"White people most violent and oppressive"

Hande hoche!

Grayson wrote: »

If we look at the numbers killed by a particular race then I'm pretty certain that white people would be at the top. From world wars to colonisation, they've got the record. If we even just look at the post war period, most wars were proxy wars between the USSR and the US.

I don't believe that a white person is any more inherently violent than a person of any other race. But I would say that white people are responsible for a fcuk load of misery in the world. Both can be accurate and don't contradict each other.

Genghis Khan and Mao would give any pale face a run for their money.

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Grayson wrote: »

If we look at the numbers killed by a particular race then I'm pretty certain that white people would be at the top. From world wars to colonisation, they've got the record. If we even just look at the post war period, most wars were proxy wars between the USSR and the US.

I don't believe that a white person is any more inherently violent than a person of any other race. But I would say that white people are responsible for a fcuk load of misery in the world. Both can be accurate and don't contradict each other.

So it would be accurate to say that you think Germans, Russians, White Americans and Anglos are the most violent people in the world?

Seems churlish to blame the Greeks.

Are Am Eye

Human Beings are the same everywhere. Good and Bad.

A French person or an English person doesn't have an evil gene that is
not present in a sub Saharan African.

Europeans (white) have by and large always had more advanced technology and civilisation and access to greater resources. Being stronger they often (not always) misused that advantage against peoples in other regions.

If the shoe was on the other foot and those peoples were stronger then Europeans would have been on the receiving end.

You can see these interactions everyday of the week, the strong taking advantage of the weak, on a micro level - in the workplace, in the community etc. And you see it at a world level. You also see at least as often the advantaged giving the disadvantaged a foot up. That's the better side of humanity.

The negative approach adopted by some campaigners in ceaselessly depicting whites or males as intrinsically wrong or bad is a strategy that
will ultimately be counter productive. You can go a certain distance through guilting people but eventually that wears out and you're going to get a kick back.

Saruhashi

Grayson wrote: »

When was that? I'm not saying that slaves didn't exist in Africa I'm just thinking they existed in Roman, Greek Egyptian and probably even in Mesopotamia.

I think almost every single major society before the industrial revolution was engaged in slavery to a large degree and some form of slavery exists pretty much everywhere today through various aspects of human trafficking.

I absolutely hate the focus on race here because if you look at the countries with the highest rates of slavery right now in 2017 then you have to say that it isn't "white" countries that are the worst. That makes you sound like some kind of white supremacist though.

Same if you want to look at the treatment of minority groups all over the world. I'm not sure that I'd want to be part of a minority group anywhere outside of "white" countries. Even so, non-white people living in predominantly white countries do not have the easiest time and a lot of that is indeed down to racist attitudes.

Donald Trump

Grayson wrote: »

If we even just look at the post war period, most wars were proxy wars between the USSR and the US.

Genuine question....is that true or is it just that those are the ones that we care or hear about? I'm sure that there are hundreds of wars that we don't know about.

And even the ones where they became involved on opposite sides, there is cause and effect at play. Did they drive the conflict or get involved by picking a side to prevent the country moving over to the rival "system".

"White people" just had a technological advantage from the late middle ages onwards. It wasn't that these other countries were saints or peace loving - they just lost.

The reconquista ended the same year that Columbus found America

Saruhashi

Grayson wrote: »

If we look at the numbers killed by a particular race then I'm pretty certain that white people would be at the top. From world wars to colonisation, they've got the record. If we even just look at the post war period, most wars were proxy wars between the USSR and the US.

I don't believe that a white person is any more inherently violent than a person of any other race. But I would say that white people are responsible for a fcuk load of misery in the world. Both can be accurate and don't contradict each other.

I would say that white people are responsible for a fcuk load of misery in the world.

I am curious if you would confidently say the same publicly about other races?

I'd say just about every race is responsible for a load of misery so the statement would be accurate if you replace "white" with anything else.

I don't think you'd be bold enough to state it on Twitter?

cfuserkildare

The Indian Cast system creates Legal Slavery,
China has 1.1 billion people essentially Enslaved,
African Chieftains had more slaves than anyone else ( Where do you think White people Bought slaves from?)

DEFTLEFTHAND

6541 wrote: »

Where do Irish people fall into this, the red, freckled, toothless, drunken crazed folk that we are !

Their whiteness was certainly questioned by the WASPS on the east coast when they first started arriving. They were viewed as being distinctively different.

Early Italians got the same treatment. There was even a few cases of Italians being lynched down south.

Being Catholic of course was another affront to the WASPS. They didn't want no Roman Church gaining influence in the States.

Saruhashi

Grayson wrote: »

If we look at the numbers killed by a particular race then I'm pretty certain that white people would be at the top.

Even if this is true does it justify the popularity of these kind of articles?

I don't want to say "anti-white" articles because it sounds like an alt-right talking point but is there any possibility at all that some of these writers simply hate white people?

Like I said, I find people who bring up "the war" around German people to be unpleasant. It seems like such a petty and hateful and bitter way to be. So why would this be any different?

How can white people realistically respond to the accusation that they are the most violent and oppressive force in nature? What can you do when someone comes at you with a laundry list of "White People Crimes"? Grovelling apology? Beg for forgiveness? Donate money?

It feels like it actually somehow causes more racism and resentment between various groups.

Jerichoholic

How can she not be considered racist, I really don't understand.

mzungu

A Little Pony wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/918610746375671808
Very bizarre arguments from this woman. Discussion is on the Iplayer. 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0991mf1/this-week-12102017

Yet another "activist" (ticking all the right minority boxes) that appears to have swallowed some Critical (Race) Theory and saw a potential money spinning career as a rent-a-quote.

The comments in that video only appeal to the deluded people who buy into all that nonsense. A small (but vocal) cohort of privileged individuals that have the luxury of being able to earn a living spouting ill informed nonsense. Not too dissimilar to Katie Hopkins.

Presumably, she has no problem taking the blame for the likes of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and the Hutu's etc? :pac:

gw80

This womens views are not new or uncommon,
And its a growing view, a lot of the "non white" countries do not like us, and that might come as a bit surprising to some people,
Whites are blamed for a lot of what is wrong in a lot of countries today, but as we were once feared, we are not anymore. Now we are seen as soft.

Wait. Are people taking my f*cking quote seriously? I knew I should've used a :pac:

DEFTLEFTHAND

gw80 wrote: »

This womens views are not new or uncommon,
And its a growing view, a lot of the "non white" countries do not like us, and that might come as a bit surprising to some people,
Whites are blamed for a lot of what is wrong in a lot of countries today, but as we were once feared, we are not anymore. Now we are seen as soft.

They should remove all white influence from their countries. Every white invention and innovation. Only then can these countries heal.

Capt'n Midnight

Technically speaking "white people" have had more technology and less central control than others over the last few hundred years.

Having lots of competing states meant that lots of different things can be tried. It's like evolution for war and production. We took technology from the East too. We didn't have to compete with China or India till later.

It was unfortunate for America. The stone age people there were faced with the Conquistadors with guns, germs and steel, firearms and horses. The Conquistadors had nothing to loose as they were the lesser sons who weren't going to inherit, and they came from a culture that had just "re-conquered" Spain from Islam after hundreds of years of conflict.

Those American cultures weren't noble savages though. The Aztecs and Mayans were not cute and cuddly. Nor was the Chinese empire.



One big western "innovation" is capitalism. In it's purest forms it brings out the worst in people of all colours and creeds.

Grayson

server down wrote: »

So it would be accurate to say that you think Germans, Russians, White Americans and Anglos are the most violent people in the world?

Seems churlish to blame the Greeks.

I never said they were violent people. I explicitly said that a white person is no more or less violent than a black person or any other race for that matter. I just said that the white race had committed more acts of violence.

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Genghis Khan and Mao would give any pale face a run for their money.

It's not about individuals, it's race that was mentioned. And the chinese/mongolians haven't killed as many as white people.

Grayson

Saruhashi wrote: »

I would say that white people are responsible for a fcuk load of misery in the world.

I am curious if you would confidently say the same publicly about other races?

I'd say just about every race is responsible for a load of misery so the statement would be accurate if you replace "white" with anything else.

I don't think you'd be bold enough to state it on Twitter?

I wouldn't say that about any other race on twitter because it wouldn't be true.


I've said I don't think thee's any difference between white and black people. I think that were Europeans dark skinned and Africans light skinned it would have been the same. Or if Africa had been more technologically advanced, Europe would have probably been at the end of their colonial ambitions.
In south america, in pre colombian times, there was slavery and genocide and there wasn't a white or black or asian person in sight.

But it's also accurate to say that white people are responsible for far more wars and deaths and misery than any other race.

Will I Am Not

This woman is saying that the white race IS the most violent and oppressive force of nature on earth.

She should try living among people that would bury her to the waist and throw rocks at her head until she dies. That's if she wasn't thrown off a building by the locals first.

Wibbs

Grayson wrote: »

I wouldn't say that about any other race on twitter because it wouldn't be true.

Maybe it would?

I've said I don't think thee's any difference between white and black people. I think that were Europeans dark skinned and Africans light skinned it would have been the same. Or if Africa had been more technologically advanced, Europe would have probably been at the end of their colonial ambitions.
In south america, in pre colombian times, there was slavery and genocide and there wasn't a white or black or asian person in sight.

But it's also accurate to say that white people are responsible for far more wars and deaths and misery than any other race.

Indeed and where it might get uncomfortable is when one considers the reasons why that might be the case. Doubly so if one considers that a huge chunk of what we take for granted about civilisation has also got "white" Indo-Europeans more in the mix than most. "white people" might well be more "responsible for far more wars and deaths and misery than any other race", but the same population as been responsible for more advances in civilisation, science and technology than any other "race" too.

dadad231

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Bit sick of the constant attacks on white men from all over the place tbh. The constant narrative of us all being potential racists or sexual predators is pathetic.

Yep, especially when they ignore REAL RAPE CULTURE ....

Sweetemotion

I think white people are great and I'm proud to be one. This woman is proud to be a transsexual of mixed race, and good for her that's who he is and can't change that.

So why should I. As a cis white male be made feel ashamed of what I am by her for something I also can't change?

Ulysses Gaze

Grayson wrote: »

I never said they were violent people. I explicitly said that a white person is no more or less violent than a black person or any other race for that matter. I just said that the white race had committed more acts of violence.



It's not about individuals, it's race that was mentioned. And the chinese/mongolians haven't killed as many as white people.

When did this become a competition?

Humans have inflicted misery on each other since time immemorial.
We are the only creatures, bar ants, that war with each other.

This identity politics bolloxology is just another way of deflecting from personal failings.

You think the likes of Draymond John, Oprah Winfrey and Jay-Z sat around blaming whitey for all their problems when they were younger?

Edit

And I would add that this identity politics bull**** is one of the main reasons why the orange clown made it to the White House.

As Bill Maher said about Liberals - You have become outrageous with your politically correct bull****. And it does turn people away.

backspin.

Jerichoholic wrote: »

How can she not be considered racist, I really don't understand.

We are going to look back at this time in years to come and be shocked at what could be said about white people. Its ridiculously obvious if you are a white person and particularly a white man how racist and often sexist these people are. I am a white man and i did not inherit racism, i am not uniquely evil, i am not a violent and oppressive force of nature on earth.

Canis Lupus

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Bit sick of the constant attacks on white men from all over the place tbh. The constant narrative of us all being potential racists or sexual predators is pathetic.

Bit like all muslims are terrorists hey.

Il Fascista

White people invented Hitler

What parish is she from???

Sweetemotion

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Bit like all muslims are terrorists hey.

Show me the constant attacks by main stream media that are saying all muslims are terrorists :rolleyes:

Permabear

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jaxxx

In other news of a revelatory nature... water = wet.

tomofson

White people seem to be the only people with compassion or empathy, look at africa and the middle east and latin america and see how they kill each other without a second thought. They kill each other like we'd stand on an ant they have no value on human life. I'm sorry but its the truth white people are the only charitable and warm hearted people on the planet, and I dont care about what the aristocrats and jewish supremacists do its them who starts the wars not ordinary white people.

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jaxxx wrote: »

In other news of a revelatory nature... water = wet.

The English are a very violent race, don't you agree? In particular?

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I keep asking the anti-white racists to narrow down who these violent whites are. Not getting any response. could it be fashionable to criticise "whites" ( a nonsense term as it happens) and not to criticise, say, the French, Spanish, English and Portuguese.

Also the cultural left tells us it eschews generalisations. We can't say anything about muslims if some muslims are violent, but we can say something about whites if some whites have a history of colonialism.

A Little Pony

Saruhashi wrote: »

Grayson wrote: »

ahhh. Poor you. Have you considered therapy? :pac:

Does the popularity of content like this not trouble you at all?

I keep trying to figure out what is going on with these kind of articles.  Are they just perfectly valid criticism of white people?  Or are they some kind of popularized racism?

I know if I had a friend who kept saying negative things about Chinese people then I'd be saying something to them and probably would end the friendship too.

Even if it was just "Chinese people talk to loud on the phone" and "Chinese are terrible drivers" if it happened often enough I'd be saying "OK, you need to stop".

It's just really, really, weird that you have a group of people who are constantly  going on about "white people".

I wouldn't befriend someone who was always giving out about Jews or Muslims or whatever because it's a sure sign that they are a bit of a d!ckhead.  They aren't getting mainstream coverage on the BBC.

I'd be pretty horrified if the BBC published content that asked "Are Muslims the biggest threat to British society since the Nazis?" and I'd expect most sensible people to be disgusted and outraged.

"The white race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth"

Replace white with any other ethnicity there and we are talking potential hate crime.

Replace white with any other ethnicity there and I am thinking the speaker is a neo-nazi or white supremacist who needs a very, VERY, stern talking to.

This should not be promoted by the BBC and it's kind of concerning that it is.

I don't think it's necessarily offensive but something doesn't feel right about this at all.

How far would they be able to push it before you would say "enough is enough"?

What made it diabolical is she was basing her assertion on a group of people, not an idea but a group of people which is white human beings. If you said similar about black people it probably would be seen as a hate crime or against Jews.

A Little Pony

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I think white people are great and I'm proud to be one. This woman is proud to be a transsexual of mixed race, and good for her that's who he is and can't change that.

So why should I. As a cis white male be made feel ashamed of what I am by her for something I also can't change?

This race theory politics from the likes of her is what turns people into racists who would otherwise be normal human beings who get along with people from all races and backgrounds. If you are constantly being told you are evil and the reason for all the evil in the world is because you are white then people will get defensive and not just take it.

c_man

Hmm, a racist Brit pontificating on the qualities of different peoples? This usually doesn't end well.

professore

grahambo wrote: »

Completely disagree with that.

History would dictate that, Whites (Europeans) and Asians are the most cooperative, hence the reason nearly every major European and Asian power has conquered or attempted to conquer most of their known world.

British Empire
French Empire
Spanish Empire
Mongol Empire
Qing Dynasty
Nazis
Roman Empire
Alexander the beedlin deadly
etc etc.

The list goes on an on.

The gained vast amounts of territory as the people the conquered were to busy fighting themselves.

Also to note:
The first Slavers were black. Slavery is something that originated in central Africa, and was adapted and used by whites to a much larger degree (They effectively commercialized it)

Slavery has been present and legal in every culture throughout history except our own modern western democracies.

Capt'n Midnight

Il Fascista wrote: »

White people invented Hitler

Next you'll be saying Hitler wasn't German :rolleyes:

JupiterKid

tomofson wrote: »

White people seem to be the only people with compassion or empathy, look at africa and the middle east and latin america and see how they kill each other without a second thought. They kill each other like we'd stand on an ant they have no value on human life. I'm sorry but its the truth white people are the only charitable and warm hearted people on the planet, and I dont care about what the aristocrats and jewish supremacists do its them who starts the wars not ordinary white people.

So whites are the only race with compassion? That is absolute racist BS.

You didn't pop in here from Stormfront perchance?

bnt

The virtue signalling ... it burns ..! :rolleyes:

tomofson

JupiterKid wrote: »

So whites are the only race with compassion? That is absolute racist BS.

You didn't pop in here from Stormfront perchance?

Compassion,empathy and charity are all white race traits, the only time other races seem to have it is when they live in a white environment.

So a member of another race born in lets say america will have those traits to some degree due to the environment they are raised in, well some of them will.

I do have a stormfront account and I'm not afraid to admit it, do I have one because I hate people of other races? NOPE, I made a stormfront account because its the only platform which allows you to discuss certain realities without you being labelled a "racist","anti-semite" or "nazi".

mzungu

tomofson wrote: »

Compassion,empathy and charity are all white race traits, the only time other races seem to have it is when they live in a white environment.

I disagree. Can I ask how you came to that conclusion?

Irish Guitarist

(S)he certainly knows her stuff. Britain "was built on the enslavement of non-white people". It's not like they ever colonised a country inhabited by white people or anything.

Any idiot who happens to be black can say how nasty the white devil is now and idiots lap it up. For instance Ice Cube giving a lecture on how the word nigga is wrong. If you point out the idiocy of the rapper from Niggaz With Attitude telling people not to say nigga or how he made a fortune from advocating killing white people and burning down Korean shops you get called a bigot.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

This race theory politics from the likes of her is what turns people into racists who would otherwise be normal human beings who get along with people from all races and backgrounds. If you are constantly being told you are evil and the reason for all the evil in the world is because you are white then people will get defensive and not just take it.

To be fair we think you're evil because you think ethnic genocide is fine. I have no idea what colour you are, I'm just disgusted by what you've said here.

Permabear

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Capt'n Midnight

History has shown us that people can be absolute bastards to others that they don't fear, especially if its 'us' and 'them'.


Thanks to history and technology many of the rich and powerful are white.
You only have to look at the military-industrial complex to see the how the fortunes of money have affected the fortunes of war and the poor schmucks at the sharp end of it all.

Grayson

Permabear wrote: »

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Plus the posted you quoted also ignored the fact that until after WWII Europe had been kicking the sh1t out of each other since time immemorial.

I like the study you quoted. The fact is that as humans we have certain innate biases that aren't based on fact. They could be due to some social conditioning or even due to some physiological/evolutionary reason, but they do exist. And it's only through study and introspection that we can shed ourselves of these biases.

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Grayson wrote: »

To be fair we think you're evil because you think ethnic genocide is fine. I have no idea what colour you are, I'm just disgusted by what you've said here.

Where does the poster you quote support ethnic genocide?

Your Face

I like the French.

tomofson

Permabear wrote: »

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I would say they are a combination of both racial and environmental, hence they exist more among nations founded and populated by white people, the environment those traits are prevalent in are all white environments, so there would have to be a racial element to.

Of course a white person is going to feel more empathy for another white person, he relates more to other white people than he does to black people. I would say those few black people with compassion would feel more for other black people than for white people, it is natural whether you like it or not.

You are only seeing contradiction in my statements because contradiction is what you want to see.

Floody Boreland

bigar wrote: »

The Belgians actually cleaned up the mess left by their king and his band of international "explorers" in the Congo Free State. They were very reluctant to have to do so as they did not really wanted a colony.

They stopped the exploitation of the local population and the violent punishments like cutting off people's hands. They were thwarted in their attempts by the international corporations who did no want to lose their cheap labour.

Never heard of the Congo Horrors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfYC7m4cULE