Che Guevara features on new €1 stamp issued by An Post

Ulysses Gaze

A Little Pony wrote: »

He didn't believe in democracy, why are some Irish people all over him as if he would approve of the Irish state? He would want a communist dictatorship implemented. People should really apply some thinking before just jumping on board the wagon.

Because he was a Marxist/Communist.

And there are some delusional people who, despite all evidence to the contrary, believe that Communism/Marxism will actually work and improve lives.

I guess if the mass murder of people who disagree with the Marxist-Leninist/Communist idoelogy is improving lives, maybe....

A Little Pony

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.

Shemale

Ffs, no Irish people left to put on stamps?

Its like the granny rule all over again, representing Ireland wearing 100, Cha Guevara

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dav3

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Got mine today anyway.

It looks impressive. I tried getting some last night, but they were all sold out, thankfully they're back in stock, for now.

The outrage gang are helping to drive it's popularity and in doing so, helping it to become one of the most popular releases ever from An Post. Which in turn will hopefully reverse any planned closures of post offices around the country.

Everyones a winner, apart from the whiners.

Ipso

The other hilarious thing is that people complain about the US blockade (even though it is hypocritical and they have no problem dealing with the Saudis etc) having an impact on Cuba.
Are they admitting that the ideology that is in direct contrast to capitalism needs capitalism in order to work.

A Little Pony

Ipso wrote: »

The other hilarious thing is that people complain about the US blockade (even though it is hypocritical and they have no problem dealing with the Saudis etc) having an impact on Cuba.
Are they admitting that the ideology that is in direct contrast to capitalism needs capitalism in order to work.

Why are people getting away from Cuba in rafts if it's so fantastic and liberating? Guevara sold snake oil dripped in blood.

Tom Mann Centuria

dav3 wrote: »

It looks impressive. I tried getting some last night, but they were all sold out, thankfully they're back in stock, for now.

The outrage gang are helping to drive it's popularity and in doing so, helping it to become one of the most popular releases ever from An Post. Which in turn will hopefully reverse any planned closures of post offices around the country.

Everyones a winner, apart from the whiners.

Yeah, I'm pleased with it, nice little card they put in with all first day covers, with technical info on the one side, and a brief background on the image on the other.

20Cent

A Little Pony wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.

super_furry

People seem to be ignoring that the image used is probably the most well known and iconic work of art by any Irish artist ever.

Ipso

20Cent wrote: »

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.

One sh1t regime doesn't justify another and it certainly doesn't justify the fawning the subsequent one (the one that practically had to be subsidized by the Soviet empire).

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Rumpy Pumpy

Urban Zulu Collective wrote: »

Just lol at the eternal student types worshiping Che.

I think that’s it in a nutshell. Rage Against the Machine types. Some of the better funded of this type get to become professional socialists (Paul Murphy), but the majority just become those lads who were involved in student politics and never got out of the outrage death spiral. Lots of long hair, hoodies, wallet chains, bad facial hair choices, badges on backpacks, low end jobs or a reliance on the State to keep them in education, jealousy and resentment towards the folks funding their lifestyle choices.

Not sure there is a cure for this if not effectively treated before the age of 28.

A Little Pony

20Cent wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.

20Cent

A Little Pony wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.[/quote]

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.

A Little Pony

20Cent wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.[/quote]

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.[/quote]
That makes it alright then, if it's Red it must be OK.

Ol' Donie

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It's all relative. If I was on the top level of job seekers benefit, and I spent every single cent on my mortgage, it wouldn't cover it.

Every person in Cuba is given a house or apartment by the state.

Permabear

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20Cent

A Little Pony wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.[/quote]

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.[/quote]
That makes it alright then, if it's Red it must be OK.[/quote]

Nope elections would have been better. But considering the circumstances can see why the revolution happened.

20Cent

A Little Pony wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.[/quote]

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.[/quote]
That makes it alright then, if it's Red it must be OK.[/quote]

Nope elections would have been better. But considering the circumstances can see why the revolution happened.

20Cent

Permabear wrote: »

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International controversy. Hyperbole much

Since youre not in Ireland you wouldn't know but no one gives a crap.

Sheeps

Permabear wrote: »

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Not true actually. There was plenty of food everywhere in Cuba. It was a bit bland for the regular Cuban, but Cubans aren't exactly hungry. Given the fact that there are chickens running around literally everywhere, there certainly was no shortage of eggs. Not sure where you are getting your information from.

Ipso

20Cent wrote: »

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.

One dictatorship good, other dictatorship bad.

Ipso

20Cent wrote: »

Nope elections would have been better. But considering the circumstances can see why the revolution happened.

Right, no one is defending the Batista regime just criticizing the basket case that came afterwards.

Permabear

Permabear wrote: »

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Lets get Batista's family descendants back in then. They'll fix the place sharpish.....

20Cent

Sheeps wrote: »

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Not true actually. There was plenty of food everywhere in Cuba. It was a bit bland for the regular Cuban, but Cubans aren't exactly hungry. Given the fact that there are chickens running around literally everywhere, there certainly was no shortage of eggs. Not sure where you are getting your information from.[/quote]

Probably the same place he got the fake vampire Castro story.

20Cent

Ipso wrote: »

20Cent wrote: »

Nope elections would have been better. But considering the circumstances can see why the revolution happened.

Right, no one is defending the Batista regime just criticizing the basket case that came afterwards.

It became a basket case because of the US embargo. Without that there would have been elections and no need to involve Russia.

Permabear

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Ipso

20Cent wrote: »

It became a basket case because of the US embargo. Without that there would have been elections and no need to involve Russia.

But they rejected capitalism and adopted socialism and self sufficiency, so socialism won't work without capitalism.

20Cent

Permabear wrote: »

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Have you been to Cuba?



Los Angeles

20Cent

Ipso wrote: »

But they rejected capitalism and adopted socialism and self sufficiency, so socialism won't work without capitalism.

You don't seem to know what socialism is.
Nothing to do with not having imports or exports.

Tom Mann Centuria

Manchester

Fred Swanson

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Ipso

20Cent wrote: »

You don't seem to know what socialism is.
Nothing to do with not having imports or exports.

Apart from it not working anywhere ever, you tell me then.

Ipso

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Vote for the ULA.

Permabear

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Ulysses Gaze

20Cent wrote: »

You don't seem to know what socialism is.
Nothing to do with not having imports or exports.

But sure they were members of COMECON along with their International Socialist/Marxist/Communist brethern.

Surely this all powerful, economically prosperous International Brotherhood of Socialists/Communists/Marxists was powerful enough to override any sanctions imposed by those pesky Capitalist Pig-Dogs....

Ol' Donie

Fred Swanson wrote: »

I hope my digs are better than that. :eek:

Are you going to Cuba?

Fred Swanson

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Permabear

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Ol' Donie

Permabear wrote: »

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Eesh. December must have been a rough month, I was there in November, you could get beer or soda anywhere, on or off the beaten track.

dav3

Permabear wrote: »

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-of-homeless-children-in-ireland-over-3-000-for-first-time-1.3238280

The number of homeless children across the State has risen above 3,000 for the first time, latest figures from the Department of Housing show.

Oh boy, roll on the FG budget tomorrow.

20Cent

Permabear wrote: »

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Oh, I'm sure that as a comparatively wealthy Western tourist, you'll be able to stay in a nice hotel, eat in good restaurants, and come home to tell us all about how amazing the quality of life in Cuba is ... as long as you're not Cuban, that is.[/quote]

Most visitors to Cuba stay in private homes B&B type accommodation.

A Little Pony

20Cent wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.[/quote]

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.[/quote]
That makes it alright then, if it's Red it must be OK.[/quote]

Nope elections would have been better. But considering the circumstances can see why the revolution happened.[/quote]
Wait a minute, it's been well over 50 years since the revolution  and the people of Cuba still have no right to vote, no democracy. I don't know what some people are trying to prove here by arguing against these facts.

Permabear

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Sheeps

Permabear wrote: »

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I was well off the beaten track, eating in places Cubans eat, and the supply was plentiful, variety was not. I assume you've been there, or do you usually just find an article that slightly conforms to your view of the world and use that as your excuse not to check it out?

A Little Pony

To the people who love Cuba would you want Ireland to be a one party Marxist-Leninist state? It's almost as if people want to support the theory, the ideology but don't want to live it. Which makes it absolutely null and void to begin with. So you do have to question the supporters of Marxism.

20Cent

A Little Pony wrote: »

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The Cubans who are struggling to live on rationed food (enjoy your five eggs per month, comrade, and good luck finding milk, butter, ketchup, pasta, sausages, or potatoes) and earning $25/month must love the sight of comparatively wealthy Western tourists coming along to pay tribute to the revered revolutionary Che Guevara with a stamp that costs a whole euro -- that's 20 percent of the average Cuban weekly wage.[/quote]
It is laughable and so sad, you could literally weep for the people in this thread. What was so liberating about him? The Cuban people don't live in a democracy, they can't change their own government, who governs you is arguably the most people thing in any country. I don't see the liberation, if by liberation you mean destroying private property and completely denying the people the choice on who they want to govern them, then some 'liberation'.

According to Che Guevara you would not be allowed to own private property, what is freedom loving about that? Why should I if I work hard and want to earn money and make my life better not be allowed to do that and own my own property? Do people not think about these things?

He would hate that Ireland is a democracy, the Irish people choose who they want to govern them via the ballot box.[/quote]

Do you know what Cuba was like before Castro? It was a liberation.[/quote]
A liberation which denied people the vote to change the government if they so wish. If you changed the Red flag and put a Swasitka on it you would call it fascism. If it's a red flag it means democracy is not important, you shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the chance to change your government. Utterly ridiculous and people still fall for it. 

Can you imagine if tomorrow it was declared that the Irish people weren't allowed to vote in elections and have the option to change the current government as it is in the Dail? Would be uproar but wrap a Red flag around that concept and it's fine to some people, wake up.[/quote]

They couldn't vote before the revolution either.[/quote]
That makes it alright then, if it's Red it must be OK.[/quote]

Nope elections would have been better. But considering the circumstances can see why the revolution happened.[/quote]
Wait a minute, it's been well over 50 years since the revolution  and the people of Cuba still have no right to vote, no democracy. I don't know what some people are trying to prove here by arguing against these facts.[/quote]

Thought the thread was about Che Guevara who died in 1967.

Sheeps

A Little Pony wrote: »

To the people who love Cuba would you want Ireland to be a one party Marxist-Leninist state? It's almost as if people want to support the theory, the ideology but don't want to live it. Which makes it absolutely null and void to begin with. So you do have to question the supporters of Marxism.

You don't have to be a Marxist to have enjoyed your time in a communist country, or to appreciate (or in this case, simply not take issue with) a stamp.