Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2017/2018

~Rebel~

Augeo wrote: »

The gegenpress views are frighteningly obvious.... I said much the same over 12 months ago about nullifying it with longballs etc and I'm no expert....

Is that not a big part of the point though? You either win the ball high up the field, or you force them into a blind punt downfield, and you win the ball back there.

Looking at the goals we've conceded for the most part, long hopeful balls from the opposition defense has not our undoing. It's been more a case of individuals not tracking runs when the opposition has the ball already around our half, or from set pieces/throw ins.

What was interesting yesterday was seeing the shape of our back four... they often actually lined up like a three, with one man in the dead centre. This rotated between Lovren and Matip, depending on which full back had stepped back and inside to create the 3. After being beaten by direct through balls right down the middle, this looked like an attempt to stop that. Worked well I thought, though wasn't really tested all that much by Utd.

~Rebel~

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Is that not a big part of the point though? You either win the ball high up the field, or you force them into a blind punt downfield, and you win the ball back there.

.....

Ah come on... by etc I meant the other points too... "The question for Klopp at Liverpool was always going to be whether his hyperactive approach could be as effective in the Premier League in which everybody plays at a high tempo. Even towards the end in Germany, there was a suspicion that with other teams also pressing hard and high, Dortmund were diminished. It was no longer sufficient to run further or faster than other sides in the league. In addition, as teams become more used to counteracting gegenpressing, as their players become more inclined to hit long balls over the press, the tactic loses its power to shock. Klopp’s approach is no longer unique; it’s not even unusual.

Familiarity is one issue; fatigue, or rather efforts to stave it off, is another. Last season Liverpool’s form collapsed in January. This season, with the Champions League to worry about as well, the sense is that Liverpool have eased back. They are no longer pressing with the same ferocity. In Klopp’s first two seasons at Anfield, the average length of each spell of possession enjoyed by an opponent was 5.9 seconds. This season that is up to 6.5, which is lower than the league average but far from exceptional. Distance run and high-intensity sprint stats have dropped."

Basically.... running around like l@ngers will only get you so far for so long.

We aren't pressing as much, we aren't scoring as much (creating loads though) , probably conceding the same.

When it works you've an unbalanced system over performing ... having to score usually 2 or 3 goals a game to win. There's an unsustainable whiff off it.

The run in last season saw klopp adjust things slightly and we ground out results, our run to the EL final was when klopp was just in the door really and we didn't play then like we did last season.

OwaynOTT

mosstin wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how Lascelles progresses this year. Rafa knows a good defender, VVD is ridiculously expensive so I do hope that we don't have our eggs solely in a VVD basket come next summer.

I've watched Newcastle twice this year - once against Liverpool which I'm obliged to watch and yesterday because I had food poisoning and was stuck to the couch.
Anyway, I have a point and it's that I reckon alas roles will be expensive if we go in for in.
The media in both games we're very complimentary of him and he was getting a lot of focus. He also scores goals, so that will add a premium on him too not to mention being English.
I reckon he'll get a England call up too this year.
He'll be expensive, not VVD expensive but still will go for a large fee.

Agent Coulson

An interview with Robertson today talking about not playing he said that his signing as specialist left back has pushed Moreno to be a better player and both know if they aren't in the starting 11 they probably won't be on the bench as Klopp wants players on the bench that can play more than one position.


To be honest Moreno hasn't done much wrong this season to be dropped so it must be frustrating enough for Robertson then again Moreno had to see a midfielder play left back last season.

From what we have seen if needed we now have solid cover at left back.

gafferino

Agent Coulson wrote: »

An interview with Robertson today talking about not playing he said that his signing as specialist left back has pushed Moreno to be a better player and both know if they aren't in the starting 11 they probably won't be on the bench as Klopp wants players on the bench that can play more than one position.


To be honest Moreno hasn't done much wrong this season to be dropped so it must be frustrating enough for Robertson then again Moreno had to see a midfielder play left back last season.

From what we have seen if needed we now have solid cover at left back.

He hasnt done a lot wrong but he is always a split second away from a stupid decision. He mistimed nearly every header against utd and made one of his trademark jumping from behind reverse scorpion kick tackles that are heart in mouth red card or clearing the danger tackles.

Id like to see Robertson get a run of games.

Blondie919

Agent Coulson wrote: »

An interview with Robertson today talking about not playing he said that his signing as specialist left back has pushed Moreno to be a better player and both know if they aren't in the starting 11 they probably won't be on the bench as Klopp wants players on the bench that can play more than one position.


To be honest Moreno hasn't done much wrong this season to be dropped so it must be frustrating enough for Robertson then again Moreno had to see a midfielder play left back last season.

From what we have seen if needed we now have solid cover at left back.

The thing with Moreno though is he is liable to still lunge in with a stupid tackle. I noticed recently he will jump for a header against an opponent and completely miss the ball. He did it twice against Utd. Luckily for us the ball went out of play both times. A defender making that jump really should be making some kind of contact on the ball, but he misses it completely. He will never convince me.

MD1990

gafferino wrote: »

He hasnt done a lot wrong but he is always a split second away from a stupid decision. He mistimed nearly every header against utd and made one of his trademark jumping from behind reverse scorpion kick tackles that are heart in mouth red card or clearing the danger tackles.

Id like to see Robertson get a run of games.

Blatantly untrue
Moreno won 3 aerial duels the 2nd most in your team.

He has been excellent so far this season.

citytillidie

Jose to PSG going to follow the money again

mosstin

citytillidie wrote: »

Jose to PSG going to follow the money again

If he's afraid to cross the halfway line, he'll not be crossing the bloody Channel.

Agent Coulson

Lovren is at the presser and he has said in his honest opinion he thinks Lukaku's stamp and flick was on purpose.

citytillidie

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lovren is at the presser and he has said in his honest opinion he thinks Lukaku's stamp and flick was on purpose.

If it was the other way around we would not have heard the end of it

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lovren is at the presser and he has said in his honest opinion he thinks Lukaku's stamp and flick was on purpose.

And in the same breath he then said that he thinks that we should move on.
He's an idiot.

Agent Coulson

mosstin wrote: »

And in the same breath he then said that he thinks that we should move on.
He's an idiot.

What can he or the club do except move on though?

The FA aren't going to charge Lukaku so he made it public which very few players actually do and said that the other player did it on purpose.



We saw that with Mane when everybody said he didn't mean to kick Ederson in the face and should really just get the one game ban instead of three but the FA just make sh1t up as they go along and if you make an issue of these things with the FA it will come back on the club in the long term.

~Rebel~

mosstin wrote: »

And in the same breath he then said that he thinks that we should move on.
He's an idiot.

Well if he's not going to get charged, what's the point in mulling on it?

I think he did the right thing - tell it like he saw it, put his opinion on record, and leave it at that.

54and56

Agent Coulson wrote: »

What can he or the club do except move on though?

The FA aren't going to charge Lukaku so he made it public which very few players actually do and said that the other player did it on purpose.



We saw that with Mane when everybody said he didn't mean to kick Ederson in the face and should really just get the one game ban instead of three but the FA just make sh1t up as they go along and if you make an issue of these things with the FA it will come back on the club in the long term.

Strongly disagree with your there AC. Mane was studs up at head height making a challenge for the ball against an opponent.

Lukaku and Lovren had a coming together, Lovren tumbled and Lukaku got tangled up in him. Lukaku didn't stamp on Lovren and his feet weren't anywhere they shouldn't have been.

No anti LFc anything going on here. It was nothing, if anything Lovren made an embarrassing meal of it. You think Hyppia or Carragher would have rolled around whinging that they got clipped? They'd have been up straight away and tearing into Lukaku next time the ball came near him which admittedly on Saturday wasn't often!!

Ideally he'd have said let's just move on. IMO.

noodler

MD1990 wrote: »

Blatantly untrue
Moreno won 3 aerial duels the 2nd most in your team.

He has been excellent so far this season.

The factual errors in the first statement and the hyperbole in the second!

noodler

MD1990 wrote: »

Blatantly untrue
Moreno won 3 aerial duels the 2nd most in your team.

He has been excellent so far this season.

Its not untrue.

He missed headers, like completely missed them.

And excellent is absolute hyperbole.

Moreno has been excellent when measured against his own standard.... no fnck ups of note.

mosstin

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Well if he's not going to get charged, what's the point in mulling on it?

I think he did the right thing - tell it like he saw it, put his opinion on record, and leave it at that.

Where am I suggesting we mull on it? By telling it like he saw it - a very innocuous incident - he's dredging it up again giving someone like Mourinho the opportunity for some more faux outrage because one of his players has been accused of deliberately injuring another.
If Lovren wants to move on, he's in the game long enough to have let that alone be his response.

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

What can he or the club do except move on though?

The FA aren't going to charge Lukaku so he made it public which very few players actually do and said that the other player did it on purpose.



We saw that with Mane when everybody said he didn't mean to kick Ederson in the face and should really just get the one game ban instead of three but the FA just make sh1t up as they go along and if you make an issue of these things with the FA it will come back on the club in the long term.

The point is, though, that Ederson stayed schtum, regardless of what he thought of Mané's challenge. The FA had to deal with that incident because Mané - rightly I think - was given a red card.

Agent Coulson

mosstin wrote: »

The point is, though, that Ederson stayed schtum, regardless of what he thought of Mané's challenge. The FA had to deal with that incident because Mané - rightly I think - was given a red card.

No one is saying it wasn't a red card of course it was.


What I'm saying and this isn't just linked to Liverpool I just used that as the latest example of the FA just making things up as they go along when it comes to decision or bring things to a tribunal after the fact on video evidence.


We appealed that one and lost and Mane got the three game ban you take your licks but there is no consistency with the FA.


What Lovren did was the right thing to do he said what he felt to many times players who have been elbowed kicked etc etc come out afterwards and say I don't think he meant it when a blind can see of the player meant it.


If that puts the spotlight on Lukaku in the coming weeks all the better.

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

No one is saying it wasn't a red card of course it was.


What I'm saying and this isn't just linked to Liverpool I just used that as the latest example of the FA just making things up as they go along when it comes to decision or bring things to a tribunal after the fact on video evidence.


We appealed that one and lost and Mane got the three game ban you take your licks but there is no consistency with the FA.


What Lovren did was the right thing to do he said what he felt to many times players who have been elbowed kicked etc etc come out afterwards and say I don't think he meant it when a blind can see of the player meant it.


If that puts the spotlight on Lukaku in the coming weeks all the better.

By highlighting an incident again in today's presser which wasn't much of an incident, he's drawing attention to it all over again unnecessarily. He then states that he wants to move on. He could move on by not highlighting it. Worst of Saturday's incident for me was Lovren's reaction to it.

~Rebel~

mosstin wrote: »

Where am I suggesting we mull on it? By telling it like he saw it - a very innocuous incident - he's dredging it up again giving someone like Mourinho the opportunity for some more faux outrage because one of his players has been accused of deliberately injuring another.
If Lovren wants to move on, he's in the game long enough to have let that alone be his response.

You didn't give a reason either way, you just said he was an idiot, so I was left to take a guess as to what yo meant. You meant it for a different reason than I guessed. That's grand.

Yeah, I can't necessarily disagree with ya, though if he feels strong enough about it, I don't have a problem with him saying it. The Ederson thing isn't really the same - everyone's intentions on that were totally clear - an accident caused going for the ball in a dangerous fashion, everyone was on the same page.

Kerrigooney

If he really did just want to move on then why did he feel the need to bring it up at all?

ricero

Dunphy tonight on rte 2 "game on" was a great listen. Slating both lfc and chelsea for their moneyball tactics in the transfer market and in particular michael edwards. Usually dont agree with anything dunphy says but he was dead right tonight

Agent Coulson

Well Dunphy doesn't understand "Moneyball" if he thinks Liverpool & Chelsea are using it which is no surprise as he barely understands Football anymore.

gafferino

Kerrigooney wrote: »

If he really did just want to move on then why did he feel the need to bring it up at all?

He was asked about it by a journalist he didn’t bring it up himself.

No problem with him saying what he said, I reckon most people who saw it thought he meant it, including Neville in commentary.

gafferino

MD1990 wrote: »

Blatantly untrue
Moreno won 3 aerial duels the 2nd most in your team.

He has been excellent so far this season.

I didn’t say he didn’t win aerial duels. There was at least 2 occasions and possible 3 in the second half where he simply jumped and didn’t get the ball. Hence the mistimed headers line. Defenders shouldn’t be doing that.

mada999

citytillidie wrote: »

Jose to PSG going to follow the money again

follow the money? sure he has more or less unlimited funds at utd

5starpool

mosstin wrote: »

By highlighting an incident again in today's presser which wasn't much of an incident, he's drawing attention to it all over again unnecessarily. He then states that he wants to move on. He could move on by not highlighting it. Worst of Saturday's incident for me was Lovren's reaction to it.

Fck them. I know nothing is going to happen about it, and it's impossible for us to say if there was any intent, although it didn't seem there was from the angles we saw, but it there is even 1% more likelyhood of Lukaku getting a card because a seed of doubt is planted in a ref, then good.

rob316

mada999 wrote: »

follow the money? sure he has more or less unlimited funds at utd

buying neymar and mbappe in one window is a whole other level

Vicxas

Wow,

For a match day its pretty quiet in here.


Actually scrap that it's been dead in here for ages.

Nerdlingr

Was at the match the last day, knew what was coming. We could see two big red buses over the hill ready to be parked.
But thats jose's way, we all know this was gonna happen. He's afraid to open up against teams he's sees as a threat.
Anyway, very disappointed again with Klopp not making changes sooner. And Mourinho was right in what he said about Klopp not wainting to take off can or wijnaldum in case he lost the game. Can needed to be hooked. He was very poor all game. He practically slept walked through that 90mins. I was watching him off the ball for a good bit and he was strolling around, actually just walking. Looks like he's gonna sign for Juve in at Christmas and his head is probably off in summer climes already!
We badly need a centre forward to play as a centre forward. No false nine. We need someone in the box - a recognised forward who can be a bit of a focal point. Sturridge and Solanke are our two options, one or both need to start tonight and get a full 90mins under the belt.

Agent Coulson

Most chances created in the Premier League so far this season:

Liverpool (124)
Man City (117)
Spurs (107)
Arsenal (102)

Silver service.

https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/919964158321397762

brevity

Probably should have brought in someone to put them away.

mosstin

brevity wrote: »

Probably should have brought in someone to put them away.

We're level with Arsenal and Chelsea. You'd have to imagine we'd have turned the draws into wins with a decent striker.

super_furry

Getting rid of Origi and not getting a replacement was always a bizarre move. Sturridge is done, Ings might never get another chance and Solanke is not a first team player yet.

ricero

brevity wrote: »

Probably should have brought in someone to put them away.

A world class striker like aubameyang was availible but i reckon the narrative was klopp didnt want to sign another striker.

Its about time we start spending the big bucks and sign world class players. Huddersfield town spent more than us this summer ffs

Potential Underachiever

Speaking of world class strikers, there was a lot of talk of Lacazette being a man to solve all of our problems, from the limited action I've seen of him so far, he's looked pretty terrible. Early days I know so I'm not saying he's a dud but certainly has not hit the ground running.

brevity

ricero wrote: »

A world class striker like aubameyang was availible but i reckon the narrative was klopp didnt want to sign another striker.

Its about time we start spending the big bucks and sign world class players. Huddersfield town spent more than us this summer ffs

I think the system will eventually click but it just seems so... awkward right now.

Maybe Klopp is trying out something new (his Geggenpressing seems to be out of fashion of late) and Liverpool are suffering the consequences.

mosstin

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Speaking of world class strikers, there was a lot of talk of Lacazette being a man to solve all of our problems, from the limited action I've seen of him so far, he's looked pretty terrible. Early days I know so I'm not saying he's a dud but certainly has not hit the ground running.

I think it's far too early to judge just yet. He's scored 4 PL goals in 7 matches. That's not a bad return at all for a player adjusting to the demands of the PL and he's trying to fit into a Wenger team that's very low on confidence. Wait and see.

brevity wrote: »

I think the system will eventually click but it just seems so... awkward right now.

Maybe Klopp is trying out something new (his Geggenpressing seems to be out of fashion of late) and Liverpool are suffering the consequences.

Someone posted a link to a very good article - by Jonathan Wilson perhaps? - about how Klopp's looked at the physical effects of the full gegenpress on us last season and has adapted his tactics accordingly. It could be that we're in the process of adjusting to a newer approach now, hence the apparent lack of fluidity in our performances. Another wait and see, I think.

brevity

Match thread...

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057798481/1/#post104998072

Yawns

YAY NETSPEND!

Yawns

Keita and Solanke fees not included in the below list either. Solanke fee stills needs to be settled by a tribunal.

Huddersfield - Netspend of 38.55 mil

Total market value arrivals: 37,00 Mill. €
Expenditures: 44,40 Mill. €

Total market value departures: 11,85 Mill. €
Income: 5,86 Mill. €

Huddersfield TownHUDDERSFIELD TOWN
Arrivals Age Nat. Position Market value Moving from Transfer fee
Steve Mounié 22 Benin
France Centre-Forward 5,50 Mill. € HSC Montpellier France Montpellier 13,00 Mill. €
Tom Ince 25 England Left Wing 7,00 Mill. € Derby County England Derby 9,10 Mill. €
Aaron Mooy 26 Australia
Netherlands Central Midfield 5,00 Mill. € Manchester City England Man City 9,10 Mill. €
Scott Malone 26 England Left-Back 750 Th. € Fulham FC England Fulham 3,90 Mill. €
Laurent Depoitre 28 Belgium Centre-Forward 3,00 Mill. € FC Porto Portugal FC Porto 3,80 Mill. €
Zanka 27 Denmark Centre-Back 2,50 Mill. € FC Copenhagen Denmark FC Copenhagen 2,70 Mill. €
Abdelhamid Sabiri 20 Morocco
Germany Attacking Midfield 400 Th. € 1.FC Nuremberg Germany 1.FC Nuremberg 1,50 Mill. €
Elias Kachunga 25 Congo DR
Germany Centre-Forward 3,50 Mill. € FC Ingolstadt 04 Germany FC Ingolstadt 1,30 Mill. €
Robert Green 37 England Keeper 500 Th. € Leeds United England Leeds Free transfer
Danny Williams 28 United States
Germany Defensive Midfield 2,00 Mill. € Reading FC England Reading Free transfer
Kasey Palmer 20 England Attacking Midfield 750 Th. € Chelsea FC U23 England Chelsea U23 Loan
Jonas Lössl 28 Denmark Keeper 1,50 Mill. € 1.FSV Mainz 05 Germany 1.FSV Mainz 05 Loan
Florent Hadergjonaj 23 Switzerland
Kosovo Right-Back 2,50 Mill. € FC Ingolstadt 04 Germany FC Ingolstadt Loan
Tareiq Holmes-Dennis 22 England
Jamaica Left-Back 250 Th. € Portsmouth FC England Portsmouth FC End of loan
May 31, 2018
Jordi Hiwula 23 England Centre-Forward 250 Th. € Fleetwood Town England Fleetwood Town End of loan
May 31, 2018
Sean Scannell 27 Ireland
England Right Wing 500 Th. € Burton Albion England Burton Albion End of loan
May 31, 2018
Jack Payne 23 England Attacking Midfield 250 Th. € Oxford United England Oxford United End of loan
May 31, 2018
Jason Davidson 26 Australia
Greece Left-Back 500 Th. € FC Groningen Netherlands FC Groningen End of loan
Jun 30, 2017
Kyle Dempsey 21 England Central Midfield 350 Th. € Fleetwood Town England Fleetwood Town End of loan
Jun 30, 2017
Average age of arrivals: 25,1 Total market value arrivals: 37,00 Mill. € Expenditures: 44,40 Mill. €
Departures Age Nat. Position Market value Moving to Transfer fee
Nahki Wells 27 Bermuda Centre-Forward 5,00 Mill. € Burnley FC England Burnley 5,40 Mill. €
Kyle Dempsey 21 England Central Midfield 350 Th. € Fleetwood Town England Fleetwood Town 455 Th. €
Joe Murphy 35 Ireland Keeper 150 Th. € Bury FC England Bury Free transfer
Tareiq Holmes-Dennis 21 England
Jamaica Left-Back 250 Th. € Portsmouth FC England Portsmouth FC Loan
Harry Bunn 24 England Left Wing 500 Th. € Bury FC England Bury ?
Jason Davidson 26 Australia
Greece Left-Back 500 Th. € HNK Rijeka Croatia HNK Rijeka ?
Jordi Hiwula 22 England Centre-Forward 250 Th. € Fleetwood Town England Fleetwood Town Loan
Jack Payne 22 England Attacking Midfield 250 Th. € Oxford United England Oxford United Loan
Sean Scannell 26 Ireland
England Right Wing 500 Th. € Burton Albion England Burton Albion Loan
Mark Hudson 35 England Centre-Back 500 Th. € Retired Retired -
Flo Bojaj 21 Albania Centre-Forward 100 Th. € Free agent Free agent -
Elias Kachunga 25 Congo DR
Germany Centre-Forward 3,50 Mill. € FC Ingolstadt 04 Germany FC Ingolstadt End of loan
Jun 30, 2017
Average age of departures: 25,4 Total market value departures: 11,85 Mill. € Income: 5,86 Mill. €
Transfer results: -38,55 Mill. €

Liverpool - Netspend 41.8 Mill

Total market value arrivals: 71,25 Mill. €
Expenditures: 89,00 Mill. €

Total market value departures: 40,45 Mill. €
Income: 47,20 Mill. €

Liverpool FCLIVERPOOL FC
Arrivals Age Nat. Position Market value Moving from Transfer fee
Mohamed Salah 25 Egypt Right Wing 35,00 Mill. € AS Roma Italy AS Roma 42,00 Mill. €
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain 24 England
Jamaica Right Midfield 22,00 Mill. € Arsenal FC England Arsenal 38,00 Mill. €
Andrew Robertson 23 Scotland Left-Back 7,00 Mill. € Hull City England Hull City 9,00 Mill. €
Dominic Solanke 19 England
Nigeria Centre-Forward 2,00 Mill. € Chelsea FC U23 England Chelsea U23 Free transfer
Sheyi Ojo 20 England
Nigeria Left Wing 2,00 Mill. € Fulham FC England Fulham End of loan
May 31, 2018
Connor Randall 22 England Central Midfield 500 Th. € Heart of Midlothian FC Scotland Heart of Midl. End of loan
May 31, 2018
Andre Wisdom 24 England
Jamaica Right-Back 2,75 Mill. € Red Bull Salzburg Austria RB Salzburg End of loan
Jun 30, 2017
Average age of arrivals: 22,4 Total market value arrivals: 71,25 Mill. € Expenditures: 89,00 Mill. €
Departures Age Nat. Position Market value Moving to Transfer fee
Mamadou Sakho 27 France
Senegal Centre-Back 15,00 Mill. € Crystal Palace England Crystal Palace 28,20 Mill. €
Divock Origi 22 Belgium
Kenya Centre-Forward 12,00 Mill. € VfL Wolfsburg Germany VfL Wolfsburg Loan fee:
6,50 Mill. €
Lucas Leiva 30 Brazil
Italy Defensive Midfield 7,00 Mill. € SS Lazio Italy Lazio 5,70 Mill. €
Kevin Stewart 23 England
Jamaica Defensive Midfield 1,00 Mill. € Hull City England Hull City 4,50 Mill. €
Andre Wisdom 24 England
Jamaica Right-Back 2,75 Mill. € Derby County England Derby 2,30 Mill. €
Sheyi Ojo 20 England
Nigeria Left Wing 2,00 Mill. € Fulham FC England Fulham Loan
Connor Randall 21 England Central Midfield 500 Th. € Heart of Midlothian FC Scotland Heart of Midl. Loan
Alexander Manninger 40 Austria Keeper 200 Th. € Retired Retired -
Average age of departures: 25,9 Total market value departures: 40,45 Mill. € Income: 47,20 Mill. €
Transfer results: -41,80 Mill. €

Yawns

Ah damnit, I've ****ed it up lads.

I blame the storm.

It made me bring facts to a debate...

Sorry.

Yawns

I'll make up for it!

I'll go make a fry for lunch!

ANNNNNDDD!



I'll put the kids in Panda costumes for Halloween!

Grayditch

We need to get some goals back today. Then we need to beat Seville. No reason to finish second in this group.

Sturridge may well not be "done" at all. Most actual strikers need a run of games, that was always the way and is widely accepted as sane thinking
Now, he's likely not suitable to Klopp ball but that's a different issue.

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

............



Someone posted a link to a very good article - by Jonathan Wilson perhaps? - about how Klopp's looked at the physical effects of the full gegenpress on us last season and has adapted his tactics accordingly. It could be that we're in the process of adjusting to a newer approach now, hence the apparent lack of fluidity in our performances. Another wait and see, I think.

I think we are just suffering from not having Lallana in midfield. And we've been without Mane quite a bit since Man City game too.

Both huge losses I feel.

Of course, Klopp would be doing consistent modification/enhancements too behind the scenes which given our limited training time with European commitments may well not be finding its way on to the pitch as yet.