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Oireachtas and Govvie moving again agaist the Residential lettings market (long and s

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  • 09-10-2017 8:46pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭


    The TDs just cannot stop changing regs and want to show they are doing something (even if they know fully well in their reports that the problem is supply). Let's just go into steps:

    1) Motion from the usual socialists: http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2017092800020?opendocument
    "calls on the Government to: ... — introduce new measures to stop the flow of people into homelessness by providing greater protections for private renters.." reading through the lines I can already see their ideas since it was expressed in Jan 17 by the infamous and uncostitutional anti-eviction bill, prohibition of sale, 6 months of compensation to tenant for landlord that needs house for his own family, indefinite tenancies, total lock-down of rents (not even 4%), reduction of no-reason notices periord from 6 months to two months. A total destruction of any private rental market.
    FF amended the motion to request:
    "— commit to greater enforcement and implementation of rent pressure zones and other rent regulations including more staffing and resources for the Residential Tenancies Board;
    — tackle land hoarding by large investors, which is clearly holding back supply including by making changes to capital gains tax and introducing a new site tax to encourage the use of empty sites; and
    — devise new strategies to manage vacant properties including an active occupancy register." They are going control crazy.

    2) Other brilliant ideas and red tape coming from Mr Murphy: http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2017100400078?opendocument#WRK01100
    "On 19 September, I announced that the RTB will be given the powers and resources to take on greater regulatory responsibility in the rental sector over the next two years. As part of this change, the RTB will move towards annual registration of tenancies, which will permit the building of a national rent dataset, allowing the Board to provide benchmark rents for different property types. This enhanced data will be key to understanding trends and behaviour in the rental market as well as informing future policy decisions." So I shall have to re-register the tenancy every year and probably pay the 90 euros every year? Time will soon tell (usually landlords are given such wonderful presents at Christmas time)

    3) Finally I suggest any landlord to read their very recent ideas on short term lettings: http://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_housing_planning_and_local_government/reports/2017/2017-10-05_the-impact-of-short-term-lettings-on-ireland-s-housing-and-rental-market_en.pdf
    That confirm what the Conductor was saying in a thread a few weeks ago. These are the worst ideas coming out of the busybodies at the Oireachtas:
    "that in order to track properties shifting from long term letting to short term letting that landlords be required to provide a reason for a tenancy ending to the Residential Tenancies Board and the local authority", hopefully I can do it online, but I doubt it, these guys really do not want landlords to end tenancies for any reason. What about if my tenant ended it, do they still want the red tape? Probably. We go back to a really socialist and paternalistic idea: adults need protection from the mighty TDs in order to know how to behave properly. Like an authoritarian father they want a reason for everything, so that they can judge our actions.

    Finally the total control of the short term letting market:
    "The Committee recommends
    - that a two level regulatory regime be introduced via primary legislation in  relation to short term lettings with a strict regime of regulations targeted at entire property, short term  commercial lettings at one level, and a less stringent second level focused at those that rent out their own primary residence for a period of 90 days or less per year;
    - that a licencing system be introduced for short term lettings and short term letting platforms; such a system should require platforms to register all hosts with the
    relevant local authority and to share information on letting type, availability and use with the local authority, and the revenue generated by the host with the Office of the Revenue Commissioners;
    - that  casual  short  term  lettings  of  up  to  90  days in  a  given  year  should  be  exempt from  planning  permission.  Any  short  term  letting  in  excess  of  90  days  should require change of use planning permission;
    - that a review of current planning and development laws and regulations should be carried  out  to  establish  whether they are robust enough to prevent abuse of the system;
    - that  local  authorities  begin  strict  enforcement  of  Article  10(4)  and  ensure that Joint Committee on Housing, Planning & Local Government ensure that apartments being   used for short term lettings have the necessary planning permission;
    - that the  working  group engage with stakeholders from other jurisdictions to establish the regulations or amendments they introduced to curb the impact of short term lettings; and
    - that the Memorandum of Understanding between the Department and Airbnb be ceased as the Committee do not believe the Memorandum of Understanding is sufficient or appropriate"
    And finally they want to move everything under the umbrella of the RTB (absolute madness):
    "The Committee recommends
    - that educational material to help inform short term letting hosts of their legal rights and responsibilities be posted on the website of the Residential Tenancies Board;
    - that adequate resources be provided to local authorities in order for them to undertake a systematic inspection and enforcement regime of short term lettings and periodically publish the results of these inspections"

    However you have to understand that the people who gave the brilliant ideas to the TDs are. Notice the partiality of the commission, they only called as "witnesses" (this is a big word, but they should really be called lobbysts) civil servants and NGOs and only two representatives from Airbnb. What about landlord representatives or B&B representatives or non-Dublin councils? Nothing. They took lock, stock and barrell the "reccommendations" of the socialists NGOs and the civil servants: matter closed.

    "APPENDIX 3  LIST OF WITNESSES

    - Department of Housing, Planning, Community & Local Government
    Mr. Earnán O’Cleirigh
    Mr. Andrew Harkin
    Mr. Eamonn Kelly
    Ms. Niamh Drew

    - Dublin City Council
    Mr. Richard Shakespeare
    Dr. Dáithí Downey

    - Focus Ireland
    Mr. Mike Allen
    Ms. Alison Connolly

    - Simon Community
    Mr. Eamonn Tansey

    - Peter McVerry Trust
    Mr Francis Doherty

    - Dr Ronan Lyons

    - Threshold
    Mr. John Mark McCafferty
    Mr. Gavin Elliot

    - AirBnB
    Mr. Patrick Robinson
    Ms. Natasha Mytton-Mills"

    Names need to be exposed, because the actions and interests of these few individuals will affect hundreds of thousands of people. People need to know names and surnames of who is asking for draconian regulations or for stupid red tape. The Irish politicians are hell-bent in destroying any kind of private rental market in Ireland being long or short term. Expect another drastic reduction of private rented accommodation and tenants being screwed even worse, there is no incentive whatsoever to invest and rent out. The Govvie and TDs are "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" :D:D:D Their level incompetence would be laughable if it did not affect hundreds of thousand of people. Of course on the supply side penpushers like the TDs are hardly able to make any progress, you do not build houses with empty promises! It is much easier to pass stupid regulations than to actually build, for which you need to have proper plans, resources and project management, which are sorely missing in the Govvie and TDs in general.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭VonBeanie


    and the person representing the private landlord was ......... oh wait............ nobody


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Names need to be exposed, because the actions and interests of these few individuals will affect hundreds of thousands of people. People need to know names and surnames of who is asking for draconian regulations or for stupid red tape. The Irish politicians are hell-bent in destroying any kind of private rental market in Ireland being long or short term. Expect another drastic reduction of private rented accommodation and tenants being screwed even worse, there is no incentive whatsoever to invest and rent out

    I wonder if any of those named have an answer to the question about what happens to accidental landlords that are paying a mortgage on their property when their tenants overhold and refuse to pay rent.

    One of my neighbours moved jobs and rents elsewhere. Their house near me is now empty and they won't rent it out because it is simply not worth the effort. It's not the only example I know of between the increasing lack of rights, the potential for expensive damage and the punitive tax. An empty house is still going to increase in value over the long term so why bother renting it out, especially in the case of those examples I'm aware of where they never went into negative equity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    GGTrek wrote: »
    The TDs just cannot stop changing regs and want to show they are doing something (even if they know fully well in their reports that the problem is supply). Let's just go into steps:

    1) Motion from the usual socialists: http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2017092800020?opendocument
    "calls on the Government to: ... — introduce new measures to stop the flow of people into homelessness by providing greater protections for private renters.." reading through the lines I can already see their ideas since it was expressed in Jan 17 by the infamous and uncostitutional anti-eviction bill, prohibition of sale, 6 months of compensation to tenant for landlord that needs house for his own family, indefinite tenancies, total lock-down of rents (not even 4%), reduction of no-reason notices periord from 6 months to two months. A total destruction of any private rental market.
    FF amended the motion to request:
    "— commit to greater enforcement and implementation of rent pressure zones and other rent regulations including more staffing and resources for the Residential Tenancies Board;
    — tackle land hoarding by large investors, which is clearly holding back supply including by making changes to capital gains tax and introducing a new site tax to encourage the use of empty sites; and
    — devise new strategies to manage vacant properties including an active occupancy register." They are going control crazy.

    2) Other brilliant ideas and red tape coming from Mr Murphy: http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2017100400078?opendocument#WRK01100
    "On 19 September, I announced that the RTB will be given the powers and resources to take on greater regulatory responsibility in the rental sector over the next two years. As part of this change, the RTB will move towards annual registration of tenancies, which will permit the building of a national rent dataset, allowing the Board to provide benchmark rents for different property types. This enhanced data will be key to understanding trends and behaviour in the rental market as well as informing future policy decisions." So I shall have to re-register the tenancy every year and probably pay the 90 euros every year? Time will soon tell (usually landlords are given such wonderful presents at Christmas time)

    3) Finally I suggest any landlord to read their very recent ideas on short term lettings: http://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_housing_planning_and_local_government/reports/2017/2017-10-05_the-impact-of-short-term-lettings-on-ireland-s-housing-and-rental-market_en.pdf
    That confirm what the Conductor was saying in a thread a few weeks ago. These are the worst ideas coming out of the busybodies at the Oireachtas:
    "that in order to track properties shifting from long term letting to short term letting that landlords be required to provide a reason for a tenancy ending to the Residential Tenancies Board and the local authority", hopefully I can do it online, but I doubt it, these guys really do not want landlords to end tenancies for any reason. What about if my tenant ended it, do they still want the red tape? Probably. We go back to a really socialist and paternalistic idea: adults need protection from the mighty TDs in order to know how to behave properly. Like an authoritarian father they want a reason for everything, so that they can judge our actions.

    Finally the total control of the short term letting market:
    "The Committee recommends
    - that a two level regulatory regime be introduced via primary legislation in  relation to short term lettings with a strict regime of regulations targeted at entire property, short term  commercial lettings at one level, and a less stringent second level focused at those that rent out their own primary residence for a period of 90 days or less per year;
    - that a licencing system be introduced for short term lettings and short term letting platforms; such a system should require platforms to register all hosts with the
    relevant local authority and to share information on letting type, availability and use with the local authority, and the revenue generated by the host with the Office of the Revenue Commissioners;
    - that  casual  short  term  lettings  of  up  to  90  days in  a  given  year  should  be  exempt from  planning  permission.  Any  short  term  letting  in  excess  of  90  days  should require change of use planning permission;
    - that a review of current planning and development laws and regulations should be carried  out  to  establish  whether they are robust enough to prevent abuse of the system;
    - that  local  authorities  begin  strict  enforcement  of  Article  10(4)  and  ensure that Joint Committee on Housing, Planning & Local Government ensure that apartments being   used for short term lettings have the necessary planning permission;
    - that the  working  group engage with stakeholders from other jurisdictions to establish the regulations or amendments they introduced to curb the impact of short term lettings; and
    - that the Memorandum of Understanding between the Department and Airbnb be ceased as the Committee do not believe the Memorandum of Understanding is sufficient or appropriate"
    And finally they want to move everything under the umbrella of the RTB (absolute madness):
    "The Committee recommends
    - that educational material to help inform short term letting hosts of their legal rights and responsibilities be posted on the website of the Residential Tenancies Board;
    - that adequate resources be provided to local authorities in order for them to undertake a systematic inspection and enforcement regime of short term lettings and periodically publish the results of these inspections"

    However you have to understand that the people who gave the brilliant ideas to the TDs are. Notice the partiality of the commission, they only called as "witnesses" (this is a big word, but they should really be called lobbysts) civil servants and NGOs and only two representatives from Airbnb. What about landlord representatives or B&B representatives or non-Dublin councils? Nothing. They took lock, stock and barrell the "reccommendations" of the socialists NGOs and the civil servants: matter closed.

    "APPENDIX 3  LIST OF WITNESSES

    - Department of Housing, Planning, Community & Local Government
    Mr. Earnán O’Cleirigh
    Mr. Andrew Harkin
    Mr. Eamonn Kelly
    Ms. Niamh Drew

    - Dublin City Council
    Mr. Richard Shakespeare
    Dr. Dáithí Downey

    - Focus Ireland
    Mr. Mike Allen
    Ms. Alison Connolly

    - Simon Community
    Mr. Eamonn Tansey

    - Peter McVerry Trust
    Mr Francis Doherty

    - Dr Ronan Lyons

    - Threshold
    Mr. John Mark McCafferty
    Mr. Gavin Elliot

    - AirBnB
    Mr. Patrick Robinson
    Ms. Natasha Mytton-Mills"

    Names need to be exposed, because the actions and interests of these few individuals will affect hundreds of thousands of people. People need to know names and surnames of who is asking for draconian regulations or for stupid red tape. The Irish politicians are hell-bent in destroying any kind of private rental market in Ireland being long or short term. Expect another drastic reduction of private rented accommodation and tenants being screwed even worse, there is no incentive whatsoever to invest and rent out. The Govvie and TDs are "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" :D:D:D Their level incompetence would be laughable if it did not affect hundreds of thousand of people. Of course on the supply side penpushers like the TDs are hardly able to make any progress, you do not build houses with empty promises! It is much easier to pass stupid regulations than to actually build, for which you need to have proper plans, resources and project management, which are sorely missing in the Govvie and TDs in general.

    When renting my property out recently I received an email from a Stephanie Grazenberger, purporting to seek accommodation for herself.

    Turns out she works for the Peter McVerry Trust - these people are playing very dirty, snooping on properties and trying to entrap landlords into saying online they won't accept HAP.


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