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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,525 ✭✭✭valoren


    Gary Oldman's son has written a piece defending his father of the allegations.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5472513/Gary-Oldmans-son-Gulliver-defends-against-claims-abuse-ex.html

    This quote is one that stands out.

    Aged 20 and already a class act. It's interesting that these allegations come at a time when Oldman is being honoured and this news simply reeks of attention seeking by his ex-wife.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    valoren wrote: »
    Aged 20 and already a class act. It's interesting that these allegations come at a time when Oldman is being honoured and this news simply reeks of attention seeking by his ex-wife.

    Yes! wicked woman trying to take all the glory and attention for herself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    So it looks like a few high status members of pro women movements in the US are fans of Louis Farrakhan, psycho bigot leader of space ship shabooboo, racist cult Nation of Islam.
    I'm sure they'll be dragged over the coals for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Have to wonder if the Irish Mirror is being paid to carry out a 'redemption' for Al Porter.

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/2286616/shamed-comedian-al-porter-vows-that-hes-learned-his-lesson-after-fellow-comedian-says-hes-been-punished-enough/

    Calling it 'experimentation' at 25 is similar to calling a rape a 'one off'.
    But in astonishing scenes, Savage Eye star Dave turned the spotlight on his pal, who was seated in a box above the stage while Porter was seen pleading that he had learned his lesson about his over-the-top behaviour.

    McSavage told the crowd, “Al Porter is no Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey” and he has been punished and gone through “enough s***”.

    The comic added: “We all have to explore our sexuality when we are young. How can we know a boundary until we’ve crossed it?”

    He's not far off a Spacey, for sure. Both haven't apologised, and both are beyond deluded.

    (Btw, the header Al Porter claiming 'he's learned his lesson'-he never said that, but to heck with facts, eh, dear journo?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭twill


    That's truly vile. Apparently young men/teenagers who were the subject of alleged assaults shouldn't get a say in these "explorations" or "boundary crossings."


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    twill wrote: »
    That's truly vile. Apparently young men/teenagers who were the subject of alleged assaults shouldn't get a say in these "explorations" or "boundary crossings."

    I know a fair few male and female comedians who are pretty outraged at the efforts to draw Porter back into comedy circuit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    twill wrote: »
    That's truly vile. Apparently young men/teenagers who were the subject of alleged assaults shouldn't get a say in these "explorations" or "boundary crossings."

    If he was a solicitor, defending a rapist, would he also use the 'ah sure you don't know the stove is hot until you burn yourself' defence?

    Joe dot ie printed the same story, and is getting the same bashing on twitter. I see Als facebook is active too.

    Even Kevin Spacey wouldn't be that brazen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭conorhal


    That's really great to see, hopefully that's the end of it and no more column inches will be given to the matter. The Guardian in particular has disappointed me by publishing multiple opinion pieces critical of Oldman based on nothing. If it was up to them he would have gone the way as Franco.

    What people might not know is that Gary Oldman is red-pilled as F!£$ and one of the very few openly conservative actors in Hollywood. In an awards ceremony filled with 'you go girl!' virtue signalling he chose to use his Oscar speech to thank America for the opportunities he was given there. Thus Oldman is flat out evil in the eyes of Hollywood and the Guardian and fair game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    conorhal wrote: »
    What people might not know is that Gary Oldman is red-pilled as F!£$ and one of the very few openly conservative actors in Hollywood. In an awards ceremony filled with 'you go girl!' virtue signalling he chose to use his Oscar speech to thank America for the opportunities he was given there. Thus Oldman is flat out evil in the eyes of Hollywood and the Guardian and fair game.

    The Oscar's had it's worst audience in decades, and no amount of virtue signalling could fix that.
    Yeah, Oldman has strong opinions on things, and it's hard to disagree with him at times. Not hard at others.
    I think this won't be the end of things. When he apologised for his comment on powerful Jewish men, the media still got ticked off. They even resurfaced it again in light of the domestic allegations.

    Well, in light of the abuses committed by Weinstein, et al, maybe he was discussing the abuses they committed in a none too tactful manner. And when I say 'they' I mean Weinsteins, not the Jewish people.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    Cyrus Vance? Did he not drop an investigation before around the time a donation was made to his office? Or was it another prosecutor?

    If Weinstein was a poor black guy, he'd already be arrested, tried and given a jail term of decades.

    Lucky for Bill Cosby he's not poor then.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    Have to wonder if the Irish Mirror is being paid to carry out a 'redemption' for Al Porter.

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/2286616/shamed-comedian-al-porter-vows-that-hes-learned-his-lesson-after-fellow-comedian-says-hes-been-punished-enough/

    Calling it 'experimentation' at 25 is similar to calling a rape a 'one off'.



    He's not far off a Spacey, for sure. Both haven't apologised, and both are beyond deluded.

    (Btw, the header Al Porter claiming 'he's learned his lesson'-he never said that, but to heck with facts, eh, dear journo?)

    Wonder if that creep Mcsavage has any secrets of his own?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    It really is inexcusable behaviour from McSavage. I wonder if he'd dare if Porter was going after girls. Then again looking at Liam Neeson defending that radio host perhaps he would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    strandroad wrote: »
    It really is inexcusable behaviour from McSavage. I wonder if he'd dare if Porter was going after girls. Then again looking at Liam Neeson defending that radio host perhaps he would.

    Liam Neeson didn't charge people to go to his show, then defend Kevin Spacey while Kev was in the audience.
    Neeson put his foot in it, but he didnt defend Weinstein or Spacey. By his own admission he's not a public speaker. Acting he can do, public speaking without acting a part he can't.
    McSavage is a seasoned speaker. So he knew what he was on about.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Have to wonder if the Irish Mirror is being paid to carry out a 'redemption' for Al Porter.

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/2286616/shamed-comedian-al-porter-vows-that-hes-learned-his-lesson-after-fellow-comedian-says-hes-been-punished-enough/

    Calling it 'experimentation' at 25 is similar to calling a rape a 'one off'.



    He's not far off a Spacey, for sure. Both haven't apologised, and both are beyond deluded.

    (Btw, the header Al Porter claiming 'he's learned his lesson'-he never said that, but to heck with facts, eh, dear journo?)

    Except Al Porter did not RAPE anyone.

    Jaysus, I can't stand Porter but people are getting so carried away here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 300 ✭✭garbo speaks


    pilly wrote: »
    people are getting so carried away here.

    Agreed. What the left have tried to do in recent months is effectively 'level out' all inappropriate sexual behavior. For example, the left these days will suggest that the behavior of a man wolf whistling at a woman on the street is equal, and just as serious as the crime of a man raping a woman. Their is a wide spectrum of deviant behavior, some offences worse than others, and they should be treated accordingly.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Agreed. What the left have tried to do in recent months is effectively 'level out' all inappropriate sexual behavior. For example, the left these days will suggest that the behavior of a man wolf whistling at a woman on the street is equal, and just as serious as the crime of a man raping a woman. Their is a wide spectrum of deviant behavior, some offences worse than others, and they should be treated accordingly.

    It actually demeans victims of genuinely violent assaults to lump them in with much more minor incidents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    pilly wrote: »
    Except Al Porter did not RAPE anyone.

    Jaysus, I can't stand Porter but people are getting so carried away here.

    He inserted his finger, without consent, into guys rectums, and fondled their genitals inside their clothes. He did more than that theatre director, but is defended as 'making a mistake'.

    Meanwhile, the theatre guy was condemned on Claire Byrne, Tonight show, and in news media. Because his victims are female.
    The 'rape as a one off' was referring to a case a number of years ago where the judge said similar words, and allowed an admitted rapist walk free from court on a suspended sentence.

    Hence the comparison.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    He inserted his finger, without consent, into guys rectums, and fondled their genitals inside their clothes. He did more than that theatre director, but is defended as 'making a mistake'.

    Meanwhile, the theatre guy was condemned on Claire Byrne, Tonight show, and in news media. Because his victims are female.
    The 'rape as a one off' was referring to a case a number of years ago where the judge said similar words, and allowed an admitted rapist walk free from court on a suspended sentence.

    Hence the comparison.

    Where is your proof that he did those exact acts? I don't remember that being proven?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    pilly wrote: »
    Where is your proof that he did those exact acts? I don't remember that being proven?

    So you're saying Harvey Weinstein is also innocent? Or Kevin Spacey? No proof on them either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    That's really great to see, hopefully that's the end of it and no more column inches will be given to the matter. The Guardian in particular has disappointed me by publishing multiple opinion pieces critical of Oldman based on nothing. If it was up to them he would have gone the way as Franco.
    I don't know what The Guardian has posted on Oldman but this is the man that defended that POS snake Gibson by claiming we've  all said racist/anti-Semitic things so anyone who is offended is a hypocrite. 
    Typical old man thinking: I'm racist, therefore everyone else is too therefore anyone who objects is a hypocrite. 
    Oldman is a douchebag and its fun to see him getting raked over the coals.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    That's really great to see, hopefully that's the end of it and no more column inches will be given to the matter. The Guardian in particular has disappointed me by publishing multiple opinion pieces critical of Oldman based on nothing. If it was up to them he would have gone the way as Franco.
    I don't know what The Guardian has posted on Oldman but this is the man that defended that POS snake Gibson by claiming we've  all said racist/anti-Semitic things so anyone who is offended is a hypocrite. 
    Typical old man thinking: I'm racist, therefore everyone else is too therefore anyone who objects is a hypocrite. 
    Oldman is a douchebag and its fun to see him getting raked over the coals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    NI24 wrote: »
    I don't know what The Guardian has posted on Oldman but this is the man that defended that POS snake Gibson by claiming we've  all said racist/anti-Semitic things so anyone who is offended is a hypocrite. 
    Typical old man thinking: I'm racist, therefore everyone else is too therefore anyone who objects is a hypocrite. 
    Oldman is a douchebag and its fun to see him getting raked over the coals.

    Even though he didn't actually do anything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    NI24 wrote: »
    I don't know what The Guardian has posted on Oldman but this is the man that defended that POS snake Gibson by claiming we've  all said racist/anti-Semitic things so anyone who is offended is a hypocrite. 
    Typical old man thinking: I'm racist, therefore everyone else is too therefore anyone who objects is a hypocrite. 
    Oldman is a douchebag and its fun to see him getting raked over the coals.

    'Typical old man thinking?' Dude, are you being ageist and misandrist right now? Come on. Stephen Hawking was an old man too (RIP) but his thinking was far greater as his time went on than yours or mine is now. Don't be an ageist jerk.

    Secondly, as Oldman's son said, he didn't do anything. He wouldn't defend an abuser. Gary has said dumb things, but actors are generally dumb and hypocritical, people write their lines to make them look smart.

    He's being accused of crimes he didn't commit, by someone with a probable vendetta who people can see through.

    Anyways, Brendan O'Connor is trying to defend Al Porter with his 'written off at 24' spiel, defends Hook too (but Hooks comments were words, and a fictional part of a book he wrote that people tried to use to defame him-not in the same league of Al's).
    People have had careers ruined at much younger ages than 24, for much less. Lindsay Lohan was 21 and unemployable due to erratic behaviour. Megan Fox at 22/23 was fired by Spielberg and Michael Bay for comparing the latter to Hitler. And lets not forget Elizabeth Berkley, doomed to career anonymity after Showgirls, and she was also 22/23. (I see Shia Laboeuf going the way of anonymity after his several arrests, his recent on involved racism-so...career caput).

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/tv/2304442/cutting-edge-brendan-o-connor-love-al-porter-george-hook-on-show-again/

    Al should be delighted he got away with his terrible comedy for so long-but his assaults are not in the least dependable.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    NI24 wrote: »
    I don't know what The Guardian has posted on Oldman but this is the man that defended that POS snake Gibson by claiming we've  all said racist/anti-Semitic things so anyone who is offended is a hypocrite. 
    Typical old man thinking: I'm racist, therefore everyone else is too therefore anyone who objects is a hypocrite. 
    Oldman is a douchebag and its fun to see him getting raked over the coals.

    You darn kids with your pop music and your permissive society. I suppose you think you're "groovy" and "with it"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Hate when people are reductive on these threads and compare crimes or say **** like 'if the genders were reversed' stfu.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭HandsomeBob


    NI24 wrote: »
    I don't know what The Guardian has posted on Oldman but this is the man that defended that POS snake Gibson by claiming we've  all said racist/anti-Semitic things so anyone who is offended is a hypocrite. 
    Typical old man thinking: I'm racist, therefore everyone else is too therefore anyone who objects is a hypocrite. 
    Oldman is a douchebag and its fun to see him getting raked over the coals.

    He is a fcukwit, no arguing there.....but fcukwits can come at all ages and regardless of where they fall on the gender spectrum.

    Here is one such article, I'll try to find more as others weren't completely dedicated to Oldman but this one more or less was, calling out the hypocrisy of Hollwood for not condemning the likes of him and Kobe Bryant.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/09/me-too-movement-hollywood-awards-gary-oldman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    He is a fcukwit, no arguing there.....but fcukwits can come at all ages and regardless of where they fall on the gender spectrum.

    Here is one such article, I'll try to find more as others weren't completely dedicated to Oldman but this one more or less was, calling out the hypocrisy of Hollwood for not condemning the likes of him and Kobe Bryant.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/09/me-too-movement-hollywood-awards-gary-oldman

    That article is pretty annoying, especially about the cancellation of female led shows - it seems we'll no longer be able to say that a show was cancelled because it didn't find its audience and get the viewerships figures needed, now it will be because the studio heads who finance the shows in the hope of profiteering from them and the people watching programmes looking for something interesting are all sexist…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Bought Rose's book on Amazon and it arrived today.

    Just had to read the whole recounting of her first meeting of Harvey, the aftermath with Affleck, and then how she engaged with both in the forthcoming years. Be interested in reading about the cult years too. Assuming she goes into all that of course.

    Will post back with a review in 12 months (I'm a slow reader :p)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    That article is pretty annoying, especially about the cancellation of female led shows - it seems we'll no longer be able to say that a show was cancelled because it didn't find its audience and get the viewerships figures needed, now it will be because the studio heads who finance the shows in the hope of profiteering from them and the people watching programmes looking for something interesting are all sexist…

    The Guardian is in a death spiral and this kind of trash is their attempt to keep their heads above water while clinging onto the belief that they can go full retard and still survive

    "but some say" *insert wild accusation that journa can't back up" always a classic :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Bambi wrote: »
    The Guardian is in a death spiral and this kind of trash is their attempt to keep their heads above water while clinging onto the belief that they can go full retard and still survive

    "but some say" *insert wild accusation that journa can't back up" always a classic :D

    The actual journalism in the Guardian can be fantastic - I love 'The Long Read' articles that they do which are usually a fascinating dissection of a topic - it's the Op Ed pieces that are almost always fúcking awful.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Bambi wrote: »
    The Guardian is in a death spiral and this kind of trash is their attempt to keep their heads above water while clinging onto the belief that they can go full retard and still survive

    "but some say" *insert wild accusation that journa can't back up" always a classic :D
    The actual journalism in the Guardian can be fantastic - I love 'The Long Read' articles that they do which are usually a fascinating dissection of a topic - it's the Op Ed pieces that are almost always fúcking awful.

    Agreed. Much of the Guardian's content is really high quality and interesting. It's not going anywhere. A few clickbaity writers on the payroll won't sink it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »

    Nope, Jimmy Kimmel had George Takei on his show the other night-one alleged sexual assaulter mocking another alleged sexual assaulter.

    http://time.com/5199137/jimmy-kimmel-rex-tillerson-plates-george-takei/

    It goes to show how quickly these 'movements' are dying. It's either one for all, all for one. Personally, one could argue that the Katy Perry incident is scumbaggy, but then again, when Steve Tyler was on the show, his comments, notably those he made towards teenage girls, were sorta celebrated with a 'that's our Steve'.
    It's kind of hilarious, how Perry was acting all 'woke' and is now accused of assault...
    Shows how 'feminists' who demand equality, don't like it when they're treated equally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    I think lumping what Katy Perry did in with all this is nonsense tbh.

    It's a kiss on the lips, are we really that precious now.

    I'd feel the same the other way too and yeah, for sure, a bigger deal would be made had it been a guy with a girl, but let's not bring ourselves down to their level just because we know certain circles would be up in arms if the sexes were reversed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I think lumping what Katy Perry did in with all this is nonsense tbh.

    It's a kiss on the lips, are we really that precious now.

    I'd feel the same the other way too and yeah, for sure, a bigger deal would be made had it been a guy with a girl, but let's not bring ourselves down to their level just because we know certain circles would be up in arms if the sexes were reversed.

    Weren't some women complaining about similar things, forced kissing, etc. from actors?
    Hell, they absolutely went insane when Catherine Deneuve defended 'men's right to steal a kiss'. Now Perry has done the exact thing they condemned DeNeuve for saying.

    https://www.wikitribune.com/story/2018/01/10/gender/anti-metoo-letter-defends-mens-right-to-steal-a-kiss/34618/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    http://variety.com/2018/film/news/terry-gilliam-metoo-mob-rule-1202728819/

    Terry Gilliam is calling 'Metoo' a 'Mob rule' mentality. While folks are doing the 'this is the end of Gilliams career' stuff, what they failed to pay attention to is this quote.
    Despite describing the #MeToo movement as “simplistic” and “silly,” he still said Weinstein was “a monster” and warned there were still other people in the industry behaving like him. “I don’t think Hollywood will change, power always takes advantage — it always does and always has,” Gilliam said.

    And now the president of the Oscars academy is accused of harassment.

    http://variety.com/2018/biz/news/john-bailey-sexual-harassment-academy-president-1202728864/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    I think lumping what Katy Perry did in with all this is nonsense tbh.

    It's a kiss on the lips, are we really that precious now.

    I'd feel the same the other way too and yeah, for sure, a bigger deal would be made had it been a guy with a girl, but let's not bring ourselves down to their level just because we know certain circles would be up in arms if the sexes were reversed.
    That is fair. What she did was indeed tame.

    However it is also fair to compare the episode to some of the other '#metoo' scutter that has been bandied about.

    RabbleRouser2k's posts are just great in this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Weren't some women complaining about similar things, forced kissing, etc. from actors?
    Hell, they absolutely went insane when Catherine Deneuve defended 'men's right to steal a kiss'. Now Perry has done the exact thing they condemned DeNeuve for saying.

    https://www.wikitribune.com/story/2018/01/10/gender/anti-metoo-letter-defends-mens-right-to-steal-a-kiss/34618/

    Yup, it was me earlier in the thread who didn't have a lot of time for Deneuve's outdated musings, and this Katy Perry incident I would see in similar light; the man obviously felt uncomfortable at her intrusion into his space and his face, and I feel for him. She shouldn't have done it, it is inconsiderate, classless and wrong, and it would be great if she at least learned something from the incident. I don't condone her "stealing a kiss" from him any more than I would if the genders were reversed - no way.

    Who the heck lays their hands or their lips on other people without having the werewithal of following some basic social cues - such as don't do it to a stranger or to someone you really can't be sure if they are going to like it at all? The depressing answer to that seems to, unfortunately, be - quite a lot of people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    That is fair. What she did was indeed tame.

    However it is also fair to compare the episode to some of the other '#metoo' scutter that has been bandied about.

    RabbleRouser2k's posts are just great in this thread.

    *tips fedora* :)

    You'd think she'd keep her head down, it's the same week she was accused of accidentally killing a nun. (Yes, I'm exaggerating for a dark joke).

    There's been a great deal of 'this guy is evil...but excuse this guy/ gal'. If you look at how the Aziz Anzari 'defenders' tried to pull the 'it's not the same' when it was far worse than others were accused of, many of whom suffered severe punishments such as firings or advertising deals pulled.
    seenitall wrote: »
    Yup, it was me earlier in the thread who didn't have a lot of time for Deneuve's outdated musings, and this Katy Perry incident I would see in similar light; the man obviously felt uncomfortable at her intrusion into his space and his face, and I feel for him. She shouldn't have done it, it is inconsiderate, classless and wrong, and it would be great if she at least learned something from the incident. I don't condone her "stealing a kiss" from him any more than I would if the genders were reversed - no way.

    Who the heck lays their hands or their lips on other people without having the werewithal of following some basic social cues - such as don't do it to a stranger or to someone you really can't be sure if they are going to like it at all? The depressing answer to that seems to, unfortunately, be - quite a lot of people.

    Yeah, that's what bothers me. As well as the 'peck on cheek' where she intentionally lured him in.
    Also, some of those condemning him for saying it was a non-consensual encounter are saying he's only complaining because he didn't get through to the next round on American Idol.
    That's like saying many of the 'metoo' folks who were groped are only complaining because they never won an Oscar.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Well, Ellen Barkin has now made an accusation against Terry Gilliam.

    https://twitter.com/EllenBarkin/status/975133466235777024


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Germaine Greer calling the women at the center of the #metoo scandal 'career rapees' and also saying metoo amounts to nothing.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5523475/Feminist-Germaine-Greer-suggests-victims-career-rapees.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,986 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    He never took offense to it being done to him either :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Robin Williams groped co-star Pam Dawber but she never took offense to it

    http://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/robin-williams-mork-mindy-sexual-abuse-groping-1201942547/


    Yeah but Pam Dawber doesn’t seem to be criticising him if you read what she said about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Germaine Greer calling the women at the center of the #metoo scandal 'career rapees' and also saying metoo amounts to nothing.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5523475/Feminist-Germaine-Greer-suggests-victims-career-rapees.html

    Yeah but Pam Dawber doesn’t seem to be criticising him if you read what she said about it.
    You've quoted the wrong post but you're quite right.

    Mountain out of a molehill and as with many of the other half-truth accusations and insinuations, only serves to dilute and diminish worthwhile cases.


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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Robin Williams groped co-star Pam Dawber but she never took offense to it

    http://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/robin-williams-mork-mindy-sexual-abuse-groping-1201942547/

    This seems to be at the heart of some of these incidents and how they're not all comparable. The intent is key.

    I guess Dawber knew that whatever he got up to he knew she'd take it in the spirit it was intended, and his intent was never to humiliate, intimidate, assault, harass, exert power over or embarrass, unlike what we hear about Weinstein.

    Knowing your audience has a lot to do with it, intent is the rest of it. Some people seem to misjudge clumsily (Aziz Ansari), some know others will happily play along (Williams) and some have motivations that come from a very dark place of power and entitlement and a need to demean and demand and humiliate (Weinstein).


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    Candie wrote: »
    This seems to be at the heart of some of these incidents and how they're not all comparable. The intent is key.

    Intent is important. There's a couple of things I did when I was very young that make me cringe when I think of them. The people involved seemed to take it as it was intended at the time and all the rest so hopefully it's all fine. Still makes me facepalm though. :pac:


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    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Yeah but Pam Dawber doesn’t seem to be criticising him if you read what she said about it.

    Yes she didn't take offense to it, claims "it was so much fun"

    I wonder now though will other storys about RW come out which were taken offensively


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    I'm sure Williams is being cancelled on Twitter as we speak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    He never took offense to it being done to him either :p


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    I know there was another instance where Billy Crystal grabbed his crotch-it was shown on a comic relief setpiece or something.
    Intent is important. There's a couple of things I did when I was very young that make me cringe when I think of them. The people involved seemed to take it as it was intended at the time and all the rest so hopefully it's all fine. Still makes me facepalm though. :pac:

    I think it's similar to how we make really distasteful jokes with friends that we wouldn't make with a stranger-and that's just camaraderie, in a way.
    It's when social cues aren't read, or when you don't know the personal humour of a person, that you don't make those jokes/ comments. Also, one can have a 'dry' sense of humour that one person will pick up on, and another will think is you saying something seriously-which has happened to me more than once, and you quickly have to clarify your position.

    This is different to groping, for sure-even putting your hand on someone's shoulder as a reassurance can also be interpreted in a sinister way by someone who's not a close friend.

    Williams clearly knew what he was doing-as other's said, it was nothing compared to Weinstein and co.


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