Landlord charges €1 per 15 mins on Washer & Dryer

Pintman Paddy Losty

OP, you are a guest in the owners house. If you don't like the setup you are free to leave.

I'd be careful about going whinging to the owner about it. If they don't like having you live in their house they can turf you out on a whim.

Pelvis

This is the same in my place, though I'm not a licensee, and it doesn't cost as much. Typically €4 to €6 will wash and dry your clothes, shortest cycle is 2 hours, and an hour is enough in the drier for me.

I don't really have an issue with paying, my main issue is the fact that there's only one washing machine and drier shared between at least 6 flats. It's ridiculous.

astrofool

steddyeddy wrote: »

ntlhell?

ntlhell was a poster who always became whatever person could speak most authoritatively on a subject, a doctor on illness forums, a builder on DIY forums etc.

Mango Joe

OP make sure that you and anyone else living there never, ever uses this system. This will mean they wasted their money buying this meter and paying for it to be installed.

- This wasted cash will upset them to an unimaginable, heart-rending extent as they are miserable, tight, insufferable, penny-pinching ahhrseholes.

Also you should research and execute every subtly passive means of introducing irritants and inconveniences into their lives by stealth as you live in their midst.

Start by making sure that the remote control can only ever be found after a 15-20 search and any really good match that's set to be recorded 'accidentally' fails after 4 minutes, ring all of the local evangelical churches and ask them to call to the house at the worst possible times to spread Gods word - that kind of thing.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Mango Joe wrote: »

OP make sure that you and anyone else living there never, ever uses this system. This will mean they wasted their money buying this meter and paying for it to be installed.

- This wasted cash will upset them to an unimaginable, heart-rending extent as they are miserable, tight, insufferable, penny-pinching ahhrseholes.

Also you should research and execute every subtly passive means of introducing irritants and inconveniences into their lives by stealth as you live in their midst.

Start by making sure that the remote control can only ever be found after a 15-20 search and any really good match that's set to be recorded 'accidentally' fails after 4 minutes, ring all of the local evangelical churches and ask them to call to the house at the worst possible times to spread Gods word - that kind of thing.

If I was an owner occupier and you were my licensee, you would be out on your ear in jig time. You could hide the remote all you wanted when you were back in the parents house.

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

If every housemate used a small, portable heater when cold, the combined cost would likely add up to more than the cost of using gas heating.

Stingy folk tend to be pretty short-sighted a lot of the time.

The heater made virtually zero difference to the bills. I went through the ESB bill in detail every two months to ensure it wasn't increasing and the average cost of the bill was exactly the same before and after I started using the heater. It might get a 30 minute usage an odd day here and there. The thing was not being left on or being used all the time. Far more efficient than heating the full house (especially as I was there in on my own a lot of the time).

Anyway I don't need it anymore, no longer housesharing and I have a fire and access to large amounts of free fuel for it so I can have a nice warm living room with minimal gas usage.

cbreeze

When I was growing up there was a family of eight living up the road who had no such thing as a washing machine or clothes dryer. The mother would put all the clothes in the bath with a few scoops of 'Rinso' and relays of kids would take it in turns to march up and down the bath for the wash and rinse cycle. They got their feet washed at the same time. The wash was then put through a hand-operated wringer and put out on the line.

Neyite

cbreeze wrote: »

When I was growing up there was a family of eight living up the road who had no such thing as a washing machine or clothes dryer. The mother would put all the clothes in the bath with a few scoops of 'Rinso' and relays of kids would take it in turns to march up and down the bath for the wash and rinse cycle. They got their feet washed at the same time. The wash was then put through a hand-operated wringer and put out on the line.

Even that's got to be better than an overloaded quick wash at 30 degrees

CruelCoin

flaneur wrote: »

Add to that if it's a shared machine, is going to be spreading bugs from one load to the next and the cycles are so short that it might even include bodily fluids ...

jesus, what do you think people are trying to wash?

steddyeddy

CruelCoin wrote: »

jesus, what do you think people are trying to wash?

Who knows? It's certainly not going to kill odorous bacteria at that temperature.

L1011

CruelCoin wrote: »

jesus, what do you think people are trying to wash?

If your underwear has never had any bodily fluid or bacteria in it, you are probably washing yourself in a 60 degree wash cycle a few times a day!

riffmongous

If the electricity is included in the rent.. you can always do a few handwashes in the sink, it might encourage him to negotiate on the price

Pawwed Rig

Just worked out at the rates the OP is paying would cost me about €90 per week. Our washing machine easily runs for 16-20 hours a week and the dryer runs about 6 hours. OP probably doesn't have vomity and pooey kids to deal with though.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Who knows? It's certainly not going to kill odorous bacteria at that temperature.

Well I can an confirm that clothes come out totally clean and fresh from the wash. Like many things people here are claiming a 30 degree wash is no good yet how can they know when they haven't ever used it to wash the clothes in question yet somehow know "they aren't clean" :rolleyes:

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Just worked out at the rates the OP is paying would cost me about €90 per week. Our washing machine easily runs for 16-20 hours a week and the dryer runs about 6 hours. OP probably doesn't have vomity and pooey kids to deal with though.

20 hours a week :eek:? Between two of us I'd say it would take 3 months to rack up 20 hrs on the machine. Different of course with kids but it still appears a lot.

awec

Mekhi Cuddly Minus wrote: »

Well I can an confirm that clothes come out totally clean and fresh from the wash. Like many things people here are claiming a 30 degree wash is no good yet how can they know when they haven't ever used it to wash the clothes in question yet somehow know "they aren't clean" :rolleyes:

It's fairly straightforward science.

I know that if I boil a spud for 10 seconds it isn't going to be cooked, I don't need to actually do it to know.

Similarly I know that the 30 degree quick wash isn't going to properly clean clothes, bed linen and whatever else. It might look clean, it may even smell like your lovely fabric softener, but it isn't really clean.

Pawwed Rig

Mekhi Cuddly Minus wrote: »

20 hours a week :eek:? Between two of us I'd say it would take 3 months to rack up 20 hrs on the machine. Different of course with kids but it still appears a lot.

5 or 6 washes in the week would rack up that time easily. The eco wash option tends to add an hour to each cycle.

Pintman Paddy Losty

The way people go on here you'd think you're a walking bio hazard if you're not boil washing all your clothes. :rolleyes:

Lots of precious souls in here. Must have very weak immune systems living in such a sterile environment.

steddyeddy

Mekhi Cuddly Minus wrote: »

Well I can an confirm that clothes come out totally clean and fresh from the wash. Like many things people here are claiming a 30 degree wash is no good yet how can they know when they haven't ever used it to wash the clothes in question yet somehow know "they aren't clean" :rolleyes:

Back off man, I'm a scientist to quote a hero of mine. Bacteria don't die at thirty degrees. In other words they don't die at room temperature. You sound very young judging by the mother comments, however it may be a good idea to learn how to wash properly yourself before you comment on how other people wash, live and how they aspire to live their lives.

steddyeddy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The way people go on here you'd think you're a walking bio hazard if you're not boil washing all your clothes. :rolleyes:

Lots of precious souls in here. Must have very weak immune systems living in such a sterile environment.

No, it's just revulsion at a very unhygienic practice and the insistence that we should all live that way.

Pintman Paddy Losty

steddyeddy wrote: »

No, it's just revulsion at a very unhygienic practice and the insistence that we should all live that way.

Tosh.

A 30 degree wash will remove all but the heaviest of soiling. They will not smell and a rinse after removes any detergent.

It mightnt kill all the dreaded terrufying bacteria but most people don't go around the place in constant fear of germs.

Some people here would be better investing in sterilized cocoon like the bubble boy if they're so terrified of germs.

steddyeddy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Tosh.

A 30 degree wash will remove all but the heaviest of soiling. They will not smell and a rinse after removes any detergent.

It mightnt kill all the dreaded terrufying bacteria but most people don't go around the place in constant fear of germs.

Some people here would be better investing in sterilized cocoon like the bubble boy if they're so terrified of germs.

It's not about the epidemiological effects of bacteria, it's to do with the smell caused by bacteria.

_Dara_

steddyeddy wrote: »

Back off man, I'm a scientist to quote a hero of mine. Bacteria don't die at thirty degrees. In other words they don't die at room temperature. You sound very young judging by the mother comments, however it may be a good idea to learn how to wash properly yourself before you comment on how other people wash, live and how they aspire to live their lives.

Well, in fairness, bacteria and detergent aren’t mates at any temperature but a in a quick, full, cool wash, I can’t see the detergenty water infiltrating thoroughly.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

awec wrote: »

Higher temperatures and longer cycles exist on a washing machine for a reason. A quick wash is great for the slightly dirty t-shirts but if that is all you ever use to wash your shirts you wear all day etc then eventually they're just going to smell.

It's not gross at all. Higher temperatures are not for killing germs in your bed linen. Powder, which was commonly used, does not dissolve well at lower temperatures. With liquid, higher temperatures are not needed.

the_syco wrote: »

Since they're renting only the room; where will they be installing the washing machine?

The poster who said that didn't mention it was rent a room.

The_Conductor wrote: »

I could show you pictures of units in 4 EU countries that I or a sibling have rented and I could show you a picture of the coin operated unit my eldest sister tore out of her house in Joburg when she bought it. Its cheap penny pinching and brings an entirely new meaning to the word 'meanness'- however, its far from just being an Irish phenomenon.

You see it as penny pinching, I see it as an alternative to purchasing a 500 euro machine. My house has a coin machine and dryer. It's 1 euro per cycle per machine. It's a service and a great one at that.

steddyeddy

_Dara_ wrote: »

Well, in fairness, bacteria and detergent aren’t mates at any temperature but a in a quick, full, cool wash, I can’t see the detergenty water infiltrating thoroughly.

Actually there's less detergent because some powders contain thermophillic enzymes that degrade fats.

the_syco

Lilith Harsh Scandal wrote: »

the_syco wrote: »

Lilith Harsh Scandal wrote: »

Madden Agreeable Rainbow wrote: »

Also if I was renting a room and you tired to install a washing machine in my house you would be given about 5 mins to clear out your room and get out.

Why? What's so terrible about your tenant installing a washing machine? Seems like a bit of an over reaction. You are obliged to give sufficient time to your "guest". Thinking you can do whatever you want and get away with it, is not entirely correct.

Since they're renting only the room; where will they be installing the washing machine?

The poster who said that didn't mention it was rent a room.

If they were renting a room, where would the tenant put the washing machine?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

the_syco wrote: »

If they were renting a room, where would the tenant put the washing machine?

Could be a grand big self contained room

CruelCoin

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually there's less detergent because some powders contain thermophillic enzymes that degrade fats.

Yeesh. Unless you're rolling around with sticks of butter, there is really no need whatsoever to boil your clothes with thermophyllic enzyme eco bubble blah blah blah.

dilallio

El Tarangu wrote: »

Op - if the drying is the most expensive part, buy a clothes-horse for €10(?)

Better for the environment, too

+1

2 fan heaters in your room (you have free electricity there ) along with a clothes horse will sort out more than half the cost of using the expensive meter.
Normally, this would be unfair on the landlord who is paying for the electricity, but in this instance, some may see it as justified.

steddyeddy

CruelCoin wrote: »

Yeesh. Unless you're rolling around with sticks of butter, there is really no need whatsoever to boil your clothes with thermophyllic enzyme eco bubble blah blah blah.

That's the standard CC. Water boils at 40 degrees now?

wonski

The_Conductor wrote: »

I could show you pictures of units in 4 EU countries that I or a sibling have rented and I could show you a picture of the coin operated unit my eldest sister tore out of her house in Joburg when she bought it. Its cheap penny pinching and brings an entirely new meaning to the word 'meanness'- however, its far from just being an Irish phenomenon.

I originally asked who counts it per minute.

Price per minute seems silly to me tbh.

Price per wash sounds fine as long as it is reasonable.

In owner / lodger scenario I would found the whole set up strange though.

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Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Some of the cycles on my washing machine take more than 4 hours. The dryer can take a couple of hours on a large load too.

You really need to review if your wash justifies 4 hours. I can do a wash in 60-90 minutes.

pilly

This thread is hilarious. It turned into an argument about what temperature to wash your clothes at. That's one of the best derailments I've ever seen.

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I find that very hard to believe since the most recent (high end) machine we got has the shortest cycle I've seen on a machine to date (15 mins).

Good to know though as if such machines exist they are to be avoided and it highlights the need to ensure a machine has a very short cycle when buying.

pilly

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I don't think you got the point. :D

OP does not care about how others wash their clothes!!!

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Lux23

We only get charged to use the dryer and I reckon €1 lasts well over an hour, we normally put €2 in for two loads.

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Hitman3000

Car crash of a thread.

fmlarnapairce

Bring your washing down to the laundrette.
Spend 2 hours in the electric shower every day.

pilly

fmlarnapairce wrote:

Bring your washing down to the laundrette. Spend 2 hours in the electric shower every day.

Or do the washing in the shower!

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Its a 30 degree wash cycle, the only one I use on the machine.

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Hitman3000

Daxton Some Musket wrote:

Its a 30 degree wash cycle, the only one I use on the machine.

I admire your ability to kling on to this nonsense.

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If the bills are included in the rent surely this is misleading advertising?

Op should ask for receipts for the machines for his tax returns!!

Graham

Mod Note: folks as fascinating as it is to learn your approach to clean jocks n socks, it's not helping the OP.

Back on topic please.

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Op should ask for receipts for the machines for his tax returns!!

What grounds would he have for reclaiming tax?

Hitman3000

Daxton Some Musket wrote:

What grounds would he have for reclaiming tax?

Probably none, but it might make the landlord wonder what he is going to do with said receipts. Rent a room has a tax free limit I believe.

danmanw8

RogerRabid wrote: »

The electricity is included in the rent, but we were told initially that it cost 3 euro to use the machines. This was expensive anyway, but it turns out to cost more than that.

That's definitely not right, especially as you're paying for electricity. I wouldn't use it.

The_Conductor

Mekhi Cuddly Minus wrote: »

I find that very hard to believe since the most recent (high end) machine we got has the shortest cycle I've seen on a machine to date (15 mins).

Good to know though as if such machines exist they are to be avoided and it highlights the need to ensure a machine has a very short cycle when buying.

FYI- this is the 40 degree cycle on a new Samsung 8kg Ecobubble machine.......