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Petition to impeach pro life UCD SU President...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    Gotta get that echo chamber back.

    The SU elected to be pro-choice...democratically elected by their electorate...the student body.

    It's the equivalent of campaigning for the Sinn Féin party and as soon as you get a seat you start using any political clout you have to further unionism. You have a funny definition of echo chamber... :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Yeah that's exactly it, and not her having said she'd do none of those things in order to get elected.

    Amazing the way people are blind to the big problem so they can get their own point in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    https://twitter.com/CollegeTribune/status/922853208925659143

    Interesting. Not surprising, but depending how tomorrow goes, certainly interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    Voting on impeachment referendum began today, continues until tomorrow.

    It looks to me like it will probably be a vote to impeach given that 3 other student union officers have officially campaigned to impeach her; accused her of continuous lies, trying to shaft the UCD Pro choice society, trying to cut increases to the UCDSU repeal budget, using bullying as a pro Ascough media message, issuing many misleading statements, falsely suggesting she was backed by the Board of directors.
    Does the SU concern itself with any issues other than Repealing the Eighth?

    Also, where's the evidence for these accusations?


  • Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The SU elected to be pro-choice...democratically elected by their electorate...the student body.

    It's the equivalent of campaigning for the Sinn Féin party and as soon as you get a seat you start using any political clout you have to further unionism. You have a funny definition of echo chamber... :confused:

    The SU also elected her, knowing who she was, she was democratically elected.

    Shocked me but there ya go. She is the president and they need to get over it.
    Let it be a lesson for some of them.

    All this impeachment craic is really raising her profile if she has plans for a political career outside of UCD. :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann



    All this impeachment craic is really raising her profile if she has plans for a political career outside of UCD. :P

    Yeah all she needs now with her public profile is a time machine back to 1930.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    The SU also elected her, knowing who she was, she was democratically elected.
    It looks like they'll democratically unelect her too. Nice to see a politician called to account for breaking campaign promises for once.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭conorhal


    The SU elected to be pro-choice...democratically elected by their electorate...the student body.

    It's the equivalent of campaigning for the Sinn Féin party and as soon as you get a seat you start using any political clout you have to further unionism. You have a funny definition of echo chamber... :confused:

    It says a lot that you consider the SU to be the equivelent of political party with only one party line to which the whip must be strictly applied, as opposed to being a body that represents students.
    Are there no pro-life students? Does the SU not have a duty to represent them as well? The definition of an echo chamber is one in which you only hear one voice, your own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    conorhal wrote: »
    Are there no pro-life students? Does the SU not have a duty to represent them as well?
    No, given that they democratically voted to have a pro choice and repeal stance, they don't have any such duty.


  • Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, given that they democratically voted to have a pro choice and repeal stance, they don't have any such duty.

    This is getting a bit like the brexit hardliner daily mail headlines in England.

    Brexit means Brexit and any who oppose it will be crushed :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    This is getting a bit like the brexit hardliner daily mail headlines in England.

    Brexit means Brexit and any who oppose it will be crushed :pac:
    If Theresa May somehow managed to cancel Brexit tomorrow out of the blue, I'd imagine those that voted for it (who have not changed their minds as reality has began to set in!) would be calling for similar, too - and rightfully so. As much as I am against Brexit, they voted for it after all.

    I agree with your last post that it was stupidly naive of them to vote her in, but to paraphrase another part of that post "They voted for pro choice and pro repeal which she promised to defer on, and she needs to get over it. Let it be a lesson for her."

    Will be interesting to see how the results come in, anyone know if they are due tomorrow or Monday? I'm assuming it won't be over the weekend but could be wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Some12


    This impeachment is very unfortunate and my opinion is that it is a result of a hidden agenda.

    The person who started the impeach campaign (Ann Crean) posted a few hours after Katie was elected president that she would get her kicked out of office.

    This issue is clearly pro-choice verses pro-life and the "Winging it" handbook only served as the means to file the paperwork throw some fuel on the fire..

    Fortunately, the only winner here will be Katie Ascough. If she wins, she held her ground against the odds and withstood a very public assault. If she loses, she held her ground based on legal advice and defended her position while withstanding attack after attack by social justice warriors.

    When Amy Crean (Leader of the impeach side) get googled by potential employers, doors will be closed pretty fast. I would not hire an activist who could infect/damage my business - but that's just me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    Some12 wrote: »
    When Amy Crean (Leader of the impeach side) get googled by potential employers, doors will be closed pretty fast. I would not hire an activist who could infect/damage my business - but that's just me.

    When Katie Asgough get googled by potential employers, doors will be closed pretty fast. I would not hire an activist who lied to the electorate to gain a position and which such blatant lying could infect/damage my business - but that's just me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I would definitely hire someone who holds people accountable to their promises and shows the drive and determination to follow through on that. The very clear agenda here is for those who run on a promise to be held to it, and it's very admirable to see. If we held all our politicians go such a standard, things would likely be a lot better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    frag420 wrote: »
    When Katie Asgough get googled by potential employers, doors will be closed pretty fast. I would not hire an activist who lied to the electorate to gain a position and which such blatant lying could infect/damage my business - but that's just me

    Unless a job in the Iona Institute comes up :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Unless a job in the Iona Institute comes up :pac:

    She has a pretty solid in with that one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    We'll see how accurate this is, but if true it's not a good sign for Ms. Ascough:

    https://twitter.com/UCDObserver/status/923596964704505857


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Billy86 wrote: »
    We'll see how accurate this is, but if true it's not a good sign for Ms. Ascough:

    https://twitter.com/UCDObserver/status/923596964704505857

    She is doing a fine job of turning herself in a martyr for sure.

    Don't be surprised if you see her on Prime Time in a few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Gintonious wrote: »
    She is doing a fine job of turning herself in a martyr for sure.

    Don't be surprised if you see her on Prime Time in a few years.

    As the leader of Renua. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Renu-er. :p

    Anyway they'll be doing live updates of the results from 8pm sharp and apparently expect a result by around midnight https://twitter.com/CollegeTribune/status/923601323668492294

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jhvZP0QXnM6HerGcGtwYaVLqAgm-uBMjSiZP_LsOgwc/edit#gid=0


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Falthyron wrote: »
    As the leader of Renua. :pac:

    I wonder which name she will pick so we don't recognise her, maybe she will even wear glasses and really fool us all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Gintonious wrote: »
    I wonder which name she will pick so we don't recognise her, maybe she will even wear glasses and really fool us all!

    431615.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I don't agree with her actions at all. Saying that it would be ridiculous if action was taken against her and not the other former union members who actual stole money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Huge turnout, by UCD standards. Even I voted and I'm not usually arsed (it's because of people like me that Katie was elected in the first place). I made eye-contact with her, just seconds after voting, and I felt momentarily bad. But then I remembered that she's a massive liar and will do quite well out of the whole fi-ascough, regardless of whether she's impeached or not (I've no doubt that she will be, but it'll be a pyrrhic victory).


  • Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't agree with her actions at all. Saying that it would be ridiculous if action was taken against her and not the other former union members who actual stole money.

    It would indeed, but this is all about the upcoming 8th amendment referendum. (both her achieving election and her attempted removal)

    The former union members that i think your referring to (the bar?) were much better politically connected too it seems.

    From following a bit of social media commentary she is going down by hook or by crook. "The left" are not going to stand for her remaining in position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Some12 wrote: »
    This impeachment is very unfortunate and my opinion is that it is a result of a hidden agenda.

    The person who started the impeach campaign (Ann Crean) posted a few hours after Katie was elected president that she would get her kicked out of office.

    This issue is clearly pro-choice verses pro-life and the "Winging it" handbook only served as the means to file the paperwork throw some fuel on the fire..

    Fortunately, the only winner here will be Katie Ascough. If she wins, she held her ground against the odds and withstood a very public assault. If she loses, she held her ground based on legal advice and defended her position while withstanding attack after attack by social justice warriors.

    When Amy Crean (Leader of the impeach side) get googled by potential employers, doors will be closed pretty fast. I would not hire an activist who could infect/damage my business - but that's just me.

    That you katie?
    This issue is about her lying to get into the position of SU president. The only agenda I can see is her pro life one.
    If her being pro life mattered to the students she wouldn't have been elected to head a student body that has chosen to be pro choice.
    She is being held accountable for her broken promises and lies, if only the wider public held the actual politicans to such standards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't agree with her actions at all. Saying that it would be ridiculous if action was taken against her and not the other former union members who actual stole money.

    What? Who stole money?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    That you katie?
    This issue is about her lying to get into the position of SU president. The only agenda I can see is her pro life one.
    If her being pro life mattered to the students she wouldn't have been elected to head a student body that has chosen to be pro choice.
    She is being held accountable for her broken promises and lies, if only the wider public held the actual politicans to such standards

    Great point. I think it's a valuable practical exercise in what it means to (not) have a mandate for the students.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    RayM wrote: »
    Huge turnout, by UCD standards. Even I voted and I'm not usually arsed (it's because of people like me that Katie was elected in the first place). I made eye-contact with her, just seconds after voting, and I felt momentarily bad. But then I remembered that she's a massive liar and will do quite well out of the whole fi-ascough, regardless of whether she's impeached or not (I've no doubt that she will be, but it'll be a pyrrhic victory).

    e8v73.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    So apparently voting is a little under halfway counted and the quorum number needed for the vote to count (2,455) has already been surpassed with 74.95% voting to impeach.

    YES (impeach): 1,951
    NO (don't): 651

    It's been a tough day for Katie Martin.


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