Hey Leo? Why do I bother getting up in the morning?

pilly

Shemale wrote:

You have used a word you musnt know the meaning of, I live in a modest 3 bed terrace, my wife has a 10 year old car that we share, I buy 90% of my clothes in a charity shop, my wife and I have only been away for a night in the last 6 years and we get out for an early bird twice a year, we are hardly P Diddy.

Sounds a miserable life, no wonder you're so bitter.

Really should look at your money management skills.

Shemale

pilly wrote: »

Sounds a miserable life, no wonder you're so bitter.

Really should look at your money management skills.

You may need material things to be happy, I dont. I have a fantastic wife and kids, great friends and a job I love.

What like you? Spending your life with your hand out, nope I have diginity.

qwerty ui op

Shemale wrote: »

You have used a word you musnt know the meaning of, I live in a modest 3 bed terrace, my wife has a 10 year old car that we share, I buy 90% of my clothes in a charity shop, my wife and I have only been away for a night in the last 6 years and we get out for an early bird twice a year, we are hardly P Diddy.

Growing up my parents life was about the same, better house, better car and holidays.

90% of clothes in charity shops, I'll give you this, you didn't let down me down.

So not that anyone would ever make things up but in an attempt to get a clearer view on how things really are, shouldn't we have a look at what people are driving and what their houses are like.
What cars have ordinary people been buying for the last 7/8 years you pick the year and a quick google search will settle it.
And on daft.ie you pick any area in the entire country and lets see the inside of a fully finished 3/4 bed house built in the last 7 or 8 years and then we can try compare it the 70's 80's.

Or

If your not comfortable with this now & then thing, I'm sure we can find a way to compare your average Irish person with an average person in some other random part of the world and see if we live lavish lifestyles.

Shemale

qwerty ui op wrote: »

90% of clothes in charity shops, I'll give you this, you didn't let down me down.

So not that anyone would ever make things up but in an attempt to get a clearer view on how things really are, shouldn't we have a look at what people are driving and what their houses are like.
What cars have ordinary people been buying for the last 7/8 years you pick the year and a quick google search will settle it.
And on daft.ie you pick any area in the entire country and lets see the inside of a fully finished 3/4 bed house built in the last 7 or 8 years and then we can try compare it the 70's 80's.

Or

If your not comfortable with this now & then thing, I'm sure we can find a way to compare your average Irish person with an average person in some other random part of the world and see if we live lavish lifestyles.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, living a run of the mill life is not a lavish life. I bought my first house in 2002(before the boom) a new build 2 bed terrace , I waited and after the bust I traded up to a 3 bed terrace(built in the 60's) and did not get Dermot Bannon in to do it up, spent €15k buying and fitting a new kitchen, bathroom, flooring and I painted it myself, it's nowhere near the ivory tower you are making it out to be.

If you feel the need to compare an average person in Ireland with an average person in Mogadishu then work away, if you want to include GDP, inflation, the cost of living and all other releavant socioeconomic factors then work away.

I suppose the crux of the point is my lifestyle is no better than someone who has never worked a day in their life, sure it will improve when I qualify and the kids are in school as opposed to childcare but today it's no different.

Permabear

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pumpkin4life

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They'll be back next year with a budget that tweaks the USC lower by a percentage nowhere near the rate of inflation and widen the PAYE tax band, again nowhere near the rate of inflation. Social welfare will go up, probably inline with inflation.

Amazingly, we will be told it is a giveaway budget.

Every year that this goes on, our quality of life will diminish. Every year a higher percentage of your income goes back into big government via income tax, stealth taxes mandatory expenses and VAT.

Open question to the thread.

Are there any places out there where taxes are low and you can actually afford to have a family? I know, amazing idea in 2017 like. Places where half of your money doesn't go towards our glorious super cool hip lad taoiseach to attend gay pride parades and our glorious wise old president to celebrate blood thirsty socialists? For someone involved in tech.

Asking for a friend.

Shemale

Permabear wrote: »

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Exactly right, we never overextended ourselves, bought property smartly, no loans or credit cards and the car has always been an a to b job.

Geuze

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Open question to the thread.

Are there any places out there where taxes are low and you can actually afford to have a family? I know, amazing idea in 2017 like. For someone involved in tech.

Asking for a friend.

USA outside of expensive cities like NY and SF?

Geuze

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The OECD consider Ireland a low-tax country when it comes to personal income taxation. Anybody who is claiming crucifixion by the Revenue seems to me to be grossly over-egging the pudding.

And it is.

Average tax rates ATR on most incomes are way below what people think they are.

It's the marginal tax rate MTR on income over 34k that's a killer at 50% approx.

And that's what people focus on.

My parents pay 8% approx on 49k income - very low direct taxation compared to other countries.

But people focus on the 50% MTR.

neonsofa

Shemale wrote: »

What like you? Spending your life with your hand out, nope I have diginity.

Spending their life with their hand out? Care to elaborate?

qwerty ui op

Shemale wrote: »

I have no idea what point you are trying to make,
.

I've already made the point quiet clearly

qwerty ui op wrote: »

When you have so much stuff and so much comfort I find it hard to believe you would begrudge people a few quid.

Shemale

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Open question to the thread.

Are there any places out there where taxes are low and you can actually afford to have a family? I know, amazing idea in 2017 like. Places where half of your money doesn't go towards our glorious super cool hip lad taoiseach to attend gay pride parades and our glorious wise old president to celebrate blood thirsty socialists? For someone involved in tech.

Asking for a friend.

Childcare is a killer here alright, the small changes Zappone made only apply if your kids are with a Tulsa, for most families two kids is the tipping point in terms of both parents working.

If they are planning more than two or three they probably would have to move but Ireland is doing really well in terms of tech at the moment. Our company hit Europe to try fill the jobs the we have and I get contacted a couple of times a week about jobs off the back of my Linkedin. With Brexit on the way it could be a name your price situation in terms of tech, might be worth them sticking around for a year or two.

Shemale

qwerty ui op wrote: »

I've already made the point quiet clearly

Not even remotely clear, comparing houses in the 80's with houses now, comparing Ireland to other countries. And after I said I live an average non lavish life you repeated:

qwerty ui op wrote: »

When you have so much stuff and so much comfort I find it hard to believe you would begrudge people a few quid.

So the crux of your point is someone who has never paid into the system should have the same quality of life as the average paye worker.

Anyway we have covered this ground plenty and we aren't going to agree on this point.

pilly

Shemale wrote:

What like you? Spending your life with your hand out, nope I have diginity.

I beg your pardon, I work full time and don't put my hand out to anyone.

I earn enough money to enjoy my life too. Travel, meals out and even new clothes. And all whilst I reared 3 children on my own with one salary. Imagine that?

See where your judgemental assumptions get you?

Showing yourself up for what you are there. Bitter angry man.

pilly

No apology forthcoming? No didn't think so.

qwerty ui op

Permabear wrote: »

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Exactly, the incessant need for more, couldn't agree more

Shemale wrote: »

Anyway we have covered this ground plenty and we aren't going to agree on this point.

We are, because you've conceded, you supported Permabear's post above so we are in agreement. You now realize that people want more from the gov not because they're struggling but they need it to compete with the neighbors.

Shemale

pilly wrote: »

I beg your pardon, I work full time and don't put my hand out to anyone.

I earn enough money to enjoy my life too. Travel, meals out and even new clothes. And all whilst I reared 3 children on my own with one salary. Imagine that?

I think it was a reasonable assumption, anyway happy to retract, apologies.

pilly wrote: »

See where your judgemental assumptions get you?

Showing yourself up for what you are there. Bitter angry man.

Who is assuming what now? Not the first time either.

Your opinion is I am bitter and angry, you are wrong.

Shemale

pilly wrote: »

I beg your pardon, I work full time and don't put my hand out to anyone.

I earn enough money to enjoy my life too. Travel, meals out and even new clothes. And all whilst I reared 3 children on my own with one salary. Imagine that?

See where your judgemental assumptions get you?

Showing yourself up for what you are there. Bitter angry man.

pilly wrote: »

No apology forthcoming? No didn't think so.

Who is angry now, I did not post after your first quote and 19 minutes later you come in all guns blazing with a second one making another assumption.

You might notice my last post was a retraction/ apology.

accensi0n

I give 90% of my clothes to charity.

Robsweezie

He can't hear you, he's wearing novelty socks.

jonon9

You get up in the morning because you have dignity and respect in yourself. Yes it can be soul destroying and mentally draining but no one can ever throw it back on you for not earning a living.

Now for the long time dole collectors, they have no respect for themselves nor do they care for the hard worker just as long as their dole is there every week that's all that matters. Serious change is needed in this country. If you haven't worked in 3 years your dole gets slashed by half no ifs or buts its tough **** paddy. I could go on more but I could not be bothered wasting my time talking about wasters on the dole who have no interest in working.

As for the people who contribute to the country and fallen on tough times well thats what the dole is for to help those in need.

fg1406

Well those who are long term unemployed who don't want to work find ways around the "job activation" initiatives that the Government have in place. The family I'm related to had another kid last month despite none of them working and having never worked. I lie, the mother has never worked as she was pregnant doing the LC and had her first child 4 months After. The dad drifted in and out of retail jobs for about 2 years after the LC and that was it. He's now 37. When the crackdown on long term claimants kicked in he was put on a CE scheme. He served his time on the scheme. Went back on Jobseekers only to be forced onto another CE scheme. He's done 2 and is happy to keep doing them as long as they keep paying him his dole and he knows there are only so many CE schemes they can send him on before he exhausts his entitlement to them. He's just waiting to be sent on his "last" one and then he says they'll "leave him alone".

Robsweezie

whatever about the ethics of it, but surely a life planned out on the dole is a recipe for mental health problems and low self esteem? cant be good

...And Justice

Shemale wrote: »

Not even remotely clear, comparing houses in the 80's with houses now, comparing Ireland to other countries. And after I said I live an average non lavish life you repeated:



So the crux of your point is someone who has never paid into the system should have the same quality of life as the average paye worker.

Anyway we have covered this ground plenty and we aren't going to agree on this point.

Yep I think that's the crux of his argument. Here's one grip that I have, a few years back I was in a situation where I had to cut back massively. I cut my VHI , and I didn't qualify for a medical card, I was involved in an accident because I was going to work to keep the country going. I got a bill from the hospital for €10,000. Guess what I had to fcuking pay it, they were going to bring me to court. It's now being paid by the month.....is that fair?. No it's not and I begrudge the extra 5 cans a week they got in the budget.

NinetyTwoTeam

Jawgap wrote: »

So why stay in the NW?

Maybe you've moved in the past, I don't know, and then went back to save on accommodation costs - but if there's no work there why stay there?

Do you honestly think I haven't thought of this?

Because relocation costs money I don't have. I don't get any rent or fuel allowance, all my rent and bills comes out of my basic dole. I don't drink or smoke and there's still nothing left to save most weeks. Any savings I have will inevitably be decimated by some expense that pops up, a higher than normal bill, a birthday/wedding, etc. The closest I have to a luxury is the internet which I only justify by the fact that it's necessary for jobseeking.

People who say 'why don't you just move'? Have obviously never been really struggling. For example every one of my college classmates who moved away to a better area did it with parental help. Rents are ridiculously high in the places where the jobs are now in this country. And now with a big gap on my CV, employers will look down on me even more.

I also have a dog that I adopted back when I was working full time which limits my options considerably, I can't just go into a house share.

So it's a Catch-22, I can't put away money to move without a waged job, if I had a job I will need to move.

Kermit.de.frog

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

Wheeliebin30

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

Love the way hes putting it up to sinn fein and calling them out on their hypocrisy.

Too long they got away with it and noone dared question them.

Mary lou walking out of the chamber in a huff then banging on about sexism to try save face was glorious!

BillyBobBS

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

Leo "not one red cent, i'll look after the early risers" Varadkar is a disaster. He's a proven liar and no different from what's gone before. It's embarrassing to see grown people fall for this spin and PR.

BillyBobBS

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Love the way hes putting it up to sinn fein and calling them out on their hypocrisy.

Too long they got away with it and noone dared question them.

Mary lou walking out of the chamber in a huff then banging on about sexism to try save fave was glorious!

One positive for sure

suicide_circus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

But he fell at the first hurdle.
This budget was about rewarding work according to Leo. It did nothing of the kind.

Donal55

...And Justice wrote: »

Yep I think that's the crux of his argument. Here's one grip that I have, a few years back I was in a situation where I had to cut back massively. I cut my VHI , and I didn't qualify for a medical card, I was involved in an accident because I was going to work to keep the country going. I got a bill from the hospital for €10,000. Guess what I had to fcuking pay it, they were going to bring me to court. It's now being paid by the month.....is that fair?. No it's not and I begrudge the extra 5 cans a week they got in the budget.

Was that a private hospital?

Jawgap

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Do you honestly think I haven't thought of this?

Because relocation costs money I don't have. I don't get any rent or fuel allowance, all my rent and bills comes out of my basic dole. I don't drink or smoke and there's still nothing left to save most weeks. Any savings I have will inevitably be decimated by some expense that pops up, a higher than normal bill, a birthday/wedding, etc. The closest I have to a luxury is the internet which I only justify by the fact that it's necessary for jobseeking.

People who say 'why don't you just move'? Have obviously never been really struggling. For example every one of my college classmates who moved away to a better area did it with parental help. Rents are ridiculously high in the places where the jobs are now in this country. And now with a big gap on my CV, employers will look down on me even more.

I also have a dog that I adopted back when I was working full time which limits my options considerably, I can't just go into a house share.

So it's a Catch-22, I can't put away money to move without a waged job, if I had a job I will need to move.

You know, I could quite understand until I got to the dog......I have dogs, but I'd never see them as a restriction on improving my circumstances if I was out of work. Unfortunately they'd have to go to Dogs Trust.

Jawgap

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

I'm warming to him, but I think the budget was a mis-step or a missed opportunity, whatever way you want to cast it.

I'll remain disposed to him as long as he keeps winding up the Shinners, but I don't think I'd vote for them.......yet

McMurphy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

Depends on whether you place much faith in opinion polls or not, but the latest poll I seen had them lose support while FF gained support.

The important thing to keep in mind though, the poll was conducted before the budget that gave more to the career unemployed than those who contribute and get up early.

The long term, no intention of coming off the dole, non contributing should not have seen another red cent Leo.

Never mind, sure his funky socks and sexuality can always be relied upon for a diversion - in awkward caught spoofing moments like these.

Donal55

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

The FG membership saw through his bull. They wanted Coveney.

anto77

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Leo is doing great. Breath of fresh air.

Popular for it.

Ya, like storm Brian is a breath of fresh air from Orphelia...

weldoninhio

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Do you honestly think I haven't thought of this?

Because relocation costs money I don't have. I don't get any rent or fuel allowance, all my rent and bills comes out of my basic dole. I don't drink or smoke and there's still nothing left to save most weeks. Any savings I have will inevitably be decimated by some expense that pops up, a higher than normal bill, a birthday/wedding, etc. The closest I have to a luxury is the internet which I only justify by the fact that it's necessary for jobseeking.

People who say 'why don't you just move'? Have obviously never been really struggling. For example every one of my college classmates who moved away to a better area did it with parental help. Rents are ridiculously high in the places where the jobs are now in this country. And now with a big gap on my CV, employers will look down on me even more.

I also have a dog that I adopted back when I was working full time which limits my options considerably, I can't just go into a house share.

So it's a Catch-22, I can't put away money to move without a waged job, if I had a job I will need to move.

All I’m seeing are excuses and self pity.

RayM

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Do you honestly think I haven't thought of this?

Because relocation costs money I don't have. I don't get any rent or fuel allowance, all my rent and bills comes out of my basic dole. I don't drink or smoke and there's still nothing left to save most weeks. Any savings I have will inevitably be decimated by some expense that pops up, a higher than normal bill, a birthday/wedding, etc. The closest I have to a luxury is the internet which I only justify by the fact that it's necessary for jobseeking.

People who say 'why don't you just move'? Have obviously never been really struggling. For example every one of my college classmates who moved away to a better area did it with parental help. Rents are ridiculously high in the places where the jobs are now in this country. And now with a big gap on my CV, employers will look down on me even more.

I also have a dog that I adopted back when I was working full time which limits my options considerably, I can't just go into a house share.

So it's a Catch-22, I can't put away money to move without a waged job, if I had a job I will need to move.

You don't have to justify yourself to curtain-twitching moaners.

daheff

Having looked at the net effect of the budget on my taxes, i think i would have preferred if that was used to pay down national debt.

...And Justice

Donal55 wrote: »

Was that a private hospital?

Nope, with no health are and no medical card 2 weeks of care and surgery cost 10k.

qwerty ui op

...And Justice wrote: »

Yep I think that's the crux of his argument..

Then you haven't read a single word i've said cos i've gone over it a few times
A) People get up in the morning to compete with their neighbours.
or
They get up because they're hungry.

That's it take your pick. Forget about any notions you have about yourself

...And Justice wrote: »

Here's one grip that I have, a few years back I was in a situation where I had to cut back massively. I cut my VHI , and I didn't qualify for a medical card, I was involved in an accident because I was going to work to keep the country going.

To you, that may seem like a reasonable thing to say, but in reality it's like saying the staff at Ryanair are striking so that the dairy farmers would get more for their milk.

...And Justice

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Then you haven't read a single word i've said cos i've gone over it a few times
A) People get up in the morning to compete with their neighbours.
or
They get up because they're hungry.

That's it take your pick. Forget about any notions you have about yourself

To you, that may seem like a reasonable thing to say, but in reality it's like saying the staff at Ryanair are striking so that the dairy farmers would get more for their milk.

Sorry I meant to say "i get up in the morning to keep the scumbags going" yeah that's about right.

Arcade_Tryer

If you're focusing the blame for your position in society on welfare recipients, then it really should not come as any surprise that you're in such a position.

McMurphy

Leo having a laugh here or what?

Mr Varadkar said Fine Gael rejects “such a characterisation” and insisted the party will “never apologise for standing up for people who get up early in morning, who work nights and weekends, who aspire for something better for themselves and their families”.

Fair enough Leo. He then goes on....

“It's their taxes that fund public services and keep our welfare system afloat and they deserve a break. And they know which party is on their side,” he added.

Let's have a look.

Someone who has made a career on the dole guaranteed €5 per week . So.

Jobseekers. €260 per annum.
20K Worker: €36.81 per annum
30K worker: €61.87 per annum
40K worker: €236.87 per annum
50K worker: €261.87 per annum
60K worker: €286.87 per annum
70K+ worker: €311.87 per annum

snowflaker

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Leo having a laugh here or what?



Fair enough Leo. He then goes on....



Let's have a look.

Someone who has made a career on the dole guaranteed €5 per week . So.

Jobseekers. €260 per annum.
20K Worker: €36.81 per annum
30K worker: €61.87 per annum
40K worker: €236.87 per annum
50K worker: €261.87 per annum
60K worker: €286.87 per annum
70K+ worker: €311.87 per annum

the SW increase isn't for the full year

McMurphy

snowflaker wrote: »

the SW increase isn't for the full year

How do you mean?

I get this hasn't kicked in yet, but I don't see what angle you're going with this tbh.

Once it kicks in though, it is a fiver per week, every week, or as stated 260 p/a.

snowflaker

The Max increase in 2018 won’t be €260, the year the budget is for

__..__

snowflaker wrote: »

The Max increase in 2018 won’t be €260, the year the budget is for

Add the Christmas bonus in and what do you get?
Any other increases?

_Kaiser_

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Leo having a laugh here or what?



Fair enough Leo. He then goes on....



Let's have a look.

Someone who has made a career on the dole guaranteed €5 per week . So.

Jobseekers. €260 per annum.
20K Worker: €36.81 per annum
30K worker: €61.87 per annum
40K worker: €236.87 per annum
50K worker: €261.87 per annum
60K worker: €286.87 per annum
70K+ worker: €311.87 per annum

As I've said before, Leo is all spin and no substance - this sort of stuff should surprise no-one at this stage.

The far more interesting point in that article is..

In a sign of the deteriorating relationship between the Minority Government partners, Mr Varadkar used his inaugural speech at the Fine Gael presidential dinner as party leader to directly attack Mr Martin.

Things DO seem a bit more tetchy since Leo took over... Spring election ahoy possibly?

davycc

Here is Leo latest contempt for the ordinary tax payer and talking sh1te from both sides of his mouth.
Utter hypocrite,

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-exposes-taoiseachs-expensive-11393287#ICID=sharebar_facebook