White Pines Rathfarnham

Captain Flaps

Hi Jen

daithiK1

dkiernan9 wrote: »

The only real problem with the halting site is the dumping around it. The Council have done absolutely nothing about it. I understand bin contractors will not go into the site and so the Council seem to allow the dumping and then collect it every 6 months. They are unable to look after 10 houses and then they propose another 40!!

It might be worth your while broadening your research to a few of the wider estates both sides of m50 before concluding thats the only real problem.

dkiernan9

Care to elaborate?

daithiK1

dkiernan9 wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Nope other than to say i live in a mature estate about three km down the road and felt the need for a significant upgrade in home security in the last two years.

dkiernan9

Very helpful. Thanks. Is there not another halting site beside boden park? Seems that would be closer to you.

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dkiernan9 wrote: »

The only real problem with the halting site is the dumping around it. The Council have done absolutely nothing about it. I understand bin contractors will not go into the site and so the Council seem to allow the dumping and then collect it every 6 months. They are unable to look after 10 houses and then they propose another 40!!

There are definitely more problems than just dumping.

Between that site and the one in Daletree there is a significant amount of petty and opportunistic crime locally. From nonsense like robbing washing off clotheslines to car theft and joy riding, to anti social behaviour round the local shops. In addition the Garda helicopter will generally alert you to more serious issues - the Dublin Mountains being a favoured get away route.

Over recent years badly damaged cockerals have been getting dumped out along the road close to that site also - so presumably there is a cock fighting ring going on too. I did almost drive right into a bare knuckle fight on the street outside the site one day too but they moved it back within the boundaries of the site when they saw people driving past.

DirkVoodoo

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There are definitely more problems than just dumping.

Between that site and the one in Daletree there is a significant amount of petty and opportunistic crime locally. From nonsense like robbing washing off clotheslines to car theft and joy riding, to anti social behaviour round the local shops. In addition the Garda helicopter will generally alert you to more serious issues - the Dublin Mountains being a favoured get away route.

Over recent years badly damaged cockerals have been getting dumped out along the road close to that site also - so presumably there is a cock fighting ring going on too. I did almost drive right into a bare knuckle fight on the street outside the site one day too but they moved it back within the boundaries of the site when they saw people driving past.

I remember we moved to one of the first new developments in Foxrock back in 1990. The area was mostly the big old houses that have now made way for more estates, super-mansions and the m50.

Anyway, I remember some traveller kids chasing a donkey through the gardens. Myself and another guy followed after them (being 7 years old at the time!) and had a bit of an issue with them when they saw us.

In that time it was our family home, I saw the area expand and gentrify. The same has now happened on Glenamuck road.

The same might happen here, who knows, I don't think the anti-social element will be able to increase with more community pressure on gardai and councils to take action.

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DirkVoodoo wrote: »

The same might happen here, who knows, I don't think the anti-social element will be able to increase with more community pressure on gardai and councils to take action.

Possibly. The Daletree site is there since the 70s and has been more problematic in the past 10 years than in the preceeding 30 (I have lived within a couple of km of it for over 40 years).

DirkVoodoo

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Possibly. The Daletree site is there since the 70s and has been more problematic in the past 10 years than in the preceeding 30 (I have lived within a couple of km of it for over 40 years).

I guess with all of these things it's a case of rolling the dice. Which I would prefer not to do but short of winning the lotto I can't pick my neighbours.

Hopefully everyone within the estate is grand!

seany212121

Anyone know about this at all within the estate reading this article seems like a lot of social houses

McGrath5

seany212121 wrote: »

Anyone know about this at all within the estate reading this article seems like a lot of social houses

Unreal, meanwhile in the real world the rest of us mugs get up early everyday to pay our mortgages.

Why do councils need to house their tenants in nearly €500k properties?

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seany212121 wrote: »

Anyone know about this at all within the estate reading this article seems like a lot of social houses

Its 30.

Given the numbers of properties being built there its tiny.

Grassey

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Its 30.

Given the numbers of properties being built there its tiny.

from the article of 175 houses. So almost 1 in 5.

DirkVoodoo

I have been lucky enough to live in some of the nicest areas of Dublin, in Ballsbridge specifically.

2 neighbours there were complete assholes: Barking dogs left inside during working hours (I was a student at the time, so plenty of "at home" study hours), cars blocking our driveway, loud music coming through the walls at all hours and even the odd party one of which spilled out onto the street and ended up with the Gardai arriving. In ballsbridge!

I'll admit that some of this concerns me, but only because the irrational part of my brain thinks that "social housing" always equals "people who want to cause trouble". Which is completely ridiculous.

I presume if there are issues, it is the council's responsibility? I would also think that they are interested in making their investment worthwhile and not upsetting the other residents, so there will be some selection criteria applied to who gets a house?

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Grassey wrote: »

from the article of 175 houses. So almost 1 in 5.

I was really making that comment in the wider context of the number of houses built up there over the past few years, not just White Pines. Although 30 out of 175 is still nothing to get exercised about IMO - its possibly one or two cul de sacs.

There must be 500-600 new builds along Stocking Lane in the past few years - and with the exception of the traveller site at the end which was already in existence and one batch of properties bought by SDCC in Dalriada a few years back, Ive not heard of any others that are exclusively social housing?

I can certainly think of better ways for the council to spend on social housing than on properties valued over 400k each though, and I think they could have housed far more people for far less money by buying elsewhere in the council zone.

DirkVoodoo

The proper thing to do here is to make sure that all private residents are in close communication and keep each other alerted to any problems before they become serious.

Council tenants have to abide by a code of conduct like any other tenant, a violation of this would see them evicted.

The council will listen to the entire estate if there are complaints about trouble makers.

mohm.kamal

Hi,

I'm looking for a house in South Dublin and one of the development I was looking at is White Pines. However I heard some feedback about the area that there is a Halting Site nearby White Pines.

So, first all, because I'm not originally from Ireland .. what is a Halting Site? and why would a halting site beside White Pines is a very bad situation?

It would be ideal if someone lives there in White Pines and could share his experience.

Thanks alot for your help

timmy_mallet

mohm.kamal wrote: »

Hi,

I'm looking for a house in South Dublin and one of the development I was looking at is White Pines. However I heard some feedback about the area that there is a Halting Site nearby White Pines.

So, first all, because I'm not originally from Ireland .. what is a Halting Site? and why would a halting site beside White Pines is a very bad situation?

It would be ideal if someone lives there in White Pines and could share his experience.

Thanks alot for your help

Halting Site - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_site

The bigger concerns for me with White Pines would be the proximity to the M50 (some of the house back onto it:eek:), the traffic getting on the roads down near Ballycullen and Rathfarnham, and the lack of any amenities nearby.

ScallionAyter

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Halting Site - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_site

The bigger concerns for me with White Pines would be the proximity to the M50 (some of the house back onto it:eek:), the traffic getting on the roads down near Ballycullen and Rathfarnham, and the lack of any amenities nearby.

Traffic is a bigger concern to you than a halting site close by? Pull the other one.


ha. ha. ha.

Jet Black

Personally I wouldn't be looking there. Its just not a good location for the above reasons and they're very average looking houses for the price.

JustMe,K

This would be of interest to me if I were considering the estate http://www.echo.ie/news/article/council-spend-13m-on-thirty-new-homes

mohm.kamal

Thank you all for your replies, it really helped me a alot

The bigger concerns for me with White Pines would be the proximity to the M50 (some of the house back onto it), the traffic getting on the roads down near Ballycullen and Rathfarnham, and the lack of any amenities nearby.

I agree, but why do you think that living nearby a halting site is safe? Again, I'm coming from another country and the definition of "safety and dodge areas" are different.

Personally I wouldn't be looking there. Its just not a good location for the above reasons and they're very average looking houses for the price.

So you think 425k for 3-bed room houses in this area is overpriced?

Dial Hard

There's already an entire big. long thread about White Pines.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057801485

Leeroy!

Apparently it’s 30 spread across both sites and not just in the already released phases.
Somewhat good news for those who have or are soon to buy.
Most likely everything will be fine, there’s so much growth happening and it’s such early days that the community will grow nicely and positively over the next 5 years. Onwards and upwards I say. Stay positive guys.

apples22

Hi all. Has anyone moved into this development? Just wondering what experiences are like with the estate, the builders and quality of the buildings? I’ve heard mixed things about the area - much like what is mentioned already in this thread. I’m also interested in knowing if build quality is good in the terraced houses (soundproofing with neighbours, ventilation). Thanks.

Hybrasil

apples22 wrote: »

Hi all. Has anyone moved into this development? Just wondering what experiences are like with the estate, the builders and quality of the buildings? I’ve heard mixed things about the area - much like what is mentioned already in this thread. I’m also interested in knowing if build quality is good in the terraced houses (soundproofing with neighbours, ventilation). Thanks.

Moved in last November into one of the terraced houses - delighted with it so far! Family with children living next door and we're amazed but never hear them, so noise proofing seems good, it's block wall between. Quality is over all good, no issues (although less than 5 months in!) foreman was excellent I'd have to say in getting a few small things during snagging done with no arguing (small touch-ups to paint etc). House is really warm as you'd expect, there is a ventilation system so no issues there either, air-quality is good and velux windows can be opened electronically & closed so can give the bathroom and upstairs landing an air-out when needed. I go running and cycling in the area, very early days but no issues, people who have moved in are friendly, mostly young couples or young families. Landscaping is lovely, they have just added some outdoor exercise equipment and looks like they will open up the pedestrian route into the park/playing pitches next door soon.

Feel free to PM me if any more detailed questions!

vkus6mt3y8zg2q

You are miles from everything in that estate. To get on m50 in morning you'll be queued most of the way back up the ballycullen road. To pay circa half a million for a house here is insane

DirkVoodoo

Jensen Mushy Airplane wrote: »

You are miles from everything in that estate. To get on m50 in morning you'll be queued most of the way back up the ballycullen road. To pay circa half a million for a house here is insane

Welcome to Dublin. I cycled up here after work last night and I was disappointed to see a lot of the quieter back roads around Cruagh being used as a rat run. Transport in the area isn't ideal, but unless you are willing to pay a premium to be in Dundrum or Rathmines, you're going to be far from most things.

Not that much of a problem if you're willing to cycle or invest in a cargo bike for shopping.

Dial Hard

Jensen Mushy Airplane wrote: »

You are miles from everything in that estate. To get on m50 in morning you'll be queued most of the way back up the ballycullen road. To pay circa half a million for a house here is insane

Yeah, the Ballycullen Road has gotten appreciably worse in the mornings over the past couple of months. Bus lane and driving lane back to the Hunterswood entrance by 8.15 every morning now and staying that way til almost 9am. Someone on this thread suggested a while back that White Pines residents would access the M50 via Scholarstown Road but I had my very serious doubts about whether that would be the case and it looks like I was right.

Living up that direction is becoming more and more miserable with the amount of traffic being generated. I've taken to avoiding the Ballycullen Road/M50 route altogether but the alternatives aren't a whole lot better, tbh. Took me 14 minutes to get from Hunterswood to the lights at the Old Mill this morning.

steamsey

Dial Hard wrote: »

Yeah, the Ballycullen Road has gotten appreciably worse in the mornings over the past couple of months. Bus lane and driving lane back to the Hunterswood entrance by 8.15 every morning now and staying that way til almost 9am. Someone on this thread suggested a while back that White Pines residents would access the M50 via Scholarstown Road but I had my very serious doubts about whether that would be the case and it looks like I was right.

Living up that direction is becoming more and more miserable with the amount of traffic being generated. I've taken to avoiding the Ballycullen Road/M50 route altogether but the alternatives aren't a whole lot better, tbh. Took me 14 minutes to get from Hunterswood to the lights at the Old Mill this morning.

I'm not commenting on the area in general here - just the traffic. But if you think the traffic is bad now, just wait until White Pines and Ballycullen Green are fully occupied.

steamsey

Jensen Mushy Airplane wrote: »

You are miles from everything in that estate. To get on m50 in morning you'll be queued most of the way back up the ballycullen road. To pay circa half a million for a house here is insane

It's not really miles from everything at all - very close to parks, shopping centres, schools, creches etc etc. Location is actually great, problem is if you are reliant on a car to get around.

Dial Hard

steamsey wrote: »

I'm not commenting on the area in general here - just the traffic. But if you think the traffic is bad now, just wait until White Pines and Ballycullen Green are fully occupied.

I know. That's my fear. When I moved in, Hunterswood was the last of the houses and the traffic was bad then. We've since had Stocking Well & Stocking Wood, Dalriada, Abbot's Grove, Dodderbrook, Ballycullen Green, and White Pines built, with more phases of the latter two still to come, and pretty much nothing in the way of traffic planning done, other than the widening of the hatched markings on Colmcille's Way about 10 years ago.

It's just absolutely mental. I know there's a housing crisis and Dublin desperately needs more housing stock built, but for the love of God can we please have some actual traffic planning and capacity checks done in tandem???

DirkVoodoo

Dial Hard wrote: »

I know. That's my fear. When I moved in, Hunterswood was the last of the houses and the traffic was bad then. We've since had Stocking Well & Stocking Wood, Dalriada, Abbot's Grove, Dodderbrook, Ballycullen Green, and White Pines built, with more phases of the latter two still to come, and pretty much nothing in the way of traffic planning done, other than the widening of the hatched markings on Colmcille's Way about 10 years ago.

It's just absolutely mental. I know there's a housing crisis and Dublin desperately needs more housing stock built, but for the love of God can we please have some actual traffic planning and capacity checks done in tandem???

Most of this can be solved by better public transport links (govt) and people accepting that driving to work in Dublin isn't really a sustainable option.

Frisbee

steamsey wrote: »

It's not really miles from everything at all - very close to parks, shopping centres, schools, creches etc etc. Location is actually great, problem is if you are reliant on a car to get around.

Agree with this. My parents have lived on Stocking lane for 20+ years and that's where I grew up. We moved into White Pines just before Christmas and haven't had any issues. Yes if you leave for work after 8 you are going to end up stuck in traffic, but that's true of pretty much anywhere in Dublin. Saying it's miles from anywhere is hyperbole, takes me 15/20 minutes to Stillorgan Industrial Estate in the morning leaving at 7.30.

They certainly do need to do some work on traffic management in the area (reducing the roundabout at Orlagh to one lane was a bizarre decision and has been a disaster so far) and you'd imagine they will once enough people start making noise.

steamsey

steamsey wrote: »

It's not really miles from everything at all - very close to parks, shopping centres, schools, creches etc etc. Location is actually great, problem is if you are reliant on a car to get around.

I’m just off Scholarstown Road and we walk or cycle everywhere. The days I need the car I thank my stars we can do that, I’d hate to have no option but to drive everywhere.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Most of this can be solved by better public transport links (govt) and people accepting that driving to work in Dublin isn't really a sustainable option.

I used to stare slack-jawed at the cars going nowhere when coasting by on the bus into work in Dublin city centre from D15. The Phibsboro area especially would be chock-a-block. I know that some of those drivers were coming from far afield and had no choice but to drive. But I could not see the appeal of sitting in traffic like that if I had the choice not to. My husband worked near me in the city centre and tried driving in once when a parking space became freed up at his company. I expressed serious doubt that it would be as quick as the bus but he was adamant he wanted to give it a go. It lenghtened his commute by more than half an hour each way.

DirkVoodoo

People can't have it all unless they are going to pay a lot of money. We are renting in dun Laoghaire and my 5km cycle takes me 15 mins in traffic. I drove to work recently and it took me double that. The houses around our apartment are going for 800k.

Granted some people need to drive, but most cars I pass are driver occupied only, and if you live within 15km of work, you can't really complain. Remember, you're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic.

Hybrasil

Since moving in we've heard a lot about traffic but thankfully have not experienced it yet. I generally cycle via Stocking Lane but when I've driven the same route at the same time there is just the normal amount of traffic you'd expect between 7.00-7.30, no tailbacks. I'd be well gone by 8.00-9.00 but I'd imagine traffic is crazy everywhere in Dublin then, particularly around schools (such as Colmcille's). Sitting into your car to go anywhere at that time is madness. Either go earlier or find a different way of getting there.

Simple thing is that no amount of "traffic planning" would cater for the amount of cars already on the road or even more cars, developments would stop dead all over Dublin if even 1 car from each house was modeled. Cities and cars do not work (look at any city Dublin's size or bigger internationally, same issues) simple as, unless you cycle, walk or use public transport expect to be stuck in traffic (infrastructure for cycling & public transport definitely needs to be improved!). Develop huge roadways and flyovers like LA and more and more cars will fill them, its just induced demand. The dream of sitting into your car at 8.45 and driving leisurely to work in 10 minutes will never happen if you live in a city...unless you live incredibly close to work!!

DirkVoodoo

Do all houses not have an external tap fitted?

It looks like a big enough job if it's coming from the mains to the island. Really weird design choice, as is the decision not to install an external socket.

Hybrasil

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Do all houses not have an external tap fitted?

It looks like a big enough job if it's coming from the mains to the island. Really weird design choice, as is the decision not to install an external socket.

Yes, unfortunately - no tap to the rear of the house (But not sure if this is done in any new developments?) Going to get a water-butt installed for summer watering, that should hopefully suffice for watering plants etc., if not, it's probably a drought like last year and plants are in trouble anyway!

dkiernan9

Have they mentioned anything about a shop recently? Still no planning application lodged.

DirkVoodoo

Hybrasil wrote: »

Yes, unfortunately - no tap to the rear of the house (But not sure if this is done in any new developments?) Going to get a water-butt installed for summer watering, that should hopefully suffice for watering plants etc., if not, it's probably a drought like last year and plants are in trouble anyway!

My brother moved into Clay Farm: external tap and power supply.

It's pretty disappointing but I understand if more work having an island. My issue isn't plants but washing bikes.

mbirdy

Hey just wondering if anyone knows anything about the White Pines land that's under dispute. If you google Gene Brady Terenure an article from the Irish Examiner should come up.

Anyway this Gene Brady appears to be claiming that the land where the White Pines Glade homes are built is actually his (16 homes). It's going to the High Court.

Sorry for not posting the direct link but it won't let me as I'm a new member?

dubber

Does anyone know what the bus into town is like in the morning from white pines, is it a 1hr+ job?

youcancallmeal

dubber wrote: »

Does anyone know what the bus into town is like in the morning from white pines, is it a 1hr+ job?

Yes about an hour depending where in town exactly. You have the benefit of being close to the terminal though, they fill up very quickly especially during Spanish student season.

Steveire

mbirdy wrote: »

Hey just wondering if anyone knows anything about the White Pines land that's under dispute. If you google Gene Brady Terenure an article from the Irish Examiner should come up.

Anyway this Gene Brady appears to be claiming that the land where the White Pines Glade homes are built is actually his (16 homes). It's going to the High Court.

Sorry for not posting the direct link but it won't let me as I'm a new member?

I guess you mean this:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/developer-concerned-dublin-land-ownership-dispute-may-affect-future-house-sales-893121.html

I was viewing White Pines a few weeks ago, and some houses (on the right side of the photo with no dots in the gardens) were not available to buy.

https://imgur.com/a/ZcpHfIW


Maybe that's the 16.

dkiernan9

Anyone viewed these houses recently? Was there any info about building the creche and shops. Nothing started yet.

lfen

Registered my interest yesterday and got an email today advising below.

We currently have a mix of 3, 4 and 5 bedroom homes available with a starting price €435.000
Our showhouses are currently closed and there is no open viewing taking place this month.
I will register your interest in the development.

Thought it was strange, but possibly the houses under dispute.

DeeBee1208

We actually attended a viewing yesterday. The agent looking after the development is going on holidays, hence no more viewings this month.

To those already living in the development, anyone I can DM to get some info on your experiences so far? Fiancé and I are interested in purchasing, but want to get a feel for what it's like especially with the halting site nearby and if there's been any anti social behaviour, too much rubbish dumping or burglaries etc. Huge decision and all that as we're first time buyers, want to do our due diligence before making a decision

lfen

We took a drive through the estate at the weekend to rule it in or out. All seemed well until we pulled out and saw a group of visitors from the nearby halting site jumping over the rail into the houses. Kids in pjs, adults not much better. It’s a no from us anyway.