Storm Ophelia - General Discussion/Local reports - See MOD NOTE Post #1

mel.b

alibab wrote: »

Frontline is frontline as in necessary and vital they can’t just not turn up for work . There is no option for nurses etc to be told to stay at home if they don’t feel safe . Hospitals have to be staffed .

I completely agree that nursing staff, doctors, paramedics, gardai, etc need to be at work tomorrow and unfortunately there is no option for them not to be. I am frontline as in I work directly with clients with scheduled appts, however while my appts are important, missing one appt is not going to have a significant effect on my clients and it is better that they stay home where they are safe.

_Kaiser_

blanch152 wrote: »

What has happened to personal responsibility?

Too many people seem to want others to tell them what to do. Listen to the advice and make your own decisions. At the moment, the worst seems to be avoiding Dublin, hence the lack of a red alert. However, the minute anything changes in the forecast, a red alert will issue.

You're not getting the point

Employee feels obliged to go to work despite risk because their company hasn't commented, or has said they should

Employer is waiting for the Government to say they shouldn't do this (risk/liability etc)

Government won't make a decision because 1) it's weak anyway and 2) they might get it wrong

Result: Confusion everywhere!

highdef

Will probably be still pretty calm at that time of the morning however if you intend to drive back from Dublin in the late afternoon/early evening, you will likely encounter delays, at the very least

adox

There seems to be some confusion on here about the weather warnings.
The yellow, amber and red warnings are issued by the Met office and are based on predicted wind speeds for that county.

It’s pointless calling for a red warning for the entire country if the forecasts don’t call for it.

Call8ng for the government to issue a general warning is another thing altogether.

Zico !

Donal55 wrote: »

They're filling sand bags in case of local flooding.

Most work in years for the lads-might need a holiday after it

JanuarySnowstor

There should really be a business close down as well.
It warrants it like but then again it's something that hasn't happened before so nobody really knows what to do.
Almost certain a red will issue nationwide in the next hour or so. It might make things simpler just close all schools

McCrack

People are really getting their knickers in a twist over this. Its not Armageddon we are facing.

touts

blanch152 wrote: »

What has happened to personal responsibility?

Too many people seem to want others to tell them what to do. Listen to the advice and make your own decisions. At the moment, the worst seems to be avoiding Dublin, hence the lack of a red alert. However, the minute anything changes in the forecast, a red alert will issue.

People are being put under pressure (actual or perceived) by employers to go to work. Personal responsibility is all well and good but sometimes leadership is needed to tell people what to do and at the moment we're sadly lacking that. Has anyone seen Leo today?

misschoo

It’s unbelievable some of the attitudes to this. This should be taken very seriously. I’ve lived in Florida and experienced a hurricane. It’s no laughing matter. Everyone should secure or remove anything that can move in their gardens - with high winds patio furniture etc are potential missiles. The Irish have a “sure it’ll be grand” attitude. Regardless of where you are IMO if you don’t feel it’s safe for you to travel to work tomorrow then your employer will need to respect that. Stay safe people.

BorneTobyWilde

A lot of the ruins around the country will be flattened tomorrow, that is sad.

My name is URL

blanch152 wrote: »

What has happened to personal responsibility?

Too many people seem to want others to tell them what to do. Listen to the advice and make your own decisions. At the moment, the worst seems to be avoiding Dublin, hence the lack of a red alert. However, the minute anything changes in the forecast, a red alert will issue.

When you have companies saying publicly that they will open as usual, in areas under Red warnings, it puts employees is a terrible predicament.

They either need to risk their job by staying at home or risk their safety by going to work. Personal responsibility barely comes into it.
Any company saying on Facebook etc that they expect workers to turn up as usual, in spite of the dire warnings issued by ME should be ashamed of themselves.

How can you not see the issue at hand here?

__..__

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You're not getting the point

Employee feels obliged to go to work despite risk because their company hasn't commented, or has said they should

Employer is waiting for the Government to say they shouldn't do this (risk/liability etc)

Government won't make a decision because 1) it's weak anyway and 2) they might get it wrong

Result: Confusion everywhere!

And possibly injuries or deaths as well as confusion.

adox

touts wrote: »

People are being put under pressure (actual or perceived) by employers to go to work. Personal responsibility is all well and good but sometimes leadership is needed to tell people what to do and at the moment we're sadly lacking that. Has anyone seen Leo today?

I’d predict that many people will go to work tomorrow morning without issue and be sent home later in the day as conditions worsen.

DarraghF197

Going from Galway to Dublin to fly to Tenerife at 2pm tomorrow. Safe to say that's unlikely at this stage :P

BorneTobyWilde

Farewell

0byme75341jo28

blanch152 wrote: »

touts wrote: »

Someone needs to make a decision. Companies are waiting for the government to declare that people should stay in doors (e.g. a sort of state of emergency) but the Government is leaving it up to personal choice which incredibly ****ing stupid. Caught in the middle are people who feel they have to go to work or risk their jobs.

What has happened to personal responsibility?

Too many people seem to want others to tell them what to do. Listen to the advice and make your own decisions. At the moment, the worst seems to be avoiding Dublin, hence the lack of a red alert. However, the minute anything changes in the forecast, a red alert will issue.

Personal responsibility?

Don't show up to work and get fired - responsible for putting your family's financial situation at risk.

Get injured/killed on the way to work - responsible for putting your personal safety at risk.

It's not as clear-cut as you're making out. This issue is bigger than the employer/employee.

CloughCasey1

McCrack wrote: »

People are really getting their knickers in a twist over this. Its not Armageddon we are facing.

Get your head out of your McCrack

wonga77

Its a beautiful calm evening here in south west Kerry. You wouldnt think it to look out the window what might be on the way in less than 24 hours.

blanch152

__..__ wrote: »

Problem is you can't stay off work if your employer says you can't. And it may only change to red when you are already at work making it dangerous on the way home.

Force majeure leave, unpaid absence, annual leave.

Yes, these will cost you in one way or another, but there are options for most people. It seems to me that people want to have the government/company/employer tell them it is ok to stay at home because they think this means they won't have to take leave and/or will get paid.

The first question you and everyone else has to ask yourself is whether your job is vitally necessary for the health and/or safety of others? If it is, you have a responsibility to take a risk and go to work e.g. a paramedic. If it is not, the second question you need to ask is whether losing a day's pay or a day's leave is worth it? If you don't believe your own safety is worth a day's pay, then you know the answer.

munsterlegend

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

There should really be a business close down as well.
It warrants it like but then again it's something that hasn't happened before so nobody really knows what to do.
Almost certain a red will issue nationwide in the next hour or so. It might make things simpler just close all schools

I don't think she meant they would extend it nationwide only that everyone should pay attention to forecasts as in this situation things can be very uncertain.

bajer101

McCrack wrote: »

People are really getting their knickers in a twist over this. Its not Armageddon we are facing.

When was the last time you experienced a storm of this intensity, and how was it?

__..__

touts wrote: »

People are being put under pressure (actual or perceived) by employers to go to work. Personal responsibility is all well and good but sometimes leadership is needed to tell people what to do and at the moment we're sadly lacking that. Has anyone seen Leo today?

He is hiding in case he has to make a decision and could get it wrong either way and he can't be seen to do that. Instead he will hide and put lives at risk instead of making a decision on e way or the other.

spookwoman

will probably see plenty of old shipwrecks uncovered tomorrow

Meteorite58

McCrack wrote: »

People are really getting their knickers in a twist over this. Its not Armageddon we are facing.

MOD Note: Received a warning . See forum charter 5. No trolling/goading posts which serve only to aggravate other users.

titan18

adox wrote:

I’d predict that many people will go to work tomorrow morning without issue and be sent home later in the day as conditions worsen.

For the southern counties, that's not really good enough. By the time that it worsens, you're an idiot to get in your car

TheMilkyPirate

adox wrote: »

I’d predict that many people will go to work tomorrow morning without issue and be sent home later in the day as conditions worsen.

Exactly, Power will go and people will see what's happening and everyone will be told to go home. But it will be too late to travel by then and everyone will be stranded when they would be much better off at home with their families

kona

My name is URL wrote: »

When you have companies saying publicly that they will open as usual, in areas under Red warnings, it puts employees is a terrible predicament.

They either need to risk their job by staying at home or risk their safety by going to work. Personal responsibility barely comes into it.

How can you not see the issue at hand here?

Of course it comes into it, call in sick. Waiting for somebody else to make a descision for ya is something that should be left to children.

listermint

wonga77 wrote: »

Its a beautiful calm evening here in south west Kerry. You wouldnt think it to look out the window what might be on the way in less than 24 hours.

Same here in Wicklow. It's actually incredibly errie very much so

GritBiscuit

misschoo wrote:

It’s unbelievable some of the attitudes to this. This should be taken very seriously. I’ve lived in Florida and experienced a hurricane. It’s no laughing matter. Everyone should secure or remove anything that can move in their gardens - with high winds patio furniture etc are potential missiles. The Irish have a “sure it’ll be grand†attitude. Regardless of where you are IMO if you don’t feel it’s safe for you to travel to work tomorrow then your employer will need to respect that. Stay safe people.

My neighbours are looking at me like I wear a tin foil hat...they have bins and lightweight garden furniture out. If the message is "this is serious"...it isn't getting out there.

0byme75341jo28

blanch152 wrote: »

touts wrote: »

Someone needs to make a decision. Companies are waiting for the government to declare that people should stay in doors (e.g. a sort of state of emergency) but the Government is leaving it up to personal choice which incredibly ****ing stupid. Caught in the middle are people who feel they have to go to work or risk their jobs.

What has happened to personal responsibility?

Too many people seem to want others to tell them what to do. Listen to the advice and make your own decisions. At the moment, the worst seems to be avoiding Dublin, hence the lack of a red alert. However, the minute anything changes in the forecast, a red alert will issue.

Personal responsibility?

Don't show up to work and get fired - responsible for putting your family's financial situation at risk.

Get injured/killed on the way to work - responsible for putting your personal safety at risk.

It's not as clear-cut as you're making out. This issue is bigger than the employer/employee.