Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

_Dara_

Andrew Beef wrote: »

The guy was 16...it is totally off the wall to be mentioning paedophilia in that context.

A 16 year old guy getting a bl..job from a 26 year old woman is not “abuse”.

What? The age difference is ick but that's the least of the reasons why it's abuse. He was probably above the age of consent but did you miss the stuff about him being drugged?

pilly

Andrew Beef wrote:

The guy was 16...it is totally off the wall to be mentioning paedophilia in that context.

Andrew Beef wrote:

A 16 year old guy getting a bl..job from a 26 year old woman is not “abuseâ€.

You need a good long look at yourself.

Andrew Beef

That’s a very mature post.

I’d venture that the people conflating paedophilia and a 16 year guy being given Jack Daniel, speed, and a bl..job by a 26 year old TV starlet need to reflect on their own hysteria.

pitifulgod

Andrew Beef wrote: »

That’s a very mature post.

I’d venture that the people conflating paedophilia and a 16 year guy being given Jack Daniel, speed, and a bl..job by a 26 year old TV starlet need to reflect on their own hysteria.

It was against his will, there was no consent. That meets the definition of sexual assault.

Ken.

Mod-Andrew Beef is banned for a week so won't be responding.

JP Liz V1

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Bellamy Young, an actress on Scandal, said she felt Ryan Seacrest should not present at the Oscars...

...she was forced to apologise. Can't believe having an opinion like that is something you have to apologise for.

I mean Casey Affleck did the decent thing and stepped down from presenting, it will look very bad if Seacrest sticks around. Jimmy Kimmel saying he 'respects his truth' is also blinkered.

There was not a lot choosing to go speak to him I thought on the red carpet and his former colleague Kelly Ripa came over and kinda fawned over him, it was awkward as she brought more attention to him imho

Ash.J.Williams

Do we really need the Oscars anymore

RabbleRouser2k

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Do we really need the Oscars anymore

The ratings say...no.

It was intriguing how there was a 'TimesUp' movement--and yet one of the biggest, most controversial figures at the Oscars was Kobe Bryant, the guy who was involved in a high profile rape case. (Dear Basketball won for best short animated film).

ceadaoin.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There was not a lot choosing to go speak to him I thought on the red carpet and his former colleague Kelly Ripa came over and kinda fawned over him, it was awkward as she brought more attention to him imho

He presents a daily show with Ripa still , so I suppose she has to defend him. I didn't watch any of the red carpet stuff but it sounds like it was awkward as hell. Don't know why he didn't step down tbh, apart from anything it must have been humiliating for him

RabbleRouser2k

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He presents a daily show with Ripa still , so I suppose she has to defend him. I didn't watch any of the red carpet stuff but it sounds like it was awkward as hell. Don't know why he didn't step down tbh, apart from anything it must have been humiliating for him

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't, I think. Either one assumes he's guilty.

mzungu

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Do we really need the Oscars anymore

TV is really where it's at these days.

retro:electro

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He presents a daily show with Ripa still , so I suppose she has to defend him. I didn't watch any of the red carpet stuff but it sounds like it was awkward as hell. Don't know why he didn't step down tbh, apart from anything it must have been humiliating for him

I suppose if he feels like he hasn’t done anything wrong then he shouldn’t have to. I don’t know the first thing about Ryan tbh but I’ve read that an internal investigation has cleared him of any wrongdoing, and yet the allegation has stuck and impacted his career, and I’m sure being avoided by those who would usually sell their granny to be acknowledged by him was humiliating.
The pendulum is now swinging in the extreme opposite direction.

DavidLyons_

Emma Stone getting a fair bit of grief on social media etc. because her disingenuous jibe about "four men and Greta Gerwig" being nominated for best director didn't allude to the ethnicity of two of the men.

Essentially she didn't go far enough with her self-righteous nonsense.

Hollywood may well eat itself yet. One can only hope.

The Oscars really are just a bunch of cnuts slapping other cnuts on the back and celebrating what a successful bunch of snake oil salesme.... salespersons they really are.

RabbleRouser2k

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Emma Stone getting a fair bit of grief on social media etc. because her disingenuous jibe about "four men and Greta Gerwig" being nominated for best director didn't allude to the ethnicity of two of the men.

Essentially she didn't go far enough with her self-righteous nonsense.

Hollywood may well eat itself yet. One can only hope.

The Oscars really are just a bunch of cnuts slapping other cnuts on the back and celebrating what a successful bunch of snake oil salesme.... salespersons they really are.

Of course she'd ignore colour-this is the woman who played an Asian character in Aloha.

She's probably bitter this is her last year of not being cast as a mom (Once an actress hits 30, that's the roles she'll get-eg Mila Kunis).

swift18

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Emma Stone getting a fair bit of grief on social media etc. because her disingenuous jibe about "four men and Greta Gerwig" being nominated for best director didn't allude to the ethnicity of two of the men.

Essentially she didn't go far enough with her self-righteous nonsense.

Hollywood may well eat itself yet. One can only hope.

The Oscars really are just a bunch of cnuts slapping other cnuts on the back and celebrating what a successful bunch of snake oil salesme.... salespersons they really are.

lead best actor
(((oldmann)))

_Dara_

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Of course she'd ignore colour-this is the woman who played an Asian character in Aloha.

She's probably bitter this is her last year of not being cast as a mom (Once an actress hits 30, that's the roles she'll get-eg Mila Kunis).

Well, this is daft. 30 is very far from the cut off there. Mila Kunis, your example, ably demonstrates that. She turned 30 4.5 years ago, most of her roles since then have not been ‘mother’ roles. Only one has been: Bad Moms and a Christmas special featuring the same character. Things get tough for older actresses but you’re talking late 30s to 40, rather than 30.

And people having a go at her for not mentioning the diversity of the nominees are being ridiculous. She’s not Superwoman.

RabbleRouser2k

_Dara_ wrote: »

Well, this is daft. 30 is very far from the cut off there. Mila Kunis, your example, ably demonstrates that. She turned 30 4.5 years ago, most of her roles since then have not been ‘mother’ roles. Only one has been: Bad Moms and a Christmas special featuring the same character. Things get tough for older actresses but you’re talking late 30s to 40, rather than 30.

And people having a go at her for not mentioning the diversity of the nominees are being ridiculous. She’s not Superwoman.

Well, as soon as she was 30, she was cast as the witch in Oz: Great and powerful. That's pretty much a trope-women over 30 are cast as the witch, and not the good one.

Angelina Jolie was close to 30 when she was cast as Colin Farrells mom in Alexander-and he was 3 years younger. It's a sad hollywood trope, but it's true. Mila Kunis was an example, there's way more.

pitifulgod

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Well, as soon as she was 30, she was cast as the witch in Oz: Great and powerful. That's pretty much a trope-women over 30 are cast as the witch, and not the good one.

Angelina Jolie was close to 30 when she was cast as Colin Farrells mom in Alexander-and he was 3 years younger. It's a sad hollywood trope, but it's true. Mila Kunis was an example, there's way more.

Stone won an Oscar last year, was in the fantastic Battle of The Sexes at the end of last year. Pretty sure she's got more options than most actors.

Varik

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Well, as soon as she was 30, she was cast as the witch in Oz: Great and powerful. That's pretty much a trope-women over 30 are cast as the witch, and not the good one. .

She played the young innocent naive one who goes evil.

cloudatlas

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Do we really need the Oscars anymore

I actually thought the films this year were decent.

Shelga

The luvvies at the Oscars are unbearable. I just enjoy the glitz and glamour. Maybe, just maybe, not as many women want to be directors?? It seems to be heading in the direction of quotas. Encourage female directors, sure, but the grandstanding recently is so cringeworthy.

mathie

So will they eliminate the most sexist element of all? (no not Harvey)
The fact that there's separate categories for
Best Actor / Actress
Best Supporting Actor / Actress

Vladimir Poontang

Morto for Emma Watson.

JP Liz V1

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Morto for Emma Watson.

Why, what I miss?

pjohnson

mathie wrote: »

So will they eliminate the most sexist element of all? (no not Harvey)
The fact that there's separate categories for
Best Actor / Actress
Best Supporting Actor / Actress

Did this at the VMA's and it led to whinging over sexism when females won less than the males.

Hande hoche!

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why, what I miss?

Her new tattoo.

neonsofa

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Her new tattoo.

It's fake, and it was only a missing apostrophe, it would've been fairly simple to add one in if it had been real.

Sonics2k

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Her new tattoo.

I'm sure she'll head back to her multi-million pound mansion and weep dramatically about a tiny typo on a tattoo.

Or more likely she'll make a joke about it and then go back to not giving a ****e

Hande hoche!

neonsofa wrote: »

It's fake, and it was only a missing apostrophe, it would've been fairly simple to add one in if it had been real.

Seemed like a storm in a teacup.

pitifulgod

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why, what I miss?

A fake tattoo that says Time's Up missing apostrophe, bit of an overreaction to it by some as demonstrated by Vladimir.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a19135480/emma-watson-times-up-tattoo-typo-response-tweet/

Hande hoche!

Ten points from Gryffindor.

soiseztomabel

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Whiskey, speed, and oral sex from a hot tv star...every teenage boys nightmare!



Mod-Banned

Niiiiice

I think it's funny how the like of de Niro can say he'd like to punch trump in the face but stays quiet when it comes to his chums. same for Streep and the likes, yes she smiles like a crocodile in the front row of the oscars frocked up like pig in knickers!!

JP Liz V1

pitifulgod wrote: »

Stone won an Oscar last year, was in the fantastic Battle of The Sexes at the end of last year. Pretty sure she's got more options than most actors.

Emma Stone probably expected to fair better at the Oscars for playing Billie Jean King in Battle of the Sexes, no nomination

I kinda glad Greta Gerwig didn't win best director for LadyBird

Mila Kunis even at 34 looks much younger, still Jackie from The 70s show

_Dara_

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Well, as soon as she was 30, she was cast as the witch in Oz: Great and powerful. That's pretty much a trope-women over 30 are cast as the witch, and not the good one.

Angelina Jolie was close to 30 when she was cast as Colin Farrells mom in Alexander-and he was 3 years younger. It's a sad hollywood trope, but it's true. Mila Kunis was an example, there's way more.

As far as I recall, Angelina Jolie’s casting in that role was scoffed at.

You painted it like that’s all that is available to actresses as soon as they turn 30 which is clearly ridiculous. It’s more when they hit the 40 mark.

Vladimir Poontang

pitifulgod wrote: »

A fake tattoo that says Time's Up missing apostrophe, bit of an overreaction to it by some as demonstrated by Vladimir.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a19135480/emma-watson-times-up-tattoo-typo-response-tweet/

Demonstrated by me how? A glib remark?

And you accuse me of overreacting

RabbleRouser2k

rusty cole wrote: »

I think it's funny how the like of de Niro can say he'd like to punch trump in the face but stays quiet when it comes to his chums. same for Streep and the likes, yes she smiles like a crocodile in the front row of the oscars frocked up like pig in knickers!!

He's also jumped on the 'vaccines cause autism' mental head case wagon, claims he wants to read a study that disproves it.

There are numerous studies that prove vaccines are safe, tell that to DeNiro.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Emma Stone probably expected to fair better at the Oscars for playing Billie Jean King in Battle of the Sexes, no nomination

I kinda glad Greta Gerwig didn't win best director for LadyBird

Mila Kunis even at 34 looks much younger, still Jackie from The 70s show

Holly Hunter played King better in a hbo movie, years ago, so Stone was up against it.

Gerwig was a pity vote-nobody wants to say that, but she only got a nomination because of bizarre accusations against him. So Gerwig filled a quota. She wasn't nominated at the Golden Globes.

Kunis only looks younger cos of makeup...without it, she looks older. That's what smoking does to ya.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/mila-kunis-without-make-up-1760403

_Dara_ wrote: »

As far as I recall, Angelina Jolie’s casting in that role was scoffed at.

You painted it like that’s all that is available to actresses as soon as they turn 30 which is clearly ridiculous. It’s more when they hit the 40 mark.

All the casting was scoffed at-as was the 'Macedonians with bad Irish accents' and Colin Farrell's casting, as well as his terrible hairstyle.

Emma Stone's next role is Cruella DeVille...a clear Witch analogy. Won't be long until the mom roles.
Eva Green was 34, when playing Shailene Woodley's mom in White Bird in a Blizzard. Woodley was 23. One of the reasons Rachel Weisz didn't return for the third Mummy film was because the actor playing her 'son' was just over 10 years younger. Instead, another actress played the role.
Weisz was in her mid thirties, barely 30 when she played the mum role in Mummy Returns, with a ten year old kid.

It's not 'all' the roles-but it's pretty much most.

_Dara_

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It's not 'all' the roles-but it's pretty much most.

It really, really isn't. At 30, a minority of the roles will be 'mother' ones.

You've given, what, five examples? It is very easy to match and then greatly exceed that with 30 somethings in decidedly non-maternal roles. Sure, look at Naomi Watts. She was north of 30 when her career took off. She's had some mother roles but many that weren't. And she's just one example.

Age is a factor for actresses but you've overestimated by about a decade.

The Commissar

Anyone think Weinstein might be connected to the Fappening scandal of a few years back?

RabbleRouser2k

The Commissar wrote: »

Anyone think Weinstein might be connected to the Fappening scandal of a few years back?

Yes, I think a few of us said it before. It's why the 'J Law knew' posts sprung up-the story at the time was it was a high powered producer who released those images.

He was obsessed with Michelle williams and just turned up on the set of my week with marilyn just to creep on her nude scene shooting day, he also pressure the director to shoot more nudity, it's in that weinstein doco!

If he'd an army of spies I think leaking nude selfies would be the least of what he's willing to do, such a dirtbag.

weldoninhio

How come they didn’t all wear black to the Oscars? Have all the bad men gone now??

RabbleRouser2k

weldoninhio wrote: »

How come they didn’t all wear black to the Oscars? Have all the bad men gone now??

Ah no, sure Times Up on Times Up. When Kobe Bryant walked up there, there was nobody talking or shouting 'rapist'.
And they all had to apologise to Ryan Seacrest.

rusty cole wrote: »

He was obsessed with Michelle williams and just turned up on the set of my week with marilyn just to creep on her nude scene shooting day, he also pressure the director to shoot more nudity, it's in that weinstein doco!

If he'd an army of spies I think leaking nude selfies would be the least of what he's willing to do, such a dirtbag.

Yeah, and was ticked off when it was a double, rather than actually Michelle, doing the nudity. The director told him 'no' when Weinstein made requests, leading to old Harvey getting violent.
That was the last time they worked together.

RabbleRouser2k

Gary Oldman's son has written a piece defending his father of the allegations.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5472513/Gary-Oldmans-son-Gulliver-defends-against-claims-abuse-ex.html

This quote is one that stands out.

'Custody of children is not given to a wife beater, and under most circumstances, hardly ever a man. My having lived, full time with my father should be in itself, proof enough.'

HandsomeBob

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Gary Oldman's son has written a piece defending his father of the allegations.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5472513/Gary-Oldmans-son-Gulliver-defends-against-claims-abuse-ex.html

This quote is one that stands out.

That's really great to see, hopefully that's the end of it and no more column inches will be given to the matter. The Guardian in particular has disappointed me by publishing multiple opinion pieces critical of Oldman based on nothing. If it was up to them he would have gone the way as Franco.

ceadaoin.

Apparently the NYPD are ready to arrest Weinstein...

The NYPD is prepared to collar Harvey Weinstein for felony sexual assault, a police official with direct knowledge of the case told The Daily Beast.

“We’re ready to go with an arrest,” the official said yesterday afternoon.

The NYPD is awaiting only a nod from Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nypd-is-ready-to-arrest-harvey-weinstein-will-district-attorney-cy-vance-finally-agree-to-let-them?source=twitter&via=desktop

RabbleRouser2k

A fourth woman, who has revoked her anonymity, has now accused Ed Westwick of rape.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5121859/Fourth-woman-claims-Ed-Westwick-raped-held-captive.html

cloudatlas

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

A fourth woman, who has revoked her anonymity, has now accused Ed Westwick of rape.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5121859/Fourth-woman-claims-Ed-Westwick-raped-held-captive.html

But there is no proof, they are just fame hungry women looking for notoriety through rape claims!

Shurimgreat

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Apparently the NYPD are ready to arrest Weinstein...



https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nypd-is-ready-to-arrest-harvey-weinstein-will-district-attorney-cy-vance-finally-agree-to-let-them?source=twitter&via=desktop

Cyrus Vance? Did he not drop an investigation before around the time a donation was made to his office? Or was it another prosecutor?

If Weinstein was a poor black guy, he'd already be arrested, tried and given a jail term of decades.

Hande hoche!

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Cyrus Vance? Did he not drop an investigation before around the time a donation was made to his office? Or was it another prosecutor?

If Weinstein was a poor black guy, he'd already be arrested, tried and given a jail term of decades.

He has a net worth of between 200 and 300 million dollars. He could be an albino African in the country illegitimately but with that kind of wealth, the NYPD would have to ensure they crossed the Ts and dotted their Is.