535D......madness?

MetzgerMeister

Wailin wrote: »

Very good value for a 152 with only 10,000 or so miles. Not a fan of the bling on the luxury spec though. Hurst motors do throw up some deals in fairness.

There's no way that price and mileage is right. Something up there. Personally I think it's on Irish plates just for the ad and you'll be looking at import duty etc.

Either there's a 0 missing in the mileage or it's not actually imported to ROI yet.

carsfan2

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

There's no way that price and mileage is right. Something up there. Personally I think it's on Irish plates just for the ad and you'll be looking at import duty etc.

Either there's a 0 missing in the mileage or it's not actually imported to ROI yet.

I did a VIN check on it based on the reg and it checks out ok. Has a heads up display and comfort seats too. Fine car.

MetzgerMeister

Ah, it's not an M-Sport, that's why. Still though, very cheap for that kind of mileage and engine.

Wailin

Casati wrote: »

Do you need as large a car as the 5 series? There is savage value in the U.K in 2017 335xd Tourings. You’d have 2 plus years warranty that you can extend further on these. I’d be v worried running a 535d out of warranty unless you have v deep pockets

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201709219524004?advertising-location=at_cars&keywords=335d&year-from=2017&postcode=n87ex&body-type=Estate&sort=price-asc&page=1&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

3 series too small for me. Plus i don't think id like the drop in comfort and refinement.

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

Car history sounds fine alright and I wouldn’t worry about phasing out of diesel in the short to medium term. While it will happen eventually, diesel will be around for next few years. There are so many diesel cars on the road that change will have to be gradual.
I would really question whether you will really notice the performance gains in day to day driving. A 525d is more rapid than vast majority of cars and how much quicker will you really go in a 535d and not get points or worse?
If you want to move up a year and lose mileage anyway then it’s a nice move as even to change to a 520d would cost you but at the end of the day you will have higher running costs too.
First world problems!

No i don't need the extra performance in fairness. I like the fact that it's a nice sleeper though and low mileage, spec is better than mine too. Cost to change once they saw the condition of my car has improved a bit...its a far better deal than id get from bmw dealers. Is it worth the increase in yearly running costs? Probably not, but yeah, first world problems!

drunkmonkey

I thought the 535d touring would be a huge jump from the 2.0d you currently have, was getting my car serviced in BMW a few weeks ago and they gave me a lend of a manual 520d it felt a word away from my 530. Surprised you didn't think more of it.
Wouldn't worry about the shake it probably hasn't been tracked right. That car is way over priced though was thinking of going to an estate and that one was on the radar but changing the mrs car now instead as i'm very happy with mine.
If you want comfort and refinement you don't need an msport, some tasty extras you'll see in SE that you won't be in the msports as they've sacrificed looks over comfort and toys and that is especially true in original irish cars.

Plenty to choose from in the UK have a look here https://www.carsite.co.uk/used-car/bmw/5-series/option/es/2950-20000/ft/diesel/sort/pricemin/tr/automatic/yf/2014

Wailin

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That car is way over priced though

I think it's priced within reason (for rip off ireland anyway) considering it was 80k plus brand new. The only other 14 535d is a saloon and its 2k more expensive, even though the touring has a higher premium when new. Plus the trade in with bmw would be worse so prob 3-4k difference in cost to change. Buying in this country is a joke compared to uk but that's not an option for me as i have a car to trade.

Edit: what year is your 530d drunk monkey?

bazz26

If you are comfortable with the cost to change and happy with the car then I'd go for it. I know it's always easy to recommend spending someone else's money but life can be full of regrets as they say. You'll be dead long enough and you will probably pine for one every time you see a similar car.

I'm hoping to upgrade to a 430d at some stage myself if I can find one with the right spec at the right price.

Prezatch

bazz26 wrote: »

If you are comfortable with the cost to change and happy with the car then I'd go for it. I know it's always easy to recommend spending someone else's money but life can be full of regrets as they say. You'll be dead long enough and you will probably pine for one every time you see a similar car.

I'm hoping to upgrade to a 430d at some stage myself if I can find one with the right spec at the right price.

4 series is an awesome looking car. Do you have a 320d or something at the moment? Much difference with the 430d assuming you've test drove?

bazz26

Have a 520d at the moment. Haven't driven a 430d but did drive a 530d. It's the Gran Coupe I'd be interested in.

drunkmonkey

Wailin wrote: »

I think it's priced within reason (for rip off ireland anyway) considering it was 80k plus brand new. The only other 14 535d is a saloon and its 2k more expensive, even though the touring has a higher premium when new. Plus the trade in with bmw would be worse so prob 3-4k difference in cost to change. Buying in this country is a joke compared to uk but that's not an option for me as i have a car to trade.

Edit: what year is your 530d drunk monkey?

F10 2010 with loads of extras, has all the toys like sports wheel, paddle shifter, widscreen dvd etc. Couldn't find a similar spec in the country, couldn't even find one with electric folding mirrors which was essential. Bought it with very low miles and 1 owner, would like to go up a few years only reason i'd change it but don't think i'll bother just yet. I'd be spending a lot to end up in a similar or less specd one.
Spent the last 6mts looking at different options, everything for the 335xd mentioned above to Volco XC90.
Not a fan of the new 5 series with the tablet sticking out of the dash, I much prefer the new Audi interior where you can press a button and the tablet disappears, I think they have the edge on BMW interior wise at the moment. Test drove a 15, x5 recently and thought it was an awful ball of crap, tatty interior, cheap plastics, bits falling off everywhere, finger holes in the cheap leather trim on the doors, really put me off looking at a newish bmw as my own is a lot better built inside, standards have really dropped, it felt so cheap for a 100k car.

rabbitinlights

Wailin wrote: »

First thing that struck me immediately, compared to the 525d, was how nose heavy the car feels. That 3litre engine must weigh a ton. I felt the steering not as responsive, more numb I would say, compared to my own. The car just felt heavier over all.

Next thing i noticed was how quiet and refined the engine was at low revs. Very smooth. But once i floored it.....that sound! No rattle or strain you get with the 2litre, just a lovely rising roar that had me smiling like a kid. Overtaking was just so effortless...and put it into sport and it just keeps going and going.

I will say though that it made me realise my own car is no slouch.....it didn't blow me away as much as i expected.

The jump between the 520d and 525d (2.0) feels much bigger than the 525d and 535d - I'd say down to the extra extra weight, The 535d is something like 150kg heavier and it's primarily over the nose.

You're really paying for the smoothness of that engine, I personally think it's worth it and would go for it - just make sure those niggles are sorted before collection.

It's not the same thing, but I went for the 525d over the 520d in my touring and feel it was money well spent.

carsfan2

I had a f31 330d and before that f10 520d. You really do feel the extra weight of the bigger engine and handling does suffer as a result. The other thing with the larger engine is that it takes longer to warm up so I always found on my commute of about 17 miles mixed driving it was not up to peak operating temperature until nearly at work and as a result fuel economy was poor. That said beautiful engine for a journey and effortless power.

Wailin

rabbitinlights wrote: »

The jump between the 520d and 525d (2.0) feels much bigger than the 525d and 535d - I'd say down to the extra extra weight, The 535d is something like 150kg heavier and it's primarily over the nose.

You're really paying for the smoothness of that engine, I personally think it's worth it and would go for it - just make sure those niggles are sorted before collection.

It's not the same thing, but I went for the 525d over the 520d in my touring and feel it was money well spent.

Is yours the 2 litre 215hp 525d like my own?

Wailin

Got talking to the previous owner of the 535d touring. The chap is a definite car enthusiast and I can tell he really looked after that car. One thing though that he said put me on guard. One of the turbos had to be replaced under warranty while he had it. Is that something I should be concerned about? What would cause a turbo to go on a low mileage car? He wasn't sure if it was the primary one but it was replaced at a cost of 4.5k :eek:. The car will come with a 12 month warranty.

carsfan2

If you’re going ahead I would check the small print on the warranty. BMW cars in general are expensive to put right especially at the higher end. I know you pay a premium for an approved car from a BMW dealer but the warranty is very good with it. I had about 8k of work done on a two year old x5 a few years back and was blessed I had bought a premium selection car from a BMW dealer when things started going wrong.

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

If you’re going ahead I would check the small print on the warranty. BMW cars in general are expensive to put right especially at the higher end. I know you pay a premium for an approved car from a BMW dealer but the warranty is very good with it. I had about 8k of work done on a two year old x5 a few years back and was blessed I had bought a premium selection car from a BMW dealer when things started going wrong.

Yeah i spoke to the sales guy about it and turbo is covered but no consolation if it goes after year and a half. The fact that it has been fixed may mean it won't happen again but who knows.

What are you driving at the moment carsfan?

bazz26

You could always take out your own extended warranty beyond that of the dealers here for extra peace of mind:

https://www.bmw-warranty.ie/Start

carsfan2

Wailin wrote: »

Yeah i spoke to the sales guy about it and turbo is covered but no consolation if it goes after year and a half. The fact that it has been fixed may mean it won't happen again but who knows.

What are you driving at the moment carsfan?

I’ve got a 330e m sport. It’s a plug in hybrid and great car for my useage and a x5 25d for family duties. The x5 would have same drivetrain as your 525d I suppose.

rabbitinlights

Wailin wrote: »

Is yours the 2 litre 215hp 525d like my own?

Yep.

Leonard Hofstadter

carsfan2 wrote: »

If you’re going ahead I would check the small print on the warranty. BMW cars in general are expensive to put right especially at the higher end. I know you pay a premium for an approved car from a BMW dealer but the warranty is very good with it. I had about 8k of work done on a two year old x5 a few years back and was blessed I had bought a premium selection car from a BMW dealer when things started going wrong.

Once it's out of warranty bring it to a good specialist.

Unlike a main dealer they'll know what they're talking about and they'll be miles cheaper than a main dealer not just in terms of labour but parts as well.

I know for example on my (admittedly much older) BMW a new MAF is about €380 from BMW but the same MAF made by the same people (except not in a BMW box) is about €250 from my specialist.

There is no need for a turbo replacement to cost €4,500, I would have expected it to come to about €1,500-2,000 at a specialist - so still not cheap, but an awful lot more manageable than main dealer rates.

The other thing in relation to maintenance is to ignore the stupidly long variable service intervals - I know in my 14 year old one the indicator says I can do 15,525 miles between services (and I can do more than that really depending on how I drive it - it might only go down by 200 miles on a 250 mile motorway drive) but all oil should be changed ideally at least every 10,000 miles and certainly it should never go beyond 12,000 miles/20,000 km or once a year on the same oil (whichever is the more frequent) no matter what the indicator claims it can do.

I bet if the service intervals were cut back to more sensible limits we'd never have had the well documented timing chain problems these engines can suffer from.

BMWs are not unreliable cars but they certainly need more minding than your average car and skimping on maintenance today will cost you more tomorrow.

Wailin

Completely agree captainspeed. My current car gets oil changes every year, no matter what mileage is done. Bmw were a bit taken aback when i told them to do it on the last service. Trying to tell me it wasn't needed but i had it done. 30,000 km or every 2 yrs is just too long and asking for trouble.

drunkmonkey

I let BMW do the oil services in mine but I do nearly 50k a year and it's 30k between oil services, I don't mind paying a bit extra as they give me a car for the day while it's been serviced. Let them service my old 530 as well, I've had no issues.
Any odd ball repairs I'll take it to the indy.

Wailin

Just to update i ended up going for the 535d saloon over the touring. As soon as i drove it i knew i was buying it. Didn't feel as nose heavy as the touring, felt much tighter and loads more spec inc sport auto, 360 camera with park assist, variable damper control which makes handling so much better its almost like two different cars. 2 yr warranty was another factor plus interior so much more plush with the oyster/black finish.

Got them to close the gap on cost to change between the two cars but its a much higher specced car and with 2 yr warranty they were never going to match the touring price wise.

Collected her yesterday and absolutely loving it.

bazz26

Wailin wrote: »

Just to update i ended up going for the 535d saloon over the touring. As soon as i drove it i knew i was buying it. Didn't feel as nose heavy as the touring, felt much tighter and loads more spec inc sport auto, 360 camera with park assist, variable damper control which makes handling so much better its almost like two different cars. 2 yr warranty was another factor plus interior so much more plush with the oyster/black finish.

Got them to close the gap on cost to change between the two cars but its a much higher specced car and with 2 yr warranty they were never going to match the touring price wise.

Collected her yesterday and absolutely loving it.

Congratulations dude. Waiting now for the mandatory photos to follow. Did you insurance increase by much?

carsfan2

Well wear as they say.
Was that m sport or luxury spec I can’t remember?
I know you pay a premium but on a car like that Bmw warranty is worth having.
Enjoy.

Wailin

Thanks lads.

M Sport, sophisto grey in colour....lovely colour actually in the flesh. Suits the M sport with sun protection glass. Debadged with M rather than model, only thing gives it away is twin exhaust.

No change in insurance, just small admin fee of €25 to swap over. Will probably jump up a few hundred though in June when it expires.

bazz26

Was that the 15 reg one for sale in Conlan's, Limerick by any chance?

Edit: Nevermind, Conlan's one is actually a 530d.

Wailin

14 reg one in Colm Quinn's, athlone. They actually have a 13 reg one exact same exterior colour and same black front grill. Interior is black rather than oyster/black but it's a nicely specced one too with adaptive drive. Mileage on the high side.

carsfan2

How were Colm Quinn Bmw to deal with?
I have heard good reports.
Discussing trade in values myself with my usual dealer would you recommend them?

captainspeed

captainspeed wrote: »

Once it's out of warranty bring it to a good specialist.

Unlike a main dealer they'll know what they're talking about and they'll be miles cheaper than a main dealer not just in terms of labour but parts as well.

I know for example on my (admittedly much older) BMW a new MAF is about €380 from BMW but the same MAF made by the same people (except not in a BMW box) is about €250 from my specialist.

There is no need for a turbo replacement to cost €4,500, I would have expected it to come to about €1,500-2,000 at a specialist - so still not cheap, but an awful lot more manageable than main dealer rates.

........

Most specialists were main dealer trained or worked for a main dealer. I'm no fan boy of main dealers but I'm struggling to fathom how they'd be in the dark compared to specialists to the extent you claim.

The price of OE Mafs bought in non BMW packaging being cheaper has nothing to do with your specialist.

It was a €4500 turbo replacement under warranty iirc.... the fact a specialist is cheaper is immaterial when the work is covered under warranty.

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

How were Colm Quinn Bmw to deal with?
I have heard good reports.
Discussing trade in values myself with my usual dealer would you recommend them?

Yep, I would recommend them. Like all bmw dealers at the moment sales are down. Go in with a figure in mind and stick to it. More than likely they will meet it after playing hardball. Its a pity they are so far away in athlone as I'd rather give them the business with services etc over my usual dealer in dublin.

MetzgerMeister

I was up in colm quinns in Athlone today getting a scheduled service. I find them very good to deal with.

Wailin

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I was up in colm quinns in Athlone today getting a scheduled service. I find them very good to deal with.

Do you live near them or do you travel just to use them over other dealers?

Theboinkmaster

Wailin wrote: »

Do you live near them or do you travel just to use them over other dealers?

IMO best place in Dublin to bring car to BMW dealer is Joe Duffy in Dun Laoghaire (Porsche dealership).

MetzgerMeister

Wailin wrote: »

Do you live near them or do you travel just to use them over other dealers?

I bought the car from them but I still go to them in order to give the car a blast. I live in Tipp and Morrisons in Cahir are only 20 minutes away but I have a good relationship with the guys in Athlone.

Wailin

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I bought the car from them but I still go to them in order to give the car a blast. I live in Tipp and Morrisons in Cahir are only 20 minutes away but I have a good relationship with the guys in Athlone.

Yeah i might do the same although its an hour of a drive for me. Presume there's no hassle in them giving you a car for the day?

MetzgerMeister

Wailin wrote: »

Yeah i might do the same although its an hour of a drive for me. Presume there's no hassle in them giving you a car for the day?

It's an hour and a half drive (x2) for me. I always just hang around there and wait for it to be done. No point in being given a car to go home only to have to take more time off work another day to go back up again.

Every time I have booked in for a service they have asked me if I need a car to go home again so I presume they can work something out for you. Just don't be expecting to get an M car to toddle home in :pac: