Hey Leo? Why do I bother getting up in the morning?

davycc

davycc wrote: »

Here is Leo latest contempt for the ordinary tax payer and talking sh1te from both sides of his mouth.
Utter hypocrite,

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-exposes-taoiseachs-expensive-11393287#ICID=sharebar_facebook

I don't know, is that really excessive for a State reception at Dublin Castle, for a visiting Head of State?

I'm not defending Varadkar, by the way. He (and the media) misquoted Adams, who actually said "30 euro might be a bottle of wine, or some similar souvenir... for a Government Minister" ... he didn't imply that the average bottle costs 30 euro, as was reported.

Idbatterim

a significant percent of that E30 a bottle of wine will go straight back to government coffers... also, is the E18 bottle being appropriate at such an event, I had a E26 bottle in a restaurant the other day and it was horrendous, got another bottle for slightly more and it was good... now you shouldnt be getting a horrendous wine at E26, but its not like they were ordering the high end bottles or anything like it...

TallGlass

Why can't us tax payers be given a Christmas bonus just like they get if on SW? It would be extremely easy to do, all you would be to do is give everyone a 'bonus' of extra tax credits for that month. It's would be very easy to implement, they brought in the USC charge over the course of a week or so quite easily, it won't be hard to give us credit, even call it 'Christmas Bonus' tax credits.

Simple.

It's out and out discrimination if you ask me. Are workers and unemployed people not all equal in the eyes of the state.

TallGlass

Idbatterim wrote: »

a significant percent of that E30 a bottle of wine will go straight back to government coffers... also, is the E18 bottle being appropriate at such an event, I had a E26 bottle in a restaurant the other day and it was horrendous, got another bottle for slightly more and it was good... now you shouldnt be getting a horrendous wine at E26, but its not like they were ordering the high end bottles or anything like it...

Well the way they are harping on about alcohol and sugar I don't think it's doing any good for there PR machine.

And as they preach to us, why is there even a need for bottles of wine in the first place. I'd be more impressed and pleased if the people telling me to cut back on drinking and reducing my sugar intake actually set the bar themselves and didn't have it on offer.

TallGlass

TallGlass wrote: »

It's out and out discrimination if you ask me. Are workers and unemployed people not all equal in the eyes of the state.

Even Adam Smith and Karl Marx were on the same hymn sheet in one respect: that contributions to the State should be assessed on one's ability. Of course it isn't practical to treat all citizens equally in respect of earnings, no more than it is practical to have everyone pay a fixed sum of tax, regardless of earnings.

How seriously did you think about that post before publishing it?

McMurphy

davycc wrote: »

Here is Leo latest contempt for the ordinary tax payer and talking sh1te from both sides of his mouth.
Utter hypocrite,

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-exposes-taoiseachs-expensive-11393287#ICID=sharebar_facebook

I lol'd.

Gerry Adams wrote:

“I mean, €30 is a bottle of wine.”

Fianna Gael TD Noel Rock tweeted a jibe: “Tiocfaidh ar la-de-da.

Wheeliebin30

davycc wrote: »

Here is Leo latest contempt for the ordinary tax payer and talking sh1te from both sides of his mouth.
Utter hypocrite,

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-exposes-taoiseachs-expensive-11393287#ICID=sharebar_facebook

Leo might not last long.

But boy I have to salute him for how he has wound up sinn fein and their supporters:)

Its brilliant watching it unfold.

Benildus

davycc wrote: »

Here is Leo latest contempt for the ordinary tax payer and talking sh1te from both sides of his mouth.
Utter hypocrite,

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-exposes-taoiseachs-expensive-11393287#ICID=sharebar_facebook

For a reception for a visiting head of state.

#fakenews

Hitman3000

Benildus wrote:

For a reception for a visiting head of state.

Doesn't matter what the wine was for. The cost of a bottle was released under an FOI request. The figure was 30 euro.
So why you think a hashtag of Fake news is justified is laughable.

ThunbergsAreGo

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Doesn't matter what the wine was for. The cost of a bottle was released under an FOI request. The figure was 30 euro.
So why you think a hashtag of Fake news is justified is laughable.

Because that's not news

It's not excessive in any way for a bottle of wine

Hitman3000

naughtb4 wrote:

Because that's not news

In your opinion, other taxpayers may feel differently hence it's not fake.

McMurphy

naughtb4 wrote: »

Because that's not news

It's not excessive in any way for a bottle of wine

I think the whole point of that news article, and davycc post flew over your head tbh.

Leo let's his mouth runaway with itself, and makes another brain fart statement to add to his red cent and early riser gaffes.

Taoiseach Varadkar added: “I am not sure who’s buying his wine for him, but it is some bottle that costs €30.”

So to reply to your own post, Leo (at least) seems to think €30 is excessive for a bottle of plonk. (But it's ok cos in Leo's case we know who he was getting to buy his for him)

...And Justice

Rick Shaw wrote: »

I think the whole point of that news article, and davycc post flew over your head tbh.

Leo let's his mouth runaway with itself, and makes another brain fart statement to add to his red cent and early riser gaffes.



So to reply to your own post, Leo (at least) seems to think €30 is excessive for a bottle of plonk. (But it's ok cos in Leo's case we know who he was getting to buy his for him)

Wbo the fcuk pays €30 for a bottle of plonk?...not unless your eating in the church every night.

Grandeeod

TallGlass wrote: »

Why can't us tax payers be given a Christmas bonus just like they get if on SW? It would be extremely easy to do, all you would be to do is give everyone a 'bonus' of extra tax credits for that month. It's would be very easy to implement, they brought in the USC charge over the course of a week or so quite easily, it won't be hard to give us credit, even call it 'Christmas Bonus' tax credits.

Simple.

It's out and out discrimination if you ask me. Are workers and unemployed people not all equal in the eyes of the state.

Does your employer not give you a Christmas bonus? If not, talk to them before you post infantile rubbish.

pumpkin4life

Apparently all that fucking wine can cure cancer.

McMurphy

...And Justice wrote: »

Wbo the fcuk pays €30 for a bottle of plonk?...not unless your eating in the church every night.

Again.

I think the point of the article was that the Taoiseach of the country can mock and sneer (even if it was misquoted) at a suggestion that a bottle of plonk would cost in and around €30, while seemingly unaware his own department just put 29 x €30 bottles of wine, and 42 x €29 bottles of wine on to the taxpayers funded wine bill.

Leo will outdo Enda in the gaffes dept if he gets to stay in office half the time Enda did at this rate.

elperello

Strange that the invoice just says red and white wine and doesn't give the brand.

We can't judge whether it was good value or not.

Also the civil servants signing off on paying these invoices should insist on the brand being shown so that they can compare prices the next time they order from this company or from another.

nice_guy80

€30 for wine?
same as most decent wine in a restaurant

McMurphy

nice_guy80 wrote: »

€30 for wine?
same as most decent wine in a restaurant

Tell that to Leo and Noel Rock.

Taoiseach Varadkar added: “I am not sure who’s buying his wine for him, but it is some bottle that costs €30.”

maryishere

...And Justice wrote: »

Wbo the fcuk pays €30 for a bottle of plonk?.

Average industrial annual salary is thirty something k a year. I would hazard a guess that few private sector people, after they pay mortgage / rent, food, travel expenses, kids expenses etc have €30 left over for a bottle of wine. **** the politicians and the rest of the public service elite, they are divorced from reality.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

Strange that the invoice just says red and white wine and doesn't give the brand.

We can't judge whether it was good value or not.

Also the civil servants signing off on paying these invoices should insist on the brand being shown so that they can compare prices the next time they order from this company or from another.

Are you mad? That might be a good idea and competent practice.

McMurphy

maryishere wrote: »

Average industrial annual salary is thirty something k a year. I would hazard a guess that few private sector people, after they pay mortgage / rent, food, travel expenses, kids expenses etc have €30 left over for a bottle of wine. **** the politicians and the rest of the public service elite, they are divorced from reality.

Just goes to show why Leo and the elites reckon drink is too cheap here, hence the MUP they wish to introduce under the spurious excuses of heath concerns.

Meanwhile the vintners sit with their arms up the politicians backs commanding the dummies.

TallGlass

Grandeeod wrote: »

Does your employer not give you a Christmas bonus? If not, talk to them before you post infantile rubbish.

No they don't. And why should they. But yet. My tax is use towards something I can't get yet pay into.

So tell me with my infantile rubbish. Why don't I deserve a bonus for my hard work contributing to the state?

markodaly

If this is the biggest thing Sinn Fein can muster on Leo than god help them in the up coming election. They are strangely very cranky lately, they perhaps know that the wind is being taken from their sails.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

If this is the biggest thing Sinn Fein can muster on Leo than god help them in the up coming election. They are strangely very cranky lately, they perhaps know that the wind is being taken from their sails.

Is their an upcoming election?

Do tell.

markodaly

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Is their an upcoming election?

Do tell.

Odds on that an election will happen next year in 2018. Everyone knows this, an election will be around soon. Confidence supply agreement was meant to last 3 budgets, 2 of them are already done.

markodaly

Paddy power odds here.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=2106837

Richard Hillman

Fun Fact: Communist China's highest rate of income tax is 45%

elperello

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you mad? That might be a good idea and competent practice.

Exactly.
If anyone working for me signed off on an invoice like that there would be questions asked.

(oh sorry edit - the person who signed off does work for me, and for you too!!)

elperello

nice_guy80 wrote: »

€30 for wine?
same as most decent wine in a restaurant

You are right 30 E would buy you a nice bottle in a restaurant.
However in this case we don't know whether the wine served was over priced 20E stuff or discounted 35E wine. Apparently neither does the civil servant who signed off on the invoice.

An interesting insight into purchasing policy in the public service.

conorhal

...And Justice wrote: »

Wbo the fcuk pays €30 for a bottle of plonk?...not unless your eating in the church every night.

Champagne socialists?

Hitman3000

conorhal wrote:

Champagne socialists?

Leo is a socialist?

McMurphy

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Leo is a socialist?

Socialite.

Pelvis

Did Leo personally select, order and collect the wine from the offo or something?

Do people seriously believe the leader of the country has any ****in' idea how much the wine cost at a state dinner??

Tsipras

TallGlass wrote: »

Grandeeod wrote: »

Does your employer not give you a Christmas bonus? If not, talk to them before you post infantile rubbish.

No they don't. And why should they. But yet. My tax is use towards something I can't get yet pay into.

So tell me with my infantile rubbish. Why don't I deserve a bonus for my hard work contributing to the state?

Why don't you swap your December paycheck with someone's December dole payment if you think it's so great

MyStubbleItches

Tsipras wrote: »

Why don't you swap your December paycheck with someone's December dole payment if you think it's so great

This kind of argument annoys me.
Why not ask the scroungers the opposite question?

elperello

Pelvis wrote: »

Did Leo personally select, order and collect the wine from the offo or something?

Do people seriously believe the leader of the country has any ****in' idea how much the wine cost at a state dinner??

Obviously not but you need to recall his remarks in the Dail to put it in context.

My own comments were focused on the fact that someone further down the pay scale should be using better procedures to get value for public money.

Tsipras

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

Tsipras wrote: »

Why don't you swap your December paycheck with someone's December dole payment if you think it's so great

This kind of argument annoys me.
Why not ask the scroungers the opposite question?

Would they rather swap their dole for a proper paycheck? eh yeah they probably would like

McMurphy

Pelvis wrote: »

Did Leo personally select, order and collect the wine from the offo or something?

Do people seriously believe the leader of the country has any ****in' idea how much the wine cost at a state dinner??

Obviously Not, or he wouldn't have produced such a squelchey wet brain fart on how much they cost.

TallGlass

Tsipras wrote: »

Why don't you swap your December paycheck with someone's December dole payment if you think it's so great

So should I ask the CEO of the company to switch paychecks with me cause he's paid more then?

I have no problem with anyone on welfare getting a bonus, I would say the majority need it. Then again the majority working may also need one and don't get one either. So that's not exactly fair is it.

So our reward for working is having a job. So we don't need a bonus from time to time either then is what you are saying or some sort of appreciation from our government.

Tsipras

TallGlass wrote: »

Tsipras wrote: »

Why don't you swap your December paycheck with someone's December dole payment if you think it's so great

So should I ask the CEO of the company to switch paychecks with me cause he's paid more then?

I have no problem with anyone on welfare getting a bonus, I would say the majority need it. Then again the majority working may also need one and don't get one either. So that's not exactly fair is it.

So our reward for working is having a job. So we don't need a bonus from time to time either then is what you are saying or some sort of appreciation from our government.

1) If your CEO complains that he pays you too much then yes of course you should ask him would he like to swap.
2) I agree everyone should get something, I think there should be a universal income.
3) Yes your reward for working is having a a job and getting paid to work.

MyStubbleItches

Tsipras wrote: »

Would they rather swap their dole for a proper paycheck? eh yeah they probably would like

I think you know exactly what I meant but be like that if it makes you feel smart.

Would they swap their cushy, funded lifestyle for getting up early to go to work, for working shifts, for paying big transport costs to get to work, mortgage/market rate rent, childcare costs, having to budget every week/month to ensure bills are paid?

Hitman3000

Pelvis wrote:

Do people seriously believe the leader of the country has any ****in' idea how much the wine cost at a state dinner??

Why would he when it's only taxpayer money.

Tsipras

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

Tsipras wrote: »

Would they rather swap their dole for a proper paycheck? eh yeah they probably would like

I think you know exactly what I meant but be like that if it makes you feel smart.

Would they swap their cushy, funded lifestyle for getting up early to go to work, for working shifts, for paying big transport costs to get to work, mortgage/market rate rent, childcare costs, having to budget every week/month to ensure bills are paid?

Would they swap? 
The latest unemployment figure (September) is 139,000 and in March 2012 it was 309,000 so yes a huge amount of people have found work to get off the dole, or have left the country to get off the dole (which I have done myself). 
It's almost like unemployed people don't like this 'cushy' lifestyle you seem to think is fantastic and that they're unemployed because they can't get a job.

MyStubbleItches

Tsipras wrote: »

Would they swap? 
The latest unemployment figure (September) is 139,000 and in March 2012 it was 309,000 so yes a huge amount of people have found work to get off the dole, or have left the country to get off the dole (which I have done myself). 
It's almost like unemployed people don't like this 'cushy' lifestyle you seem to think is fantastic and that they're unemployed because they can't get a job.

Go back and read my first post where I specifically refer to the scroungers. People genuinely looking for work I have no problem with, they should be given more if you ask me. What's the betting the unemployment figure won't drop below the 139000 you mention?

...And Justice

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

Go back and read my first post where I specifically refer to the scroungers. People genuinely looking for work I have no problem with, they should be given more if you ask me. What's the betting the unemployment figure won't drop below the 139000 you mention?

139000, is a lot of scumbags, that's 3.47% of the country, which makes sense. The official figure is close to 6% so that also makes sense that 50% are looking for work. The figure you mention above is not people looking for work, it's the unemployable in society, there's probably another 150k that want to work. So the true figure is close to 300k.

James Brown

...And Justice wrote: »

139000, is a lot of scumbags, that's 3.47% of the country, which makes sense. The official figure is close to 6% so that also makes sense that 50% are looking for work. The figure you mention above is not people looking for work, it's the unemployable in society, there's probably another 150k that want to work. So the true figure is close to 300k.

Does the number of scumbags not include scumbag sick and scumbag lone and stay at home parents?
It's amazing with all the big national, nationwide problems including a badly run country for the genuine average wage worker having trouble finding and paying for a roof over their head, that these scumbags have such an influence. If we got rid of the scumbags everything else would work itself out right? Nah, but then we'd have 'Brexit' and 'People who get up early but are whingers because they want results'.

...And Justice

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Does the number of scumbags not include scumbag sick and scumbag lone and stay at home parents?
It's amazing with all the big national, nationwide problems including a badly run country for the genuine average wage worker having trouble finding and paying for a roof over their head, that these scumbags have such an influence. If we got rid of the scumbags everything else would work itself out right? Nah, but then we'd have 'Brexit' and 'People who get up early but are whingers because they want results'.

Not at all. If we got Rid of the scumbags, the rich would need a new scapegoat...working people. So you need a level of mindless drivel in society to pitch one folk after another. That's why we have a welfare system. So when we need to point the finger, there's a population there to point at.

James Brown

...And Justice wrote: »

Not at all. If we got Rid of the scumbags, the rich would need a new scapegoat...working people. So you need a level of mindless drivel in society to pitch one folk after another. That's why we have a welfare system. So when we need to point the finger, there's a population there to point at.

That's the point of it alright.
Like Trump blaming fake news and Mexicans; due to a lack of Mexicans of course. Funny that they can brag about how low unemployment is on the one hand but point at a vast minority of welfare fraudsters on the other.

_Kaiser_

...And Justice wrote: »

Not at all. If we got Rid of the scumbags, the rich would need a new scapegoat...working people. So you need a level of mindless drivel in society to pitch one folk after another. That's why we have a welfare system. So when we need to point the finger, there's a population there to point at.

It works so well in this country too... we went from keeping up with our neighbours in the "Good Times" to worrying about what they were getting/getting away with in the Recession.

If it's not the Unemployed, it's the Public vs Private Sector, Union vs non-Union workers, Dublin vs Rural.. and round and round it goes.

Of course, while the "ordinaries" squabble over the scraps, the real waste, corruption and incompetence can continue! :rolleyes: