Maribor Vs Liverpool - 19:45 - TV3/BT Sport

Mint Sauce

4-0. Can't help feeling though, it will make up for the goal we will probably eventually concede. Still not longing great at the back/counter attack at times.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

DS15 might be able to get his stats back on track if he gets a run out in the second half.

winning a game comfortably and that's your thoughts
Noice

Stevecw

Should take Salah and Coutinho off at half time. They have travelled a lot the last 2 weeks and no point risking them with Spurs to play on Sunday.
Get Solanke and the Ox on.

johnpatrick81

3 changes at half time please.

Osmosis Jones

I'd be taking some of the front lads off, this pitch is a mess and the last thing we want is another injury. Get Ox and Solanke on, Sturridge maybe but again he'd have a lovely time hurting himself on that grass.

marklazarcovic

leave mo on,hes rippin them to bits,could set up a couple for solanke

dogbert27

Naby Keita:
41/45 passes
2/3 take ons
3 interceptions
9 recoveries
1 block

Looking forward to seeing him in a Pool shirt

Iused2likebusts

Salah and coutinho off at ht please.

Mr.H

murpho999 wrote: »

If we need a leader then it is down to individuals?

Lovren is a liability who I do not trust one bit. Moreno not far behind.

With a good leader it allows for some averageness to be on the pitch. A good leader will keep his team mates alert. Think Carras argument with Arbeloa. Carra made sure nobody at the back got complacent. See tonight as an example. Our defence are starting to relax becuase they know the game is won. The problem is we are one stupid goal away from this becoming a debate about our defence again.

I made the point in the superthread that against big teams our defence plays brilliantly and rarely concedes (City game aside of course). Its because for the whole game the defence are alert. They dont get a second to "relax".

I feel this is Klopps mentality and his reasoning for not thinking our defenders are that bad. Obviously he keeps talking about switching off so none of what I am saying here is some genius analysis of the game.

Agent Coulson

That was a great ball across the 6 yard box for the 4th by Moreno.

SlickRic

Scoring four in a half, no matter how shít the opposition, can only help confidence.

Get Coutinho and Salah off the field.
Ox and Sturridge/Solanke on now.

SlickRic

Mr.H wrote: »

With a good leader it allows for some averageness to be on the pitch. A good leader will keep his team mates alert. Think Carras argument with Arbeloa. Carra made sure nobody at the back got complacent. See tonight as an example. Our defence are starting to relax becuase they know the game is won. The problem is we are one stupid goal away from this becoming a debate about our defence again.

I made the point in the superthread that against big teams our defence plays brilliantly and rarely concedes (City game aside of course). Its because for the whole game the defence are alert. They dont get a second to "relax".

I couldn't agree more. Spot on.

ricero

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That was a great ball across the 6 yard box for the 4th by Moreno.

Moreno has been grand since klopp has brought him back in from the cold. Dont think he is good enough long term but he has improved drastically this season

billymitchell

Great opportunity for ox and Sturbridge to build their confidence if they get on

Harry Palmr

I wonder if Besiktas are hoping Liverpool don't ease up.

shamrock55

We'd all like to see 8 or 10 goals now,but let's just get some subs on now please,we have hear points in the bag

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

............

I feel this is Klopps mentality and his reasoning for not thinking our defenders are that bad. Obviously he keeps talking about switching off so none of what I am saying here is some genius analysis of the game.

Yeah, but at this level part of being a good defender is not switching off. It's an inherent requirement and the lads we have have proven consistently they switch off far too often.

shamrock55

We still won't score from a corner though,in all seriousness we must have the worst corner conversion rate in world football

murpho999

Mr.H wrote: »

With a good leader it allows for some averageness to be on the pitch. A good leader will keep his team mates alert. Think Carras argument with Arbeloa. Carra made sure nobody at the back got complacent. See tonight as an example. Our defence are starting to relax becuase they know the game is won. The problem is we are one stupid goal away from this becoming a debate about our defence again.

I made the point in the superthread that against big teams our defence plays brilliantly and rarely concedes (City game aside of course). Its because for the whole game the defence are alert. They dont get a second to "relax".

I feel this is Klopps mentality and his reasoning for not thinking our defenders are that bad. Obviously he keeps talking about switching off so none of what I am saying here is some genius analysis of the game.

Fair points and well put.

Still think we can improve on what we have though. Players at this level should not have concentration issues.

Especially when they have been caught out before, they should have learnt from their mistakes.

dogbert27

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I wonder if Besiktas are hoping Liverpool don't ease up.

And Malmo. Real Madrid hit them for 8 too.

Both Liverpool and Madrid were managed at the time by that defensive manager Benitez!!

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

............

I feel this is Klopps mentality and his reasoning for not thinking our defenders are that bad. Obviously he keeps talking about switching off so none of what I am saying here is some genius analysis of the game.

Yeah, but at this level part of being a good defender is not switching off. It's an inherent requirement and the lads we have have proven consistently they switch off far too often.

citytillidie

Another high boot lol against Liverpool going unpunished

shamrock55

We are actually being very wastefull

Harry Palmr

Wiji is never going to score an away goal - ever.

Mmmm

Osmosis Jones

Too much sympathy from the ref, clear penalty there.

martyos121

shamrock55 wrote: »

We still won't score from a corner though,in all seriousness we must have the worst corner conversion rate in world football

4-0 up and you're complaining about corners. Typical.

murpho999

shamrock55 wrote: »

We are actually being very wastefull

Tends to happen when 4-0 up.

Agent Coulson

5

Mr.H

Augeo wrote: »

Yeah, but at this level part of being a good defender is not switching off. It's an inherent requirement and the lads we have have proven consistently they switch off far too often.

Its true. I kinda think of it like the teacher leaving the classroom or the boss leaving the office. When nobody is in charge you just get chaos.

I wont argue the fact we need to improve. I am also not saying things are fine and we dont need to fix anything. My theory is merely trying to make reason out of why Klopps doesnt think its as big an issue as everyone else.

We need to purchase a leader (doesnt have to be our new captain). They also do not necessarily need to be a center back as far as I am concerned. But if they are a center back or commanding center mid I'll be happy.

Dont get me wrong Id be delighted if we replaced the whole back 5 (keeper as well) but realistically Klopop doesn't seem to want to.

shamrock55

Over 6.5 goals is 4/5 and over 7.5 is 5/2 that's printing money

Charlie19

shamrock55 wrote: »

Over 6.5 goals is 4/5 and over 7.5 is 5/2 that's printing money

But ox is on and everyone knows he is a bad omen.

murpho999

shamrock55 wrote: »

Over 6.5 goals is 4/5 and over 7.5 is 5/2 that's printing money

I don't gamble so how does this .5 goal thing work?

shamrock55

martyos121 wrote: »

4-0 up and you're complaining about corners. Typical.

Not talking about just tonight though,we are shockingly bad at corners and have been for a few years now

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

.........

I wont argue the fact we need to improve. I am also not saying things are fine and we dont need to fix anything. My theory is merely trying to make reason out of why Klopps doesnt think its as big an issue as everyone else..............

He was willing to buy Virgil for £60m or something, that's indicative he reckons our defence is a big issue IMO

ricero

Moscow beating sevilla

Mr.H

shamrock55 wrote: »

Not talking about just tonight though,we are shockingly bad at corners and have been for a few years now

Our corners have been poor since Rafa

shamrock55

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't gamble so how does this .5 goal thing work?

Basically over 6.5 is over 6 goals , over 7.5 is over 7 and so on

rizzodun

shamrock55 wrote: »

Basically over 6.5 is over 6 goals , over 7.5 is over 7 and so on

Why not say 7 goals or more, or 8 or more?

FixdePitchmark

Milner improves our midfield - but not sure you should judge anything from this.

Mr.H

Augeo wrote: »

He was willing to buy Virgil for £60m or something, that's indicative he reckons our defence is a big issue IMO

He also praised how good Virgil is at reading the game which stems into what I am saying.

If he just thought it was our defence he would have signed someone. He wanted VVD not just because he is a good defender. There was loads of good defenders available this summer.

murpho999

shamrock55 wrote: »

Basically over 6.5 is over 6 goals , over 7.5 is over 7 and so on

So what's the half for?

Are you so critical of Liverpool's play that you only count some goals as half?

shamrock55

rizzodun wrote: »

Why not say 7 goals or more, or 8 or more?

Dunno it's just bookie speak,I don't make the rules

5starpool

Is it just me, or does Klopp always seem to take players off who score 2 goals? Who was the last player to get a hattrick for us?

FixdePitchmark

Ox or Solanke could do with a confidence run.

Mr.H

rizzodun wrote: »

Why not say 7 goals or more, or 8 or more?

Because you cant get .5 of a goal so it obviously means you have to get 1 more

Stevecw

Solanke for Coutinho now surely makes sense

ricero

Game has died a bit now

Agent Coulson

Well Salah and Firmino look to have got .5 of a goal each tonight.

5starpool

ricero wrote: »

Game has died a bit now

Always going to happen. Save the legs for Sunday and all that.