Eurovision 2018

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Deleted User wrote: »

That's perfectly fair, and I understand that the recent incidents on the Gaza border, with the IDF shooting Palestinian protestors as if they were no more than clay pigeons, certainly leaves a very sour taste. What I have an issue with is people assigning the mindset of "Palestinians are subhumans who deserve to be shot" to be representative of 8 million+ Israeli people, when Israel is a complicated country with a very fractured political system that has multiple diverse opinions.

Basically:
Fúck Netanyahu and Likud.
Fúck Hamas.
Fúck right-wing idolisation of Israel.
Fúck ongoing settlements by Israel of Palestinian land.
Fúck those who conflate legitimate criticism of the Israeli government as being anti-semitic.
Fúck those who call for the destruction of Israel with zero regard for its ordinary citizens.
Fúck those who see the Israel-Palestine conflict as a black and white issue where you have to be completely pro-one side and anti-the other side without recognising the many grey areas in between.
Fúck anything other than a peaceful two-state solution.....


.....so yeah, this is a non-political song contest right? :pac::P

ukraine same as a few years back

donkeykong5

RobertKK wrote: »

11 countries were given extra security at the Eurovision as they were worried about an ISIS attack.

So what happened to poor girl from UK?

DEFTLEFTHAND

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Lol just go to bed.

No, l'm too upset at the moment to sleep.

The Talking Bread

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Spare a thought for Ryan guys, the world must be a very lonely place for him at the moment. An utterly disastrous showing.

From 3rd favourite to nowhere.


We're still proud of you Ryan, chin up chap.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Getting a bit emotional now folks.

What in Jaysus name went wrong?


We're all very upset here at that showing.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I feel like punching the door. So upset at the moment.

Spare a thought for Marty also, you could tell from the tremor in his voice that the man was broken inside.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No, l'm too upset at the moment to sleep.

Firmly established you are taking the pi$$ now I think!

alan partridge aha

Irish song was a gimmick for gay brigade, without the 2 boys it would have been near last.

As for Kermit's girlfriend give me a break#me three

sryanbruen

mistersifter wrote: »

agreed.

And in fairness to Ireland tonight, at least we went there with a crafted song and not just some gimmick-ridden track dependent on production.

We're at our lowest when we're sending dustin the turkey or jedward in there as if to say "if you cant beat em, join em".

As bad as Eurovision is, Ireland have always won it with melodic songs and we should always stick to this value. I'd rather see us finish last with a well crafted acoustic tune than see us win the thing by bowing down to some stupid trend set by countries with a terrible taste for gimmicky cheese.

It shouldn't come to any surprise that I loathe Israel's song as I tend to hate a lot of "popular" things and I consider all the rubbish overrated as fck. To me, the real dark age of music came from late 2015 onwards. 2014 and 2015 were very meh but 2016..... my god was atrocious. 2016 is my personal least favourite year in a lot of cases and I hope to not see a year like it again though I don't hold my breath.

Denmark's 2011 entry is still my favourite Eurovision song of the 2010s so far.

donkeykong5

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Irish song was a gimmick for gay brigade, without the 2 boys it would have been near last.

As for Kermit's girlfriend give me a break#me three

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

mailburner

how did finland finish second last..
I give up trying to figure out this

mailburner

donkeykong5 wrote: »

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

there's little doubt there it would have finished lower if it even qualified
I doubt anyone would agree otherwise

its the eurovision

alan partridge aha

donkeykong5 wrote: »

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Irish song was a gimmick for gay brigade, without the 2 boys it would have been near last.

As for Kermit's girlfriend give me a break#me three

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

Undoubtedly it would have done worse, any man that was talked to in audience was gay.

donkeykong5

mailburner wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

there's little doubt there it would have finished lower if it even qualified
I doubt anyone would agree otherwise

its the eurovision

So the song and singer wernt good enough to get through on their own. Is that what your saying??? To a song competition ?

mistersifter

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Irish song was a gimmick for gay brigade, without the 2 boys it would have been near last.

As for Kermit's girlfriend give me a break#me three

I thought of that after my last post actually.

It's weird because the song itself has nothing to do with the dance. The song is about a break up, but the dance shows two blokes mad into each other.

The dance was a bit gimmicky but the song itself wasn't.

It was like they wrote a song and then thought "sh*t, we need some sort of bandwagon here , lets get two lads holding hands while we sing".

donkeykong5

alan partridge aha wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Irish song was a gimmick for gay brigade, without the 2 boys it would have been near last.

As for Kermit's girlfriend give me a break#me three

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

Undoubtedly it would have done worse, any man that was talked to in audience was gay.

But surely all the voters wernt gay as well? Or were they?

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donkeykong5 wrote: »

So the song and singer wernt good enough to get through on their own. Is that what your saying??? To a song competition ?

I'm saying the song would have done well to qualify and would have finished lower

he's well able to sing

come on now, its the eurovision
have you never watched the eurovision before or are your trolling?

its more than a song competiton obviously

cagefactor

Australia got the lowest public vote. Mind boggling

mistersifter

donkeykong5 wrote: »

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

yes, it should be about the song. but regardless of the gender of the dancers - how did the love story of the dance reflect the song? It didnt really, which would suggest that they just wanted to put the gay lads in there dancing. Why not have the two gay fellas battering each other to reflect the song?!

you said we'd be together til we died - so take that ya bastard --- whack*!

alan partridge aha

donkeykong5 wrote: »

mailburner wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

So are you saying if Irelands song had a guy and a girl dancing they would have fared worse in the voting ?. Strange I think it may have fared better myself. Also why so much emphasis on the backing dancers anyway. It's supposed to be a song competition. ?

there's little doubt there it would have finished lower if it even qualified
I doubt anyone would agree otherwise

its the eurovision

So the song and singer wernt good enough to get through on their own. Is that what your saying??? To a song competition ?

Not a big follower of Eurovision but even I know to won it now it's more than just the song

walshb

Our song was just too tame. Nice little number, but no oomph, pizazz or energy...

mailburner

walshb wrote: »

Our song was just too tame. Nice little number, but no oomph, pizazz or energy...

agreed
it had very little going for it

who's going to even remember that song in 3 months?
instantly forgettable for me

but saying that probably better than some of our more recent efforts

Mr.Nice Guy

cagefactor wrote: »

Australia got the lowest public vote. Mind boggling

The public vote is dominated by the kind of music fans that made the Crazy Frog song number one in the charts.

sryanbruen

mailburner wrote: »

but saying that probably better than some of our more recent efforts

I mean, not much competition there :P.

raiders11

mailburner wrote: »

not a fan of it either but I agree with that 100%

I liked the danish song..the moldovan song on the other hand...well anyone could have wrote that song..sounded the same and hundreds of other eurovosion or just euro songs with no melody or nothing really going for it that i can hear

portugese song was pleasant but forgettable for me, baffled by the how well the austrian act did in the jury vote


I hated our song, we did well and can have no complaints but the uk song I didn't like at all or the swedish song

so obviously austria winning the jury vote shocked me but moldova and especially italy doing so well in the televote a bigger shock
I'm listening to the italian song and I'm wondering how that could be in anyones top three

I went for Denmark at big odds, thought the song was catchy, the singer never helped the cause though..
My kids told me Israel all the way, unfortunately, they were right..
Thats the 2 I backed..

Sweden, I thought was so poor, how it ended out in front after the jury vote, is beyond belief.

Love seeing the Uk coming last but I thought their song not too bad and if had been sang by scandanavian country, would have done a lot better..

Here's something interesting: despite winning the televote tonight, Israel only came 4th in the televote in Tuesday night's semi-final! :eek: Cyprus won that televote, with Czech Republic coming 2nd and Estonia finishing 3rd. I guess a lot of viewers in countries in Semi-Final 2, who couldn't vote for Israel then, voted for them in the final.

Incidentally, Ireland came 6th with the televoters and 7th 8th with the juries in the semi-final, giving a 6th place finish overall.

If it was 100% televoting, Greece (10th) would have made the final over Albania (11th).
If it was 100% juries, then Belgium (9th) and Switzerland (10th) would have qualified over Lithuania (11th) and Finland (15th!)


For Semi Final 2, a 100% televote would have seen Poland (10th) qualify over The Netherlands (12th).
A 100% jury vote would have made a big difference to the final: Malta (5th), Latvia (6th) and Romania (8th) would all have qualified ahead of Serbia (11th), Denmark (12th) and Hungary (13th).

Denmark actually won the televote in Semi-2 (for reasons beyond my comprehension) though Norway won it overall (also for reasons beyond my comprehension!because Alexander Rybak)

donkeykong5

mailburner wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

So the song and singer wernt good enough to get through on their own. Is that what your saying??? To a song competition ?

I'm saying the song would have done well to qualify and would have finished lower

he's well able to sing

come on now, its the eurovision
have you never watched the eurovision before or are your trolling?

its more than a song competiton obviously

Not trolling. Obviously watched eurovision before numerous times. But always thought it was a about a singer singing a good song to win. Not about backing dancers and choreographers. Thanks for explaining. Didn't realise the backing dancers sexual preferences pushed the song through the semi finals. Thanks so much for up date.

donkeykong5

raiders11 wrote: »

mailburner wrote: »

not a fan of it either but I agree with that 100%

I liked the danish song..the moldovan song on the other hand...well anyone could have wrote that song..sounded the same and hundreds of other eurovosion or just euro songs with no melody or nothing really going for it that i can hear

portugese song was pleasant but forgettable for me, baffled by the how well the austrian act did in the jury vote


I hated our song, we did well and can have no complaints but the uk song I didn't like at all or the swedish song

so obviously austria winning the jury vote shocked me but moldova and especially italy doing so well in the televote a bigger shock
I'm listening to the italian song and I'm wondering how that could be in anyones top three

I went for Denmark at big odds, thought the song was catchy, the singer never helped the cause though..
My kids told me Israel all the way, unfortunately, they were right..
Thats the 2 I backed..

Sweden, I thought was so poor, how it ended out in front after the jury vote, is beyond belief.

Love seeing the Uk coming last but I thought their song not too bad and if had been sang by scandanavian country, would have done a lot better..

Yeah wasn't it great to see girl from UK who was terrorised on the stage coming last. Glad you enjoyed it pal.

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donkeykong5 wrote: »

Not trolling. Obviously watched eurovision before numerous times. But always thought it was a about a singer singing a good song to win. Not about backing dancers and choreographers. Thanks for explaining. Didn't realise the backing dancers sexual preferences pushed the song through the semi finals. Thanks so much for up date.

it used to be about the song and nothing else
its more political nowadays, i'm sure you know this but your post sounds very condescending anyways

UK didn't actually come last, they finished above Finland and Portugal.

dublinman1990

Congrats to Israel for winning Eurovision. I didn't vote for Israel at all during this year's Eurovision. I guess hoards of people living around Europe & Australia were thinking that this song would win it on the night & luckily they were right. This result shows us the nature of how Eurovision actually works in reality. It is an unpredictable beast with how the public get to vote for the big prize. And that is competing against each other to host the ESC for at least one year in front of the public & the juries.

The bookies odds for the ESC on the other hand is much more of a unpredictable minefield. It should not give an overall influence in how the public votes pan out to the countries in the end through the various stages of the competition because it is a subjective voting process. There could be people who were sly enough to place bets out there without giving an actual vote to the contest on the nights in question that aired on TV, radio & online. They could count as potential lost votes to countries for trying to win a place in the final or to win the overall competition. The only influence that really counts here to actually win the ESC is from the public through official votes by phone lines, text or the Eurovision App.

Ireland were 3rd favourite to win before the final even aired tonight through bookies odds. How could so many people here could be duped with that betting rubbish. It was obvious when the competition progressed overtime earlier tonight to allow Israel to become the winner for this year. Ireland's placing slid down the ranks to 16th position. That should not make any actual sense at all from a viewers point of view in how they watched Eurovision as it announced Israel as the winner for this year. It just baffles your mind. Placing bets on the ESC should not give an overall bearing to me in how the songs were placed for that year in the competition. This betting rubbish is completely irrelevant to me for Eurovision anyway until I officially vote with my texts to my favourite songs for that year.

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raiders11 wrote: »

I went for Denmark at big odds, thought the song was catchy, the singer never helped the cause though..
My kids told me Israel all the way, unfortunately, they were right..
Thats the 2 I backed..

Sweden, I thought was so poor, how it ended out in front after the jury vote, is beyond belief.

Love seeing the Uk coming last but I thought their song not too bad and if had been sang by scandanavian country, would have done a lot better..

buy why?
I find this pretty sad even though I didn't like the song

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yeah wasn't it great to see girl from UK who was terrorised on the stage coming last. Glad you enjoyed it pal.

doubt that had anything to do with it tbh or maybe I'm wrong
some here still hate the english and just can't help themselves

uck51js9zml2yt

There's only one good thing to be said for the Eurovision....it's over!

donkeykong5

Flying Fox wrote: »

UK didn't actually come last, they finished above Finland and Portugal.

Yeah I thought that as well. But the poster i was answering said they came last.

mailburner

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The bookies odds for the ESC on the other hand is much more of a unpredictable minefield. It should not give an overall influence in how the public votes pan out to the countries in the end through the various stages of the competition because it is a subjective voting process. There could be people who were sly enough to place bets out there without giving an actual vote to the contest on the nights in question that aired on TV, radio & online. They could count as potential lost votes to countries for trying to win a place in the final or to win the overall competition. The only influence that really counts here to actually win the ESC is from the public through official votes by phone lines, text or the Eurovision App.

Ireland were 3rd favourite to win before the final even aired tonight through bookies odds. How could so many people here could be duped with that betting rubbish. It was obvious when the competition progressed overtime earlier tonight to allow Israel to become the winner for this year. Ireland's placing slid down the ranks to 16th position. That should not make any actual sense at all from a viewers point of view in how they watched Eurovision as it announced Israel as the winner for this year. It just baffles your mind. Placing bets on the ESC should not give an overall bearing to me in how the songs were placed for that year in the competition. This betting rubbish is completely irrelevant to me for Eurovision anyway until I officially vote with my texts to my favourite songs for that year.

a lot of patriotic betting along with a little controversy caused folks to get carried away and the bookies capitalised where ireland were concerned
the odds on the uk were laughable and more so that folks backed them thinking they might get a sympathy vote because of what happened

as usual they were right with the top two in the betting filling the top two spots

Deeper Blue

Disappointed Israel won, not because of any politics, I just thought the song was ****e

Think Ryan's performance seemed off, he sounded off key for a lot of the high notes particularly towards the end. Whether that affected the voting I'm not sure, I did like the song though and was happy to qualify.

Really enjoyed Germany, Lithuania and Austria, and would've liked one of those to win. Wasn't a big fan of the Cypriot song but enjoyed the performance for obvious reasons.

Overall a decent Eurovision. I still think 2014 was the best one in recent memory however.

LoughNeagh2017

I don't get how Ireland did decent this year but Ryan Dolan finished last 5 years ago, he was a better singer and had a better song though I suppose you would drive yourself mad if you tried to make sense of Eurovision.

murpho999

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Congrats to Israel for winning Eurovision. I didn't vote for Israel at all during this year's Eurovision. I guess hoards of people living around Europe & Australia were thinking that this song would win it on the night & luckily they were right. This result shows us the nature of how Eurovision actually works in reality. It is an unpredictable beast with how the public get to vote for the big prize. And that is competing against each other to host the ESC for at least one year in front of the public & the juries.

The bookies odds for the ESC on the other hand is much more of a unpredictable minefield. It should not give an overall influence in how the public votes pan out to the countries in the end through the various stages of the competition because it is a subjective voting process. There could be people who were sly enough to place bets out there without giving an actual vote to the contest on the nights in question that aired on TV, radio & online. They could count as potential lost votes to countries for trying to win a place in the final or to win the overall competition. The only influence that really counts here to actually win the ESC is from the public through official votes by phone lines, text or the Eurovision App.

Ireland were 3rd favourite to win before the final even aired tonight through bookies odds. How could so many people here could be duped with that betting rubbish. It was obvious when the competition progressed overtime earlier tonight to allow Israel to become the winner for this year. Ireland's placing slid down the ranks to 16th position. That should not make any actual sense at all from a viewers point of view in how they watched Eurovision as it announced Israel as the winner for this year. It just baffles your mind. Placing bets on the ESC should not give an overall bearing to me in how the songs were placed for that year in the competition. This betting rubbish is completely irrelevant to me for Eurovision anyway until I officially vote with my texts to my favourite songs for that year.

This bookies thing.

Why are people going on about them? Ireland were only 3rd favourites due to the market and people backed them. It is not a reflection of the real chances it's a market price that ensures the bookies make money.

Bookies are much bigger in Ireland and UK than the rest of Europe so I don't th ink people in other countries thought Ireland were the 3rd favourites.

Cherry Blossom

I thought the dancers did well but the Irish song itself was extremely poor. The UK only marginally better. Like the rest of Ireland and the UK I was routing for Lithuania. It must have just suited people's tastes in this part of the world.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

The most disappointing Eurovision I've ever watched in terms of song quality.

The only two songs that stood out for me were Spain and Denmark.

Spain were absolutely robbed though - how did that song only come 23d? I thought it was the obvious winner, so I clearly have no idea anymore. I used to be pretty good at calling who would win or do well, but none of the songs that were voted into the top spots were even on my radar.

Try_harder

Yeah yeah fire

Try_harder

Christ Twitter HATES Isreal!!!

valoren

This was a classic example of the disconnect between eurovision of the old system and the new system. Austria was actually a song and Israel was a performance. One won the jury vote where the actual song is taken into account and the other won based on promotion, performance and platform.

I'll be listening to the former in future. It's a gem. Israel as an entry was grand but to win is an embarrassment. But that's what happens when you let the public vote. Wasn't it introduced to stop the block voting? That still happens but in the long run the best sing typically won out. Now the public can vote up to twenty times for a song so it's lucrative and will stay.

Mountainsandh

Mathias Salmon Moon wrote: »

There's only one good thing to be said for the Eurovision....it's over!

AAAAAAnnd you don't have to watch it if you don't like it.
But that's a detail.

cinnamony

cagefactor wrote: »

leticia carvalho

Are you sure?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPvUGXulCaX/?hl=en

Looks nothing like them :pac:

Try_harder

Guess what song is stuck in my head this morning?

I know
I know what you must be thinking
That we are
Powerless to change things
But don't, don't give up
'Cause we got love

Galwayguy35

Next years Eurovision will be an interesting one to watch.

It will give the looney left something to do as well for the next 12 months telling us we should boycott the event.

no.8

mailburner wrote:

buy why? I find this pretty sad even though I didn't like the song

It is quite pathetic isn't it.

I agree with the rest of the post though

Galwayguy35

I doubt any SJW's will rush up on stage next year, you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the IDF.

H3llR4iser

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Italy - last all night on the jury vote, and end up finishing 5th


Moldova - finished 10th!!

As a weird Italian (one who doesn't have the "they should win because they're Italian" mentality), I'm usually extremely critical of Italian acts at the EV - more often than not they're plainly embarrassing. These guys, however, had a good song with an actual message, It's surprising they've been last in the jury vote.

Yeah, it could be argued the song "rides an emotional wave", as it's inspired by the Manchester terror attack.

But then this pile of cow manure wins it:

Bodhran wrote: »

Lyrics of TOY
English (Original)
Look at me, I'm a beautiful creature
I don’t care about your modern-time preachers
Welcome boys, too much noise, I will teach you
Pam pam pa hoo, Turram pam pa hoo

Hey, I think you forgot how to play
My teddy bear's running away
The Barbie got something to say: Hey! Hey! Hey!
Hey! My "Simon says" leave me alone
I'm taking my Pikachu home
You're stupid just like your smart phone

Wonder woman, don't you ever forget
You're divine and he's about to regret
His baka-bakum, bak-bak bakumbai…

I’m not your toy
You stupid boy
I'll take you down
I'll make you watch me
Dancing with my dolls
On the MadaBaka Beat
Not your toy!

A-A-A-Ani Lo buba!
Don't you go and play with me boy!
A-A-A-Ani Lo buba!
Don't you go and play… Shake!
Kulului, Kulului, Ah, wedding bells ringing
Kulului, Kulului, Ah, money man bling-bling
I don't care about your 'stefa', baby
Pam pam pa hoo, Turram pam pa hoo

Wonder woman, don't you ever forget
You're divine and he's about to regret
His baka-bakum…bak-bak bakumbai…

I’m not your toy
You stupid boy
I'll take you down
I'll make you watch me
Dancing with my dolls
On the MadaBaka Beat
Not your toy

I don't care where this song comes from or who sings it - this is utter sh1t, period. It just rides the horse of the "PC theme of the week".

Try_harder

Try_harder wrote: »

Guess what song is stuck in my head this morning?

I know
I know what you must be thinking
That we are
Powerless to change things
But don't, don't give up
'Cause we got love

I'm still amazed it was bottom of the televote. I do think the staging could have been better and all that stomping was possibly a bit off putting. Still deserved to be much higher though.

LennieB

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

The most disappointing Eurovision I've ever watched in terms of song quality.

The only two songs that stood out for me were Spain and Denmark.

Spain were absolutely robbed though - how did that song only come 23d? I thought it was the obvious winner, so I clearly have no idea anymore. I used to be pretty good at calling who would win or do well, but none of the songs that were voted into the top spots were even on my radar.

Same here, I voted for Spain as was one that really stood out for me, surprised it didn't do better - I said it last night but I think the clip they play during the playback of all the songs during the voting has a big influence on the public vote - the clip they played of Israel was the only catchy part of the song , rest of song was terrible and e.g. Lithuania they played the very end of the song which was strange as it didn't represent the song at all.

Try_harder

Can we all laugh at those that hyped Ireland as a possible contender- esp the Indo