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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Bambi985


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Matt Lauer has been sacked by NBC

    Met the guy through work more than a handful of times and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Matt Lauer has been sacked by NBC

    Wowza. That's pretty huge. Lauer would've been one of their biggest draws, I believe. So it just shows how little sh1t anyone is taking with this stuff. Nobody is safe any more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,515 ✭✭✭valoren


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Matt Lauer has been sacked by NBC

    On Monday night NBC received a detailed complaint and by the following day he is sacked? It's amazing how quickly the turnaround is. Wouldn't such organisations need to conduct due diligence by investigating the complaint? Take statements, speak with lawyers etc?

    Was he even afforded the opportunity to respond to the complaint at all? Or is it a case of the board hearing of a complaint and immediately telling someone to pack their things while they simultaneously fire up their twitter page to protect their image and brand?

    While he in all likelihood sexually harassed the complainant, and thus can expect nothing less than losing his job and having his rep affected, the dizzying speed the sackings happen is a cause for concern and would set a worrying precedent that simply making a complaint can get someone fired. If it can work with someone of Lauer's status then it sure as hell can work against Joey Joey Joe down in accounts. That gives power to and enables those of malicious intentions affording them the opportunity to abuse that power and drowns out the legitimate complaints from actually harassed individuals and not those bearings a grudge or having a vendetta.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Supposedly reporters from the NY Times had been investigating Lauer for weeks before he got fired.

    https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/935848897259245568


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    I have no idea who half these guys are. Do we need an update anytime some American is sacked?


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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All the Money in the Worldthe DeSpaceyd cut



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    pilly wrote: »
    I have no idea who half these guys are. Do we need an update anytime some American is sacked?

    I would reckon that Matt Lauer is one of the more prominent axing in recent weeks. Far as I'm aware, he would have been one of NBCs prominent stars -- Wikipedia has his salary at $28,000,000 annually.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would reckon that Matt Lauer is one of the more prominent axing in recent weeks. Far as I'm aware, he would have been one of NBCs prominent stars -- Wikipedia has his salary at $28,000,000 annually.

    now now, you're being Glib :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    pilly wrote: »
    I have no idea who half these guys are. Do we need an update anytime some American is sacked?

    make a list there of the guys you know,we will notify you if one pops up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭King George VI


    Jaysus, 2016 was the year of the numerous celebrity deaths, 2017 is the year of the celebrity pervs, what will next year be?


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,653 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Jaysus, 2016 was the year of the numerous celebrity deaths, 2017 is the year of the celebrity pervs, what will next year be?
    The year of the dead Royals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Beasty wrote: »
    The year of the dead Royals?

    I'm thinking celebrity divorces-my money's on Beyonce and Prince Harry's marriages both ending.
    Same with Ant from Ant and Dec's marriage htting the skids.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The wonderful thing about all this exposure is that it will cause a 'chilling effect' in the minds of every cuntweasel who thinks that their position of power grants them some sort of immunity, or divine right, to take advantage of another person.

    Thank goodness for the information revolution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Matt Lauer had a button, under his desk, that allowed him to lock his office door when an intern came in...like, wow, that's...that's Bond villain right there...ugh.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Matt Lauer had a button, under his desk, that allowed him to lock his office door when an intern came in...like, wow, that's...that's Bond villain right there...ugh.

    yeah and he another one on his chair arm rest which opened the floor into a piranha tank!!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,795 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Matt Lauer had a button, under his desk, that allowed him to lock his office door when an intern came in...like, wow, that's...that's Bond villain right there...ugh.
    That is very creepy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Lauer's statement
    There are no words to express my sorrow and regret for the pain I have caused others by words and actions. To the people I have hurt, I am truly sorry. As I am writing this I realize the depth of the damage and disappointment I have left behind at home and at NBC.
    Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed. I regret that my shame is now shared by the people I cherish dearly.
    Repairing the damage will take a lot of time and soul searching and I’m committed to beginning that effort. It is now my full time job. The last two days have forced me to take a very hard look at my own troubling flaws. It’s been humbling. I am blessed to be surrounded by the people I love. I thank them for their patience and grace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Lauer's statement


    Pity he couldn't realise these "flaws" until he was publicly exposed. Could have saved himself a lot of trouble.He is another one who has had these stories flying around for years and mainly seems sorry only that the world knows now.


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    is he another one of these botanical plantophiles? who cannot pass a pot of soil without **** into it I wonder???

    in his particular case, what was the nature of the complaint/complaints? anyone know?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    There's a reasonably amusing guy on Twitter that I follow called ''Not A Wolf'' and his comment on these pervs is straightforward ...

    JUST STOP TOUCHING PEOPLE MAN HOW HARD IS THAT

    JUST IMAGINE EVERY PERSON IS FILLED TO THE BRIM WITH BEES OR SOMETHING

    WHATEVER IT TAKES HONESTLY

    :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    The wonderful thing about all this exposure is that it will cause a 'chilling effect' in the minds of every cuntweasel who thinks that their position of power grants them some sort of immunity, or divine right, to take advantage of another person.

    Thank goodness for the information revolution.

    I dunno if it will-there's quite a few people who are constantly saying and doing horrific things (Lena Dunham , for example)...

    Unfortunately, Hollywood is a sick, sick town. It needs a total renovation, from the ground up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭Second Yellow


    I'm starting to worry that all these revelations will have no real effect on things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I'm starting to worry that all these revelations will have no real effect on things.

    Me too-and no, that's not a bad joke on the hashtag. I'm agreeing with you.

    I'm somewhat confused about this-and the dangers therein of believing an allegation upon it being said. The Ed Westwick allegation, for example, has been ringing on my mind. He vehemently denies it, but the two women are being taken for their word. He's complying with police in order to help the women.

    What strikes me about it is the two guys the women were dating-having the same reaction, word for word, and one of them is currently in jail for possession of child porn. One of those who has come forward has already changed her story. While it's not uncommon for victims to confuse details, down to trauma, she amended her original post-rather than doing a follow up post.

    Also, some people are being lumped in with Weinstein for their 'language', or comments. That's on a completely different level to what Weinstein did. Yet in the eyes of twitterati, it's the same darn thing.
    And even more disturbing is how so many creeps are experiencing a career 'resurgence' cos they're not as bad as 'those guys'. Mel Gibson for example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    I'm starting to worry that all these revelations will have no real effect on things.

    I'm not sure about that it makes those who may do such things think that what they previously felt was innocuous behavior is not, a silent revolution has begun and I think if there are reviews and policies put in place in the work force then there will be real change, the gate theatre will certainly be changing their policy and putting safe guards in place, their lively hood depends on it, I mean I personally am not going to any plays until there is a report saying how they are going to change the working environment there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    'Bryan Singer to take time out for health reasons...' Sure Jan.

    He's currently directing directing 'Bohemian Rhasody'-the Queen biopic.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42193912

    Wonder how many other 'health issues' come forward in recent weeks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    'Bryan Singer to take time out for health reasons...' Sure Jan.

    He's currently directing directing 'Bohemian Rhasody'-the Queen biopic.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42193912

    Wonder how many other 'health issues' come forward in recent weeks?

    Someone is sweating, and so he should be...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭HandsomeBob


    'Bryan Singer to take time out for health reasons...' Sure Jan.

    He's currently directing directing 'Bohemian Rhasody'-the Queen biopic.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42193912

    Wonder how many other 'health issues' come forward in recent weeks?

    Seemingly Singer has done this before during the production of Superman Returns and XMA.

    Issue with drugs.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    'Bryan Singer to take time out for health reasons...' Sure Jan.

    He's currently directing directing 'Bohemian Rhasody'-the Queen biopic.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42193912

    Wonder how many other 'health issues' come forward in recent weeks?

    He seems to have a sickness, alright...:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5140031/Metropolitan-Opera-conductor-molested-15-year-old.html

    James Levine, a conductor at the Met Opera is under investigation for child molestation, going back to the 80s, probably further. This is apparently huge, from what I can gather.

    Allegedly there was numerous payouts and hush payments made over the years. And there is far more than one child who's been abused.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Levine is a great conductor and I wouldnt let this business tarnish his reputation as a musician. Enjoyed a fine Tannhauser of his live once, and his recorded catalogue is of a very high standard.


    There will be no progress on this whole issue until the responsibility is moved beyond employers or corporate bodies - having the Met Opera, or The Gate Theatre, or 'Hollywood', or Westminster, have anything to do with investigations, responsibility for offenders of whatever sort, and the behaviour of people who by chance happen to work for them, is completely looking in the wrong direction. The world is distracting itself from the true problem at the moment.

    People, and society, are the problem. The idea that companies, industries, govt departments,etc are in anyway culpable or lax in policies, culture and need to increase their vigilance, supports, protocols, and responsibilities, is missing the target here by a country mile. Organisations are being thrown into turmoil and bearing a cost both financial and reputational, for which they are in no way responsible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Levine is a great conductor and I wouldnt let this business tarnish his reputation as a musician. Enjoyed a fine Tannhauser of his live once, and his recorded catalogue is of a very high standard.


    There will be no progress on this whole issue until the responsibility is moved beyond employers or corporate bodies - having the Met Opera, or The Gate Theatre, or 'Hollywood', or Westminster, have anything to do with investigations, responsibility for offenders of whatever sort, and the behaviour of people who by chance happen to work for them, is completely looking in the wrong direction. The world is distracting itself from the true problem at the moment.

    People, and society, are the problem. The idea that companies, industries, govt departments,etc are in anyway culpable or lax in policies, culture and need to increase their vigilance, supports, protocols, and responsibilities, is missing the target here by a country mile. Organisations are being thrown into turmoil and bearing a cost both financial and reputational, for which they are in no way responsible.

    Eh, the industries are very much responsible. Eg Netflix were aware of accusations against Spacey. Same happened on set of The Usual Suspects. And he's just one example. They used their roles of power to abuse and were protected.

    Studios very much hold responsibility in terms of protecting staff. The fact that Hollywood's reputation is being severely damaged and there's a fiscal impact, that happens when you actively ignore and protect those abusing power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭wetlandsboy


    Forgive me if this has already been posted, but the New Yorker has an interesting story speculating about why R Kelly is conspicuous by his omission from the current narrative:
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/why-has-r-kellys-career-thrived-despite-sexual-misconduct-allegations


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Forgive me if this has already been posted, but the New Yorker has an interesting story speculating about why R Kelly is conspicuous by his omission from the current narrative:
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/why-has-r-kellys-career-thrived-despite-sexual-misconduct-allegations
    I'd say the simplest explanation for the different reactions is that rock and roll was always seen as "dangerous" and "immoral". That was a large part of its appeal. Sex drugs and rock and roll. So hearing rock star X is snorting coke off the arses of 16 year old girls is near a meme. The main thing is there appears to be no hypocrisy involved. Unlike in Hollywood where the image is pushed of squeaky clean(with the occasional foray into hellraisers) from "American family values" in the early days to "political correctness" and "liberal" today. Film star X who goes on about equality, respect and choice snorting coke off the arses of 16 year old girls gives off a very different image.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Forgive me if this has already been posted, but the New Yorker has an interesting story speculating about why R Kelly is conspicuous by his omission from the current narrative:
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/why-has-r-kellys-career-thrived-despite-sexual-misconduct-allegations

    He's been in court so many times its no secret he's a deviant at this stage. He's a Gary glitter with a better legal team.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I'd say the simplest explanation for the different reactions is that rock and roll was always seen as "dangerous" and "immoral". That was a large part of its appeal. Sex drugs and rock and roll. So hearing rock star X is snorting coke off the arses of 16 year old girls is near a meme. The main thing is there appears to be no hypocrisy involved. Unlike in Hollywood where the image is pushed of squeaky clean(with the occasional foray into hellraisers) from "American family values" in the early days to "political correctness" and "liberal" today. Film star X who goes on about equality, respect and choice snorting coke off the arses of 16 year old girls gives off a very different image.

    R Kelly - rock n roll? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    Gabriel Byrne speaks out about spacey on usual suspects filiming.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1ebc779e-d7ad-11e7-945f-b625fa742a9e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Levine is a great conductor and I wouldnt let this business tarnish his reputation as a musician. Enjoyed a fine Tannhauser of his live once, and his recorded catalogue is of a very high standard.


    There will be no progress on this whole issue until the responsibility is moved beyond employers or corporate bodies - having the Met Opera, or The Gate Theatre, or 'Hollywood', or Westminster, have anything to do with investigations, responsibility for offenders of whatever sort, and the behaviour of people who by chance happen to work for them, is completely looking in the wrong direction. The world is distracting itself from the true problem at the moment.

    People, and society, are the problem. The idea that companies, industries, govt departments,etc are in anyway culpable or lax in policies, culture and need to increase their vigilance, supports, protocols, and responsibilities, is missing the target here by a country mile. Organisations are being thrown into turmoil and bearing a cost both financial and reputational, for which they are in no way responsible.

    Don't let it tarnish his reputation? What? Don't you usually decry any allegations or ruminations towards celebrities. Even bring out 'rape culture' stuff? Just cos you know him, doesn't mean he's innocent or 'untarnished'.




    The press knew it, but he dodged questions about it-even at a Kennedy awards Honors, he snuck in the side door-he couldn't walk the red carpet because of questions.
    Sounds like he's the Weinstein/ Spacey of the Met.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad





    The press knew it, but he dodged questions about it-even at a Kennedy awards Honors, he snuck in the side door-he couldn't walk the red carpet because of questions.
    Sounds like he's the Weinstein/ Spacey of the Met.

    Not that it makes any difference but anyone with an interest in classical music has known about this for years , always left an uncomfortable feeling .

    Same with that guy in The Who , he was cut an awful lot of slack too.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    marienbad wrote: »
    Not that it makes any difference but anyone with an interest in classical music has known about this for years , always left an uncomfortable feeling .

    Same with that guy in The Who , he was cut an awful lot of slack too.

    good aul Pete,' I was just researching, yer honour...'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    marienbad wrote: »
    Not that it makes any difference but anyone with an interest in classical music has known about this for years , always left an uncomfortable feeling .

    Same with that guy in The Who , he was cut an awful lot of slack too.

    Still went on a registry. It's why he wasn't in the Simpson's when The Who appeared.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Still went on a registry. It's why he wasn't in the Simpson's when The Who appeared.

    That a terrible punishment , surfing child porn and you get banned from the Simpsons !

    Money and position still talk , at least until recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    marienbad wrote: »
    That a terrible punishment , surfing child porn and you get banned from the Simpsons !

    Money and position still talk , at least until recently.

    Money and position will always talk-just yesterday an article branded Brock Turner (remember that piece of excrement?) was branded a 'controversial rapist'.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/controversial-rapist-brock-turner-seeks-overturn-conviction-182809770.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    marienbad wrote: »

    Same with that guy in The Who , he was cut an awful lot of slack too.
    Still went on a registry. It's why he wasn't in the Simpson's when The Who appeared.
    marienbad wrote: »
    That a terrible punishment , surfing child porn and you get banned from the Simpsons !

    Money and position still talk , at least until recently.

    Eh lads, it was later proven that Pete Townshend was innocent, he visited an adult porn site. He didn't view child porn. Operation Ore, under which he was cautioned, did bungle some stuff despite all the good it also did.

    Just goes to show how accusations can stick, even if later proven false.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Eh lads, it was later proven that Pete Townshend was innocent, he visited an adult porn site. He didn't view child porn. Operation Ore, under which he was cautioned, did bungle some stuff despite all the good it also did.

    Just goes to show how accusations can stick, even if later proven false.

    +1 could not agree more.


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    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Eh lads, it was later proven that Pete Townshend was innocent, he visited an adult porn site. He didn't view child porn. Operation Ore, under which he was cautioned, did bungle some stuff despite all the good it also did.

    Just goes to show how accusations can stick, even if later proven false.

    God.

    The poor guy - you visit a porn site that has a link to something about child porn and get put on a sex offenders registry.

    Utterly terrifying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Eh lads, it was later proven that Pete Townshend was innocent, he visited an adult porn site. He didn't view child porn. Operation Ore, under which he was cautioned, did bungle some stuff despite all the good it also did.

    Just goes to show how accusations can stick, even if later proven false.

    have you a link for that ?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    R Kelly - rock n roll? :confused:
    Yeah. In the sense of "rebellious" popular music.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Eh lads, it was later proven that Pete Townshend was innocent, he visited an adult porn site. He didn't view child porn. Operation Ore, under which he was cautioned, did bungle some stuff despite all the good it also did.

    Just goes to show how accusations can stick, even if later proven false.

    That's not strictly true. But his motives do seem to have been about trying to help. It was an extraordinarily stupid move on his part though.

    Edit: I think you're getting him mixed up with 3D, Robert Del Naja, from Massive Attack. He had visited an adult porn site but somehow he had found himself being under suspicion for accessing child pornography. He was completed cleared of everything in relation to that.
    Townshend was arrested after the FBI found his name on a list of people who had used a credit card to pay to look at a child porn site and passed it to the British police. He had looked at it only once, and maintained it was for research. Forensic analysis on his 12 computers revealed he had downloaded no images - compared to the tens of thousands discovered on the computers of paedophiles - and emails backed up his claims that he had been in touch with child protection charities about accessing the site.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/townshend-fails-to-block-bbc-film-on-pornography-arrest-567127.html

    Barry Crimmins, a US comedian, did something similar in the states and did a massive amount to highlight the issue in the states. His story is told in the fascinating 'Call Me Lucky' documentary that I think is still on Netflix. It's a must watch for everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭mikeysmith


    Speaking of mud sticking

    I still haven't the faintest idea of whether Michael Jackson was guilty of anything?

    Is there any actual facts available on the matter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    That's not strictly true. But his motives do seem to have been about trying to help. It was an extraordinarily stupid move on his part though.

    It's a weird one. I tend to believe what he says though for the reason that the police only cautioned him which tells me that he didn't do much. If he had in any way looked at child porn, he would have been charged, famous or not. Chris Langham wasn't let off due to being well-known. Now, he wouldn't be anywhere near as famous as Pete Townshend but he was starring in 'The Thick Of It' at the time of his arrest. That being said, Langham was looking at level 5 stuff which is the very worst category. :mad: But I just think that, if Pete Townshend had really done anything wrong, he would have been given more than a caution. It's fairly cut and dried. Proof that you have accessed child porn or downloaded stuff - you're getting more than an caution.
    Edit: I think you're getting him mixed up with 3D, Robert Del Naja, from Massive Attack. He had visited an adult porn site but somehow he had found himself being under suspicion for accessing child pornography. He was completed cleared of everything in relation to that.

    No, I knew about that one too!

    Operation Ore sadly left a not-insignificant number of suicides in its wake. I'm sure some were people who were guilty but sadly a number of them were people who were wrongly accused but the accusation destroyed their lives. The problem seems to be that they were a bit in over their heads with the technology and maybe certain members of the investigation did know how to fully analyse the data. For example, and I'm sorry if I have it not quite right here as I'm not particularly techy, I recall reading about a guy arrested and charged under Operation Ore who came close to be jailed but luckily it was able to be proven that the one image of child porn found on his computer was one that downloaded from a pop up whilst he was visiting an adult site. Something like that anyways.


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