it makes you feel like a naive idiot, and it puts your guard up around men even more. It's in everyone's interest to show that that's not acceptable behaviour.

retro:electro

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-41843955

Kevin Spacey is now taking time to seek treatment. Treatment for what, Kevin? I thought you didn't do anything?....

The_Kew_Tour

If any good is going come from this is that I think we will see many more exposed now. More Women and some men are coming forward which is a great thing and hopefully they will all be public shamed for what they did.

It's getting people talking and most seem want changes and action taken.

It won't change overnight and I'm sure some will still try get away with this sort of vile crap, but hopefully it will be much much easier for women to come forward now and not feel afraid to go to somebody to get help and advice and the guilty to be punished.

Mr.Wemmick

anna080 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-41843955

Kevin Spacey is now taking time to seek treatment. Treatment for what, Kevin? I thought you didn't do anything?....

Great treatment and oodles of time to be got in prison, eh Kev?

And it will keep teenagers and young men safe while you're busy in there.

Earthhorse

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Honestly, is there ANYONE involved with the JL movie who hasn't been accused of sexual harassment, and groping? (Affleck, Whedon, and now Ratner).

Whedon was accused of cheating on his wife. Can't find anything on him harassing or groping people.

Wibbs

Earthhorse wrote: »

Whedon was accused of cheating on his wife. Can't find anything on him harassing or groping people.

Apparently he didn't have to(if that's even in his nature. It seems it's not), because both his ex wife and he basically said he was surrounded by young actresses throwing themselves in his path(and allegedly getting more screen time and lines out of it). He used the word "aggressively". Of course one has to remove the damage control guff. Especially his angle of "sure what could I do, poor me". I'm quite sure guys like Tom Hanks and Pearce Brosnan got far more women "throwing themselves" at them but they chose not to jump. But when both sides of a nasty divorce say the same thing it's likely more true.

It seems Buffy herself Sarah Michelle Gellar wasn't one of these. Quite the opposite and she distanced herself from him. Then again she's in Hollywood and with the same bloke for donkey's years(nearly 20 IIRC). And they're the same age. *gasp* :eek: Mad or wha?

retro:electro

If anything comes out about Tom Hanks I will be gutted. I love that man.

Earthhorse

Wibbs wrote: »

Apparently he didn't have to(if that's even in his nature. It seems it's not), because both his ex wife and he basically said he was surrounded by young actresses throwing themselves in his path(and allegedly getting more screen time and lines out of it). He used the word "aggressively". Of course one has to remove the damage control guff. Especially his angle of "sure what could I do, poor me". I'm quite sure guys like Tom Hanks and Pearce Brosnan got far more women "throwing themselves" at them but they chose not to jump. But when both sides of a nasty divorce say the same thing it's likely more true.

I'm sure he didn't have to and I'm not saying I find Whedon's reasoning believable but to me there is a distinct line between harassing and groping people and favouring people you're having affairs or even just sex with.

Wibbs

anna080 wrote: »

If anything comes out about Tom Hanks I will be gutted. I love that man.

I'd be beyond shocked if it did. Even the trashy gossip sites online report he's a very sound man and nobody has a bad word to say of the chap.

Earthhorse wrote: »

I'm sure he didn't have to and I'm not saying I find Whedon's reasoning believable but to me there is a distinct line between harassing and groping people and favouring people you're having affairs or even just sex with.

Oh there most certainly is E, but in another way it's illustrative of a certain aspect of Hollywood where sexual favours are seen as a currency.

mzungu

anna080 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-41843955

Kevin Spacey is now taking time to seek treatment. Treatment for what, Kevin? I thought you didn't do anything?....

Aye, this "treatment" line that keeps getting trotted out bugs the crap out of me. One wonders why none of them sought "treatment" years ago?

I'm only waiting for their "post-treatment" stories of how reformed they are that will appear ad-nauseum over the next few years.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Actor Randy Quaid has revealed that he was brutally raped by a neighbour when he was 5 years old. I've always thought he seemed quite troubled in his personal life with some of his behaviour. This would probably go a long way towards explaining it.

Explaining his reason for going public, he wrote: 'With all the other victims of abuse coming forward now is a good time to tell this story and join others dealing with their own, similar Hollywood encounters that must to be addressed and the perpetrators exposed for their evil smarminess.

'Time to drain the Hollywood swamp and get rid of these creeps.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5042037/Randy-Quaid-reveals-graphic-raped.html

Good on him, and all the other victims, for having the courage to come forward. I'm not even going to pretend I know what it must take to stand before the world and admit something as personal as that. And often to a media that wants to humiliate you, as we saw with Corey Feldman and others.

conditioned games

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Actor Randy Quaid has revealed that he was brutally raped by a neighbour when he was 5 years old. I've always thought he seemed quite troubled in his personal life with some of his behaviour. This would probably go a long way towards explaining it.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5042037/Randy-Quaid-reveals-graphic-raped.html

Good on him, and all the other victims, for having the courage to come forward. I'm not even going to pretend I know what it must take to stand before the world and admit something as personal as that. And often to a media that wants to humiliate you, as we saw with Corey Feldman and others.

Corey Feldman will be listened to now. Hopefully he will have the courage to expose Hollywood's pedophile rings.

Venom

conditioned games wrote: »

Corey Feldman will be listened to now. Hopefully he will have the courage to expose Hollywood's pedophile rings.

Feldman will only name name's if he gets 10 million to make a documentary about it.

silverharp

Venom wrote: »

Feldman will only name name's if he gets 10 million to make a documentary about it.

he named one today

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/11/john-jon-grissom-corey-feldman/

Outlaw Pete

anna080 wrote: »

If anything comes out about Tom Hanks I will be gutted. I love that man.

Hooch just tweeted. It's not good.

silverharp

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hooch just tweeted. It's not good.

and Wilson is talking to lawyers

retro:electro

Just waiting on a statement from Buzz Lightyear.

Outlaw Pete

Another actress () has come forward and said Harvey raped her twice:

HBO star alleges Harvey Weinstein raped her

Sources tell CBS News that New York City police have brought prosecutors new rape allegations against Hollywood movie mogul Harvey Weinstein.

Actress Paz de la Huerta says that in October of 2010, Weinstein offered to give her a ride home to her New York City apartment, after a party, because the two lived in the same neighborhood.

She says Weinstein insisted they have drinks. The pair eventually ended up inside her apartment.

That's when she alleges Weinstein took off her dress and forced himself on her.

"He pushed me on the bed ... and it happened all very suddenly," she said.

More than a month later, she claims she confronted Weinstein at the Four Seasons in Los Angeles because she says Weinstein kept calling her.

On December 23 of the same year, she says Weinstein showed up in the lobby of her apartment, they went upstairs and de la Huerta alleges he raped her a second time.

De la Huerta has been in numerous films and starred in HBO's "Boardwalk Empire."

"A senior sex crimes prosecutor is assigned to this investigation, and the Office has been working with our partners in the NYPD since the new allegations came to light," a statement read. "As this is an active investigation, we will not be commenting further."

De la Huerta says at the time of the alleged second rape, she had been drinking and was in no state to be having consensual sex.

Appears she could be alleging rape on the basis that she was too drunk to consent.

KKkitty

I won't be able to look at some older movies the same again after all this. What those poor child actors went through off camera is beyond deplorable. All those talented actors and actresses who didn't get a part in a movie because they wouldn't lower themselves to sleep with the director meaning their career may have ended before it begun. In the case of child actors and actresses they were obviously warned to shut up, no one would believe them or something more sinister to keep their silence. This is Hollywood the great land of make believe so victims couldn't come forward in anyway shape or form.

sabat

anna080 wrote: »

If anything comes out about Tom Hanks I will be gutted. I love that man.

Apparently he was raped on the set of Big by Elizabeth Perkins when he was just 12 years old.

RabbleRouser2k

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Another actress () has come forward and said Harvey raped her twice:

Appears she could be alleging rape on the basis that she was too drunk to consent.

Just from my reading, it sounds like rape to me. She wasn't interested, and he made her forcibly have sex. There was an element of overpowering her, and no element of consent.

Earthhorse wrote: »

Whedon was accused of cheating on his wife. Can't find anything on him harassing or groping people.

He's been known to be awful to actresses, even firing one when she became pregnant. And giving actresses a job based on sexual activities would fall under sexual harassment for me.
Yes, you can say they were consenting adults, but one was in a position of power(and this is by his own admission)-and knowing he fired an actress for the simple act of getting pregnant...that would put a young woman in a very uncompromising position.
He also abused his wife, with his affairs, and his lies. He made a commitment to his wife, while breaking it at every turn-then going on to denounce other serial cheaters while keeping his affairs as 'secret'.

More rape allegations have also been brought against Brett Ratner-so far two women have come forward (Natasha Henstridge from Species for one, another individual for another) as well as other accusations.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/02/natasha-henstridge-details-day-brett-ratner-allegedly-sexually-assaulted-her.html

More people have come forward about Spacey, 8 new accusers, so far.

Also, someone has come forward stating him and Spacey were in a 'relationship' when Spacemonster was in his 20s, and his 'partner' was 14-and he ended the relationship when Kevin tried to rape him.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4831992/young-kevin-spacey-slept-with-teen-14-and-tried-to-rape-him-as-eight-more-accusers-come-forward/

RabbleRouser2k

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Corey Feldman was on the Dr. Oz show earlier and named one of the actors that molested / raped him and Corey Haim.


https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/926271875952644096

Yeah-that's noted in an earlier post. It's intriguing and notable that Grissom only has two films on his CV-both with the two Corey's.
Also, if you google 'Jon Grissom'-you'll get an image of an older guy in blue tee shirt. That's not the guy who molested him.
This is.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/11/john-jon-grissom-corey-feldman/

Outlaw Pete

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Yeah-that's noted in an earlier post.

Oh hadn't spotted that.

It's intriguing and notable that Grissom only has two films on his CV-both with the two Corey's.

Well, going from the reality series and snippets from Feldman's book, apparently that's because the guy wasn't an actor at all but was one of his father's mates who went on to become Feldman's assistant. The bit parts seem to be something he got Grissom just because he could. One wonders why then did he not name him before now as this guy clearly has no power in Hollywood.

JupiterKid

The floodgates really are beginning to open. People are emboldened to finally speak up about their abuse at the hands of showbiz moguls. Its like a domino effect - the more that speak up, the more that feel safe to reveal their past ordeals.

I really can't imagine anything sordid coming out about Tom Hanks. He's one of the good guys IMO. Susan Sarandon is another actor who I believe is very decent. I've lost any shred of respect I used to have for Meryl Streep given her complete hypocrisy in all this. But it does beg the question - are the good people (men in particular) in Hollywood in the minority?

RabbleRouser2k

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh hadn't spotted that.



Well, going from the reality series and snippets from Feldman's book, apparently that's because the guy wasn't an actor at all but was one of his father's mates who went on to become Feldman's assistant. The bit parts seem to be something he got Grissom just because he could. One wonders why then did he not name him before now as this guy clearly has no power in Hollywood.

The Dan Schneider rumours keep getting revived-I imagine something will happen there too.

JupiterKid wrote: »

The floodgates really are beginning to open. People are emboldened to finally speak up about their abuse at the hands of showbiz moguls. Its like a domino effect - the more that speak up, the more that feel safe to reveal their past ordeals.

I really can't imagine anything sordid coming out about Tom Hanks. He's one of the good guys IMO. Susan Sarandon is another actor who I believe is very decent. I've lost any shred of respect I used to have for Meryl Streep given her complete hypocrisy in all this. But it does beg the question - are the good people (men in particular) in Hollywood in the minority?

I would say no-genuinely, I would say No. There are more good people than you think. (Disturbingly, Asia Argento got very little support from women, when she revealed her rape. It was mostly men-even if there were a few scumbag guys denouncing her too) There are quite a few good guys in Hollywood. Those who had no idea of the abuses-Kevin Smith, for example-have gone out of their way to help those who were abused (He's donating any profits he earns from his movies to rape charities). Other people, such as Spielberg, George Lucas, Francis Ford Coppola, Jeffrey Katzenberg (film producer), Christopher Nolan, etc-have never had a bad word said against them-the worst Harrison Ford could say was 'Lucas will replace all actors with puppets'. (Katzenberg also resigned from the Weinstein company when Harvey's crimes came to light).

Katzenberg apologised to Molly Ringwald for an alleged comment he made-which he said he had no recollection of, and claimed he would never say to a young woman-and that was the worst that could be dug up on him (I believe he may have just made a bad joke, or maybe it was picked up wrong-I say dumb things all the time, and never mean it). And I believe him. The reason being a documentary called 'Waking Sleeping Beauty' about the Disney Renaissance. Jeffrey was one of the few people who spoke to the animation crew (men and women) about how hard working for Disney had become and he became very emotional discussing it-and tried to fix it. (He got trampled over, however, and left to form Dreamworks-where he poached a ton of Disney talent).

Of the women tho-I think there are an equal number of bad people, across the genders. Jennifer Lawrence and Chace Crawford have both spoken of their treatment by women producers. As a male actor, you go into an audition and are pretty much told 'take your shirt off'. You may even be asked to strip to your boxer shorts.
Reese Witherspoon, without batting an eyelid, spoke of 'auditioning' the guys in her recent film-one of whom was to play her love interest (and all were younger than her). It's pretty much the 'take your shirt off' audition too. Nobody blinked. If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was a male actor saying the same-the internet would roar.

Annasopra

BillyBobBS wrote: »

How deep does this go that's the question. There is plenty of stuff out there about political figureheads in the UK in particular taking part in sex parties with children as recent as 2010. It's blindingly obvious there is a large cohort of these sick pedos in positions of power both in the UK and the US. But that's them and tbh i'm more worried about what goes on here in our own country were let's face it we have previous in this area.

Seems the Gate Theatre is now under a storm. The blog post allegations are bring shared widely on fb and twitter. I have read them and they are quite sickening.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1103/917165-harassment/

Annasopra

Deleted User wrote: »

That's true but I'm struggling to see something malevolent in a 26-year-old Spacey drunkenly coming on to a guy he'd spent the evening partying with in a night club and that he found in HIS bed after a party.

So is Rapp angry and frustrated about what happened or about the fact that Spacey tried to keep his homosexuality a secret when he (Rapp) knew better?

Wtf. Victim Blaming. Talk about nasty ****.

Wibbs

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Seems the Gate Theatre is now under a storm. The blog post allegations are bring shared widely on fb and twitter. I have read them and they are quite sickening.

If true. And this point is being lost on some with this trial by twitter. As the Taoiseach says in that article "those who may have been afraid to come forward in the past may be empowered to do so when they see others coming forward. However, the Taoiseach cautioned that counterbalance is necessary in understanding that "an allegation is an allegation". He said people had a right to due process, as well as having their good name protected". While it's good the floodgates are open and scumbags are being named there's also the sniff of mob think to this.

The Nal

One of those gorillas has just come out with a complaint against David Attenborough

mzungu

The Nal wrote: »

One of those gorillas has just come out with a complaint against David Attenborough

Virunga NP rangers are on the case.

The Nal

The Nal wrote: »

One of those gorillas has just come out with a complaint against David Attenborough

I thought you meant Gorillaz and expected you to say Damon Albarn.

Hammer89

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Seems the Gate Theatre is now under a storm. The blog post allegations are bring shared widely on fb and twitter. I have read them and they are quite sickening.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1103/917165-harassment/

Some are, while others are nothing more than examples of him being a bit of a dickhead. Problem is, Dyas has already set a piss poor standard of what constitutes shocking and inappropriate behaviour when her own story about Michael Colgan was about as shocking as the electrical charge which comes from rubbing a balloon.

I swear, if Michael Colgan is the closest Ireland comes to having a Harvey Weinstein-type figure then we've done alright.

What I truly can't stand is how Dyas uses the 'IrishWeinstein' hashtag to advertise stories in which the worst thing he did was grab someone's arse. To me, she's coming across as a sensationalist idiot, blatantly misleading her audience with actual clickbait, but they're too busy praising her heroism to notice or even care.

She's desperately trying to make a monster akin to Weinstein but the allegations, so far, are nowhere near as vile. Colgan is a wanker, Weinstein is a monster.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Yeah-that's noted in an earlier post. It's intriguing and notable that Grissom only has two films on his CV-both with the two Corey's.
Also, if you google 'Jon Grissom'-you'll get an image of an older guy in blue tee shirt. That's not the guy who molested him.
This is.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/11/john-jon-grissom-corey-feldman/

Grissom has a child sex abuse record, according to that link.

Depressingly, if you take a look at the comments in the post below, most people are still sneering and dismissing Feldman's claims. I just want to grab them and slap some sense into them. Don't they realise what is going on here? It's like all those people who refused to even consider the allegations about the Church, despite all the mounting evidence.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/926271875952644096

Does anyone else find the word choice odd in that heavy.com article?

"Later in the show, Feldman and the doctor called local police to report the crime. Throughout the performance, Feldman was flanked by his wife, Courtney Anne Mitchell"

Referring to it as a performance, I mean. It seems ill-fitting to call someone that was sexually abused reporting the crime to police a "performance".