Trump refuses to re-certify the Iranian nuclear deal and announces new sanctions

Cheerful Spring

I be surprised if Iran does not pull out of this deal.

President Trump unveiled a sweeping and aggressive new policy toward Iran on Friday, saying he will not re-certify the nuclear deal signed in 2015 and calling for a variety of new sanctions against the government in Tehran.

"The Iran deal is one of the worst and one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into," Trump said during a speech at the White House.

Saying the Islamic government in Tehran is dedicated to "death, destruction, and chaos all around the globe," Trump announced that the United States is adding new sanctions directed against Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which he called a supporter of international terror. The president also said he has started an investigation into whether Iran is cooperating with North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

RustyNut

It all sounds very like the rhetoric and lies the US used to justify their invasion of Iraq.

The European commision came out almost immediately after his statement and contradicted most of what he said.

Cheerful Spring

RustyNut wrote: »

It all sounds very like the rhetoric and lies the US used to justify their invasion of Iraq.

The European commision came out almost imediatly after his statment and contracted most of what he said.

It's a slippery slope to a major war. Trump has made it impossible for Iran to stick with this deal. Israel will be happy.

Madagascan

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

RustyNut wrote: »

It all sounds very like the rhetoric and lies the US used to justify their invasion of Iraq.

The European commision came out almost imediatly after his statment and contracted most of what he said.

It's a slippery slope to a major war. Trump has made it impossible for Iran to stick with this deal. Israel will be happy.

Yes Israel will be happy as Iran has threatened to wipe them out.
Give Iran nuclear capabilities?
Has the World gone mad!

Cheerful Spring

Madagascan wrote: »

Yes Israel will be happy as Iran has threatened to wipe them out.
Give Iran nuclear capabilities?
Has the World gone mad!

Part that's left out. Iran threatens Israel if it's attacked. Do you expect Iran to sit and just watch Israel attack them? Israel was planning a attack late 2012 and had prepared for it and preparations were all set. Israel decided to wait to see if Romney would beat Obama and go along with their attack. They calculated wrong and Obama won a second term. The threat is real Isreal will attack Iran and only the nuclear deal kept them in check up till now.

Madagascan

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Madagascan wrote: »

Yes Israel will be happy as Iran has threatened to wipe them out.
Give Iran nuclear capabilities?
Has the World gone mad!

Part that's left out. Iran threatens Israel if it's attacked. Do you expect Iran to sit and just watch Israel attack them? Israel was planning a attack late 2012 and had prepared for it and preparations were all set. Israel decided to wait to see if Romney would beat Obama and go along with their attack. They calculated wrong and Obama won a second term. The threat is real Isreal will attack Iran and only the nuclear deal kept them in check up till now.

No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
It's part of their religious views also.

The_Valeyard

This was a good deal. It kept the peace. The only winners here are Israeli and American warmongers.

Madagascan

In 2016 the Iranian defence minister said if the USA pulled out of the deal they would turn Israel into dust along with threats to other Countries and start World War 3.

Madagascan

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This was a good deal. It kept the peace. The only winners here are Israeli and American warmongers.

So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
Now that's what I call warmongering.

super_furry

He's so desperate for a war. Trying to goad every fringe lunatic nation into firing the first shot.

Jayop

Madagascan wrote: »

So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
Now that's what I call warmongering.

I'd probably trust them with one more than Trumpf TFF.

Cheerful Spring

Madagascan wrote: »

No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
It's part of their religious views also.

They both are engaged in threats. The reality is was Israel who was going to attack them. I don't play the sympathy card for Israel when they have imprisoned over 2 millions Palestinians with a economic and social blockade for decades. Israel is not going to keep themselves safe by attacking Iran.

Israel has nuclear weapons they have the ability to take Iran and any other enemy out if needed be. It's enemies will not survive, so it's pointless war.

The_Valeyard

Madagascan wrote: »

So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
Now that's what I call warmongering.

The deal, prevented the bomb.

enfant terrible

It's just to save face, as it was one of his campaign pledges to dump this deal.

It will now be put to the US congress whether sanctions should be re imposed on Iran.

The deal is seen as a good deal by people even in the Trump cabinet, so nothing will come of this.

super_furry

enfant terrible wrote: »

The deal is seen as a good deal by people even in the Trump cabinet, so nothing will come of this.

Maybe. It depends on what he watches on Fox News tonight, if they get behind him for this, he'll chase after it all the way.

Cookie_Monster

RustyNut wrote: »

The European commision came out almost imediatly after his statment and contracted most of what he said.

Obviously, because as usual he's in his own fantasy world. Hopefully Iran and the EU can work it out and just ignore the states

Cheerful Spring

enfant terrible wrote: »

It's just to save face, as it was one of his campaign pledges to dump this deal.

It will now be put to the US congress whether sanctions should be re imposed on Iran.

The deal is seen as a good deal by people even in the Trump cabinet, so nothing will come of this.

He has imposed new sanctions on the revolutionary guards, their ballistic missile and has targeted the Iranian economy, support for proxies group. Trump has told Congress to re-negotiate the deal, or the deal is finished. Iran will not re-negotiate the deal is finished.

Cheerful Spring

Trump:"If we are not able to reach a solution by working with Congress and our allies then the agreement will be terminated," Trump said. "It can be cancelled by me, as president, at any time."

Trump is looking for new terms or the deal is going to end.

Carry

Breaking: Iceland's president takes too hot bath, faints and breaks nose.

You just have to love a country where a hot bath and a broken nose is the most internationally newsworthy item about a president.

But no, all the US has to offer is a blustering moron and his dangerous shenanigans. Why can't he just slip in the shower and break his neck? I'm sure you'll here a global sigh of relief ...



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/13/icelands-president-faints-and-breaks-nose-in-too-hot-bath

user2011

Madagascan wrote: »

So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
Now that's what I call warmongering.

How did you get that response from the post your replying to?

RustyNut

Quite the contrast between these two statements. Who would you believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCAp_KT4fs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9rO1gCxjy8

branie2

Nuclear war - thanks to Trump

Gatling

It's only Iran ,

Sooner or later they will be hit pretty hard either from isreal or a few others

Pero_Bueno

Didn't Hillary Clinton promise to invade Iran if she was president ?
Ah sorry - she is a progressive liberal so carry on ...

Nate--IRL--

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

Didn't Hillary Clinton promise to invade Iran if she was president ?

Who cares?

Nate

Gringo180

Iran has a shambolic human rights record but its nowhere near as bad as Saudi Arabias who America continually do weapons deal after weapons deal with. Jekyll and Hyde foreign policy yet again from the yanks but its not surprising as the $$$$ is more important to them than any sort of morality.

I think the middle east would be much worse also without a strong Iran. Theyve helped stop the spread of ISIS in the region.

Anita Blow

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

Didn't Hillary Clinton promise to invade Iran if she was president ?
Ah sorry - she is a progressive liberal so carry on ...

You're correct. Neither foreign policy nor opinions are allowed change in 10 years.

Grayson

Madagascan wrote: »

No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
It's part of their religious views also.

Was that the previous president? the one that is bared from running again? Or was it the entire country. You did say "Iran"

BillyBobBS

The right move by the president. It was a bad deal for the US and made a mockery of them.

Grayson

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Who cares?

Nate

All the Trump supporters. They can't let her go.


Regarding Trump himself, I doubt he could tell you a single thing in the nuclear deal.

Madagascan

Grayson wrote: »

Madagascan wrote: »

No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
It's part of their religious views also.

Was that the previous president? the one that is bared from running again? Or was it the entire country. You did say "Iran"

All past present and future Presidents of Iran.

Junkyard Tom

There's fuck all the US/West and Israel can do about Iran's development as a regional power - the nukes thing is a red herring.

Arsemageddon

At this stage it seems clear that Trump doesn't have any actual policies of his own. Instead he is just trying to tear up everything Obama achieved.

BillyBobBS

Arsemageddon wrote: »

At this stage it seems clear that Trump doesn't have any actual policies of his own. Instead he is just trying to tear up everything Obama achieved.

Yeah that stopping North Korea from getting nuclear ICBM's was some achievement from Obama, oh wait that wasn't Obama he was too busy doing the talk show rounds telling jokes....

Wanderer78

Cheerful Spring wrote:

"death, destruction, and chaos all around the globe," .

Could have sworn he was talking about his own country, and people believe this ****!

mattser

Anita Blow wrote: »

You're correct. Neither foreign policy nor opinions are allowed change in 10 years.

Saw her on The One Show on BBC last night. Still very bitter. Cringe stuff.

Arsemageddon

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Yeah that stopping North Korea from getting nuclear ICBM's was some achievement from Obama, oh wait that wasn't Obama he was too busy doing the talk show rounds telling jokes....

I don't recall claiming that Obama stopped North Koreas nuclear programme.

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Anita Blow wrote: »

You're correct. Neither foreign policy nor opinions are allowed change in 10 years.

She said it this campaign. Neither of those politicians have their own minds anyway. They do what they are told.

imme

Trump has passed the issue to the US Congress.
He has told them to negotiate.

This is not possible, the deal is a multilateral one.

He is working hard to make the US presidency less and less relevant to the world.

His description of a billion dollars being flown to Iran as part of the deal made me laugh.

I thought of the 20 billion dollars that isis simply took from banks in iraq when they walked through the us backed ghost armies of Iraq.

titan18

Iran's supreme leader is opposed to having nuclear weapons, and they've a long history with opposition to weapons of mass destruction like chemical weapons.

It's a low bar, but they're probably the most liberal of the Middle East nations, especially since Rouhani has been in power. They've got a very young population, who are starting to become highly educated. If there's any nation in the Middle East that Western nations should be closer tied to, it's Iran imo.