2017-18 Emirates FA Cup

Guy:Incognito

2 extra men. Pack the box and lump it in.

super_furry

That was a penalty on Morata, he was clearly dragged back.

Maybe they're trying to screw up with VAR so badly that no one ever calls for it again.

GavRedKing

Refs had an absolute stinker.

2 stone walls penalties not given by VAR is a joke.

We're going to lose on penalties and I'm not even bothered at this stage TBH.

Loafing Oaf

That morata incident could have been a dive and a penalty. Impossible to resolve really...

Guy:Incognito

A hand on his shoulder and he goes diving like theres a pool under him.

Lots of boos ringing around the stadium at FT

Mushy

Morata slightly pulled, but how you fall forward from that is bizarre. He should've been booked for his dive a few minutes before too

Trigger

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Lots of boos ringing around the stadium at FT

Probably at the ref

Guy:Incognito

GavRedKing wrote: »

2 stone walls penalties .
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Nope.

Agent Coulson

Big Andy is defo the answer for Chelsea

super_furry

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

A hand on his shoulder and he goes diving like theres a pool under him.

Because if he stays on his feet he gets nothing, despite being pulled back.

Referees encourage players to dive by not awarding penalties if they stay vertical.

super_furry

Tempted to have a few quid on Chelsea winning the shootout.

Mr.Crinklewood

Wonder if any Chelsea player will dive in the shoot out. ..

Corholio

I don't think Morata's is a penalty, he puts his hand on him but that happens in middle of the pitch and nothing is given, it was barely a 'pull back at all. Morata falling like that hasn't helped him. The thing is theres quite the disparity between Pedro's dive and Morata's 'dive', in that theres zero contact and some minor contact. Not sure both are a booking.

Kristopherus

That ref should get the same holidays as Pedro or Morata. Atrocius performance.

Kiith

How come they aren't doing ABBA penalties?

GavRedKing

Pedro's was a booking all day IMO.

Benimar

super_furry wrote: »

Because if he stays on his feet he gets nothing, despite being pulled back.

Referees encourage players to dive by not awarding penalties if they stay vertical.

Then at least fall backwards!

If he’s pulled he doesn’t fall forward, never mind like his swan dive!

Osmosis Jones

Thought the ref got every call bar the Morata dive right, wasn't a pen but wasn't a dive either. In saying that, Morata should just shut up and take the yellow.

Agent Coulson

Kiith wrote: »

How come they aren't doing ABBA penalties?

They are Tyler said.

LuckyGent88

Hope Pedro gets a two game ban for that dive. Completely blatant and if Niasse gets a ban retrospectively then Pedro should get the two game ban too.

Guy:Incognito

super_furry wrote: »

Because if he stays on his feet he gets nothing, despite being pulled back.

Referees encourage players to dive by not awarding penalties if they stay vertical.

So the answer is a big theatrical dive, get a yellow then abuse the ref and get another one?

Footballers need to learn the ref is the boss on the pitch . If they make a mistake , suck it up, get on with the game, get in your fancy car afterwards and go home to your mansion.

Mushy

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Hope Pedro gets a two game ban for that dive. Completely blatant and if Niasse gets a ban retrospectively then Pedro should get the two game ban too.

They didn't get anything from it so can't be banned

GavRedKing

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Hope Pedro gets a two game ban for that dive. Completely blatant and if Niasse gets a ban retrospectively then Pedro should get the two game ban too.

He was already booked though there won't be anymore action I understand.

Osmosis Jones

Caballero is so good at shootouts

Hotblack Desiato

Hate Luiz.

GavRedKing

I love big willy

citytillidie

Kiith wrote: »

How come they aren't doing ABBA penalties?

That is just in the League cup it came into effect i think after the FA Cup started

osarusan

Thought the Willian one would be given after VAR, never thought the Morata one would.

there was contact...seen em given...gave the ref a decision to make...none of that means anything.

Pleased to see the ref give a card for the abuse too, more refs should do that.

Osmosis Jones

BBC definitely said they were doing ABBA strangely

Loafing Oaf

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Thought the ref got every call bar the Morata dive right, ow.

Willian booking included?

Guy:Incognito

Instead of the abba system they should have both teams taking penos at the same time using both goals

Mushy

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

BBC definitely said they were doing ABBA strangely

They did for sure

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

Linekar said it then the commentator corrected him.

citytillidie

Replay Results
Leicester City 2 V 0 Fleetwood Town
Mansfield Town 1 V 4 Cardiff City
Sheffield Wednesday 2 V 0 Carlisle United
West Ham United 1 V 0 Shrewsbury Town AET
Reading 3 V 0 Stevenag
Chelsea 1 V 1 Norwich City Chelsea win 5-3 on pens
Swansea City 2 V 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Wigan Athletic 3 V 0 AFC Bournemouth


4th Round
Friday, 26 January
Sheffield Wednesday v Reading 19:45
Yeovil Town v Manchester United 19:55 - BBC One

Saturday, 27 January 3pm unless stated
Peterborough United v Leicester City 12:30 - BT Sport 2
Huddersfield Town v Birmingham City
Hull City v Nottingham Forest
Middlesbrough v Brighton & Hove Albion
Millwall v Rochdale
Milton Keynes Dons v Coventry City
Notts County v Swansea City
Sheffield United v Preston North End
Southampton v Watford
Wigan Athletic v West Ham United
Newport County v Tottenham Hotspur 17:30 - BT Sport 2
Liverpool v West Bromwich Albion 19:45 - BT Sport 2

Sunday, 28 January
Chelsea v Newcastle United 13:30 - BT Sport 2
Cardiff City v Manchester City 16:00 - BBC One

GavRedKing

Chelsea through after beating Norwich, the ref and the VAR.

Never been so delighted to go through to the 4th round of such an inept performance from an official.

Johner

Routine win. :pac:

Guy:Incognito

GavRedKing wrote: »

Chelsea through after beating Norwich, the ref and the VAR.

Never been so delighted to go through to the 4th round of such an inept performance from an official.

Meh, struggled to do anything for 210 minutes against lower division opposition while resorting to multiple players flinging themselves to the ground to try get penos after create fook all tbh .

Benimar

GavRedKing wrote: »

Chelsea through after beating Norwich, the ref and the VAR.

Never been so delighted to go through to the 4th round of such an inept performance from an official.

Tbh, I think the only decision he got badly wrong was the Willian one.

Pedro’s was a blatant dive, and in my view so is Moratas. If he’s pulled back he wouldn’t fall forward like that. Only himself and the ref know what was said, but Morata seemed to accept the 2nd yellow.

GavRedKing

Shouldn't have to rely on VAR to beat Norwich but when it's there and isn't used correctly what's the point of it?

GavRedKing

Moratas never going to get a free or penalty again because he's a perceived diver. Costa got the same treatment from the refs so I'm used to it at this stage.

Soups123

Agreed tow dives both worthy of cards and Pedro second an obvious second yellow. Not sure what VAR could have done more tonight

Two different players cheating in a game is bad form so good to see both culprits seeing red

Soups123

GavRedKing wrote: »

Moratas never going to get a free or penalty again because he's a perceived diver. Costa got the same treatment from the refs so I'm used to it at this stage.

I think thats fair game, you try cheat the system more than once it's naturally going to stick. Deal with the problem at source and you don't need VAR

Panthro

Delighted we didn't use var.
Really wanted to see Kante smash a goal

Benimar

GavRedKing wrote: »

Shouldn't have to rely on VAR to beat Norwich but when it's there and isn't used correctly what's the point of it?

Genuine question, when wasn’t it used correctly?

The Willian one was reviewed. VAR felt the decision wasn’t an obvious error. You can disagree with the outcome, but that’s how the system is meant to work.

GavRedKing

Benimar wrote: »

Genuine question, when wasn’t it used correctly?

The Willian one was reviewed. VAR felt the decision wasn’t an obvious error. You can disagree with the outcome, but that’s how the system is meant to work.

Willian was wrongly booked for diving. He was caught.

it was a peno and he shouldn't have been booked.

The ref was out to make a name for himself. He was basically a championship version of Mike Dean.

If those decisions had went against Norwich there would have been uproar across the board because their the underdogs.

Benimar

GavRedKing wrote: »

Willian was wrongly booked for diving. He was caught.

it was a peno and he shouldn't have been booked.

The ref was out to make a name for himself. He was basically a championship version of Mike Dean.

If those decisions had went against Norwich there would have been uproar across the board because their the underdogs.

The booking cannot be reviewed under VAR.

I thought he was clipped, but a number of others on various websites seem to think he was going down before contact. If the VAR felt that, he won’t over rule the ref.

If the ref gave a penalty, the VAR would have left that decision stand too, even if he felt Willian was going down before contact.

The VAR only overrules if there is a clear error. He obviously felt there was no clear error. You may disagree with that (with some justification) but it doesn’t mean VAR didn’t operate as it was supposed to.

dfx-

If Chelsea put as much effort in the first game or to kill the game off as they did claiming penalties, they'd have won it comfortably. It was the most energy they had all game.

Fond memories as a Barcelona fan of Chelsea stomping around about penalties not given in a cup game.:)

VAR is going to be very unlikely to overturn on the basis there was 'contact'.

theoneeyedman

GavRedKing wrote: »

Willian was wrongly booked for diving. He was caught.

it was a peno and he shouldn't have been booked.

The ref was out to make a name for himself. He was basically a championship version of Mike Dean.

If those decisions had went against Norwich there would have been uproar across the board because their the underdogs.

No. My view of it was that the leg was there, he saw it, flicked his foot against it, and dived. The referee it seems though something similar, and the VAR didn't correct it after reviewing it.

Diving for penalties looked to be a big part of Chelsea's game plan tonight. If this is the future of VAR, then I'm all for it. I'm of the view that penalties are too easy got anyway, for example the Hazard one v Arsenal recently. Some contact is allowed when going for the ball in the penalty area, and if the VAR helps that, good.

The first dive was a joke, really obvious. I'd almost be of the opinion that Chelsea should face a fine for cheating, on the basis that 3 players were booked for diving in the same game, which is something I've never seen before

Charlie19

In fairness to the Referee and his assistants, they did make the game very entertaining to watch.