Ok you're an Atheist

smacl

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

Just goes to show how much you don't know:D
The fact that Christianity preceded Roman Catholicism should give you a hint....just don't tell the Catholics that:eek:

Ah yes, I've read the various heated discourses between various sects on Catholics on the Protestants vs Catholics thread on the Christianity forum. When not sniping at non-Christians you Christians seem to have plenty of time to take pot shots at one another. Nothing new there of course, the reason the Catholics consider themselves the only Christian church prior the schism was they went to great pains to wipe out the others. The Cathar and Bogomil congregations aren't exactly thriving in case you hadn't noticed, so while Christianity might well precede Catholicism, non-Catholic Christianity didn't fare quite so well in the intervening period. I'd imagine from where the pope is sitting, you're all a bunch of new-agers :pac:

robindch

Mod:

Stoner wrote: »

TBH there's a mixture good debate but there are users who use it as a launching pad to slag anyone who believes in a religion IMO. [...] But that's not really here though, some good stuff, but a good bit of smug content too where posters run the same lines about santy and the tooth fairy etc, low hanging fruit, circle jerk stuff. [...] IMO it's not a place to post if you are in anyway religious. You are just setting yourself up to be laughed at.

Stoner wrote: »

Debate is one thing but insulting is a other. [...] I'm not debating for a genuine position on religion, I'm talking about this forum. [...] This is not a Lions Den [...] but it is for the behavior of some, again some of the posters.

Stoner wrote: »

What's to be gained or achieved, what's the motivation to do it? Again I offer that potentially it's to appear superior in some way. However thinking about it now I'd fully understand that a resentment towards being preached to could build in anyone raised in Ireland.

Stoner - I haven't really been able to locate a coherent line of thought in any of your posts other than that you seem to believe from time to time that at least some people post here in A+A because they believe themselves to be better people than religious people. That's neither supported by any substantial evidence, nor is it a useful contribution to the discussion.

The discussion, on the other hand, would progress much more smoothly on your side if you could developed a coherent, evidence-based point of view, to which you then wrote clearly and succinctly.

Thanking youze.

uck51js9zml2yt

smacl wrote: »

Ah yes, I've read the various heated discourses between various sects on Catholics on the Protestants vs Catholics thread on the Christianity forum. When not sniping at non-Christians you Christians seem to have plenty of time to take pot shots at one another. Nothing new there of course, the reason the Catholics consider themselves the only Christian church prior the schism was they went to great pains to wipe out the others. The Cathar and Bogomil congregations aren't exactly thriving in case you hadn't noticed, so while Christianity might well precede Catholicism, non-Catholic Christianity didn't fare quite so well in the intervening period. I'd imagine from where the pope is sitting, you're all a bunch of new-agers :pac:

I was always interested in the way they wanted to wipe us out...not very Christian now...is it?

mikhail

beefburrito wrote: »

You don't accept any evidence put forward by anyone who are not putting up scientific evidence.

...

Agnostics seem to have more of an interest and willing to be more open minded.

Have you heard about our Lord and Saviour, Odin?

smacl

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

I was always interested in the way they wanted to wipe us out...not very Christian now...is it?

Us non-believing types didn't exactly have it easy either, between being labelled heretics, pagans, apostates, et cetera. Nobody likes to mention the Spanish Inquisition, but you know....

beefburrito

mikhail wrote: »

Have you heard about our Lord and Saviour, Odin?

Ní féidir liom Odin....

beefburrito

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Not on this thread though?... but not themselves. (edited - mod)

Exactly

Mod Edit: a 'thanks' on Nozzferrahhtoo's post would have done fine, this is just irritating. Don't quote long posts for a one word reply.

nozzferrahhtoo

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

When you get to the level of playing the man and not the ball ,and resort to personal insults you've lost my goodwill to answer your post!

And yet no insults are contained in the text you quoted, so really it looks more like you were desperately inventing a reason to ignore my post, rather than actually taking offence to something that existed in your own head.

In fact the "Just goes to show how much you don't know" comment you directed at another user JUST above is WAY more a "playing the player not the ball" than anything you have quoted from me.

But facts are not insults, and the fact is that the comment I was replying to from you appears to be based more on an internal navel gazing narrative than any reality around you. If you find observation of that fact an insult, then that is certainly not a failing that lies with me.

uck51js9zml2yt

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

And yet no insults are contained in the text you quoted, so really it looks more like you were desperately inventing a reason to ignore my post, rather than actually taking offence to something that existed in your own head.

In fact the "Just goes to show how much you don't know" comment you directed at another user JUST above is WAY more a "playing the player not the ball" than anything you have quoted from me.

Butfacts are not insults, and the fact is that the comment I was replying to from you appears to be based more on an internal navel gazing narrative than any reality around you. If you find observation of that fact an insult, then that is certainly not a failing that lies with me.

Lots of facts but not much evidence...only personal opinion which may or may not be based in reality.....and its quiet clear our realities are different. Mine includes a spiritual dimension yours appears not to.

nozzferrahhtoo

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

Lots of facts but not much evidence...only personal opinion

Well yes, that is kind of my point!

Your comment was this:

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

For people who've no interest in God you sure spend a lot of time talking about him.

Let us look at the difference between opinion and evidence here. There are 1000s of posts on this forum. How many of them are actually talking about god?

I am finding none really on the abortion thread. I just opened 20 posts randomly (each) on the "Ongoing religious scandals" thread and the massive " Interesting Stuff Thread". No one in the short " I am an atheist that has had nothing but a good experience with catholic schools" and also no hits in "Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)"

For a group of people who "spend a lot of time talking about him" it is amazing how few people are talking about "him" is it not? Is the disconnect between your statement (narrative) and reality not striking and wantonly apparent?

So...... exactly what is your issue with my suggestion that your comment is actually based on some kind of internal narrative you have going rather than any observation of reality? It seems nothing. So whats your beef?

And if no beef, then the other comment that you fabricated insult, where none existed, just to dodge out of replying to my post would also appear to be somewhat on the money?

looksee

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

Lots of facts but not much evidence...only personal opinion which may or may not be based in reality.....and its quiet clear our realities are different. Mine includes a spiritual dimension yours appears not to.

Maybe you should give some thought to the nature of this forum - and remember to check your irony meter occasionally, this post is pretty much off the scale.

beefburrito

looksee wrote: »

Maybe you should give some thought to the nature of this forum - and remember to check your irony meter occasionally, this post is pretty much off the scale.

What scale,I understand exactly what they mean.
You're not really making a valid contribution to my op.
If you don't have anything of validation, please post somewhere else.
Thanks

robindch

beefburrito wrote: »

If you don't have anything of validation, please post somewhere else.

beefburrito has been carded for incivility and inability to stick to the forum charter despite repeated warnings.

smacl

mikhail wrote: »

Have you heard about our Lord and Saviour, Odin?

Off topic, but I read Neil Gaiman's book on Norse Mythology a couple a months back, very entertaining and you do have to love old one eye. Comparing Norse mythology to Christianity is akin to comparing Coronation Street with Game of Thrones

uck51js9zml2yt

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Well yes, that is kind of my point!

Your comment was this:

You left out the rest of my statement which still stands..our realities differ. Mine has a spiritual dimension...as you don't know me you've no way of verifying if it's true or not.

Let us look at the difference between opinion and evidence here. There are 1000s of posts on this forum. How many of them are actually talking about god?

Without a statistical analysis of every post, I can't give you an answer. But based on my observations in A&A and athiests posting the Christianity forum God or his non existence seems to be a preoccupation. I don't have time to be going through every post. Let me know your results.

I am finding none really on the abortion thread. I just opened 20 posts randomly (each) on the "Ongoing religious scandals" thread and the massive " Interesting Stuff Thread". No one in the short " I am an atheist that has had nothing but a good experience with catholic schools" and also no hits in "Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)"

I've never defended the religious scandals and never will. I've also no problems with RC schools. My experience has been good as a non RC. My eldest is in one, my youngest following next year and I'm on the board of management. My kids just don't do RE.

For a group of people who "spend a lot of time talking about him" it is amazing how few people are talking about "him" is it not? Is the disconnect between your statement (narrative) and reality not striking and wantonly apparent?

Not sure what you're on about here

So...... exactly what is your issue with my suggestion that your comment is actually based on some kind of internal narrative you have going rather than any observation of reality? It seems nothing. So whats your beef?

As I said, our realities differ.....and I prefer lamb or chicken to beef:)

And if no beef, then the other comment that you fabricated insult, where none existed, just to dodge out of replying to my post would also appear to be somewhat on the money?[/quote]
I think I've answered you above.

nozzferrahhtoo

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

You left out the rest of my statement which still stands..our realities differ.

I trust the data stored on the servers of boards.ie remains the same in your reality as it does in mine however. And it seems that the data on that server does not contain all that many atheists in this area of the forum that are talking about "god" all that much.

So no, I do not think appeals to different realities is gonna change your statement from unsubstantiated nonsense to anything else really.

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

Not sure what you're on about here

Not sure how it could be clearer what I am on about. YOU said "For people who've no interest in God you sure spend a lot of time talking about him." and I am showing you how there does not appear to be ANY data backing up that statement.

So the problem as I see it is, I wrote a reply to your post..... you pulled out ONE line of that post and ignored the rest. You then proceed to claim there was some "insult" in that post when there was in fact no such thing.

So now I am showing you that not only did the quote in question contain no insult, the quote in question is entirely accurate.

You were, I suspect, in fact inventing an insult where none existed in order to cop out of replying to the post in question. But now since no insult can be found, and your excuse to not reply to my post is therefore unfounded, you might go back and actually reply to the post?

MrPudding

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

When you get to the level of playing the man and not the ball ,and resort to personal insults you've lost my goodwill to answer your post!

That's really convenient for you. It was getting to the stage where you were going to have to actually come up with something coherent and sensible, dodged a bullet there.

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

I was always interested in the way they wanted to wipe us out...not very Christian now...is it?

Well, in my experience, no one beats christians for acting in an unchristian-like manner.

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

Lots of facts but not much evidence...only personal opinion which may or may not be based in reality.....

Just a little tweaking and you have a pretty perfect summation of religion. You were so close.

MrP

beefburrito

I've been informed by a mod that I'm upsetting people on this thread, it's quite clear that debating here is a no go area for anyone who doesn't tow the line of inconsistencies.

Anyhow the best place for me is to say I'm out of here.
Too many soft people and not enough tough people.
Anything but Atheism forum is that way......its plain to see which one is more tellerant and less snowflakey....

Tally ho youz

smacl

beefburrito wrote: »

I've been informed by a mod that I'm upsetting people on this thread, it's quite clear that debating here is a no go area for anyone who doesn't tow the line of inconsistencies.

Anyhow the best place for me is to say I'm out of here.
Too many soft people and not enough tough people.
Anything but Atheism forum is that way......its plain to see which one is more tellerant and less snowflakey....

Tally ho youz

Sounds like the story of the woman who slept with every man in the area and then publicly announced they were all lousy in bed. Maybe a bit of introspection is called for, there might just be a common denominator you're missing somewhere :rolleyes:

uck51js9zml2yt

MrPudding wrote: »

That's really convenient for you. It was getting to the stage where you were going to have to actually come up with something coherent and sensible, dodged a bullet there.

Well, in my experience, no one beats christians for acting in an unchristian-like manner.

Just a little tweaking and you have a pretty perfect summation of religion. You were so close.

MrP

I love you too

Samaris

beefburrito wrote: »

I've been informed by a mod that I'm upsetting people on this thread, it's quite clear that debating here is a no go area for anyone who doesn't tow the line of inconsistencies.

Anyhow the best place for me is to say I'm out of here.
Too many soft people and not enough tough people.
Anything but Atheism forum is that way......its plain to see which one is more tellerant and less snowflakey....

Tally ho youz

It's adorable when they can't find anything else to say and run off crying about snowflakes.

It's so...sneauxflaykey.

I'd have more sympathy (well, not much more, but a tiny bit) if his opening post hadn't been rude, accusatory and generally obnoxious for absolutely no reason.

begbysback

Ahh the ould Christians V Atheist battle

May I offer a token gesture in an attempt to bring back some harmony?

The Bishop Basher

smacl wrote: »

Maybe a bit of introspection is called for, there might just be a common denominator you're missing somewhere :rolleyes:

That could be said both ways..

I suspect quite a few potential posters avoid this forum for similar reasons..

I'm neither Christian nor religious but i do find the posters on that forum a lot more tolerant of opposing views. Unfortunately most threads tend to get derailed by the numerous atheists who strangely also love to hang out there.

But there's a definite level of hostility aimed at anyone who doesn't tow the party line in this forum and it drives people who might have genuine questions and more "moderate" views away..

Is what it is though.. I stay away myself for the same reasons.. Hadn't been in for a while, happened across this thread on the front page and clicked in for a read..

Same posters still rattling on about woo and sky faries ad nauseum.

Each to their own I suppose.

nozzferrahhtoo

beefburrito wrote: »

it's quite clear that debating here is a no go

YOU are the only one not going to debate though. Take the first post I made on this thread for example. You replied to the entire post, but responded with nothing but a silly comment about Micheal Nugent.

How can anyone "debate" with you if all you do is dodge, ignore, spew irrelevancies, and play the victim card?

You know "debate" is a two way conversation right?

looksee

beefburrito wrote: »

You don't believe in God,woo,magic or a spiritual realm.

True, if a bit stating the obvious.

You don't accept any evidence put forward by anyone who are not putting up scientific evidence.

We could test that statement if any evidence at all had been put forward.

Then when someone puts forward their own theory, they're ran ragged trying to explain what they mean.

This was dealt with, its called defending your argument.

Agnostics seem to have more of an interest and willing to be more open minded.

Are they? More of an interest and more open minded about what? Where are you getting your information from?

What's the point in having an Atheism and Agnosticism forum ?

What's the point in any forum - oh yes, to discuss and debate and share interests

All I read now is something to do with half baked politics, abortion, Iona institutions....and other boring debates.

Sorry you are bored, maybe find something a bit easier?

Is this forum getting to snow flakey ?

There are undoubtedly snowflakes in the forum, but it isn't the A&As.

So, having dealt with the opening post, and considering the OP has left the discussion, is there anything worth pursuing in it or shall we just let it die?

uck51js9zml2yt

I'm just waiting on an atheist to actually prove God doesn't exist.

Just saying he doesn't and you don't believe in God, sky fairies or woos ( whatever they are) doesn't prove anything....I don't believe in sky fairies either. Not sure about woos ( need to find out what they are).

The facts are that I've an experience of a spiritual dimension which the denizens of A&A don't believe in/ haven't had. You can't disprove it. I've no need to prove it.

Come to think of it, the same can be said of some in the Christianity forum who believe that once certain rites are performed they are good to go...but that's another debate:D

But it's the same old circle..I don't believe in God etc therefore He doesn't exist routine.
I would assume we'll see less athiests in Christianity from now on since you are adamant you don't have a preoccupation with Him or talk a lot about Him.
Why put all that effort into arguing about something you don't believe in?

beefburrito

smacl wrote: »

Sounds like the story of the woman who slept with every man in the area and then publicly announced they were all lousy in bed. Maybe a bit of introspection is called for, there might just be a common denominator you're missing somewhere :rolleyes:

Sounds very interesting,but you're not in a position to be telling anyone about common denominators or introspection.

I'm more into debating without any of us getting upset or telling tales to moderators....

Anything myself or the Christian says here is just basically shat on..... twisted and smugly brushed under the carpet.

I can see where he or she is coming from and we both have valid points, like I said to Robindch in a pm I'm convinced that A+A is frequented by bots.....

beefburrito

Rowan White Newspaper wrote: »

I'm just waiting on an atheist to actually prove God doesn't exist.

Just saying he doesn't and you don't believe in God, sky fairies or woos ( whatever they are) doesn't prove anything....I don't believe in sky fairies either. Not sure about woos ( need to find out what they are).

The facts are that I've an experience of a spiritual dimension which the denizens of A&A don't believe in/ haven't had. You can't disprove it. I've no need to prove it.

Come to think of it, the same can be said of some in the Christianity forum who believe that once certain rites are performed they are good to go...but that's another debate:D

But it's the same old circle..I don't believe in God etc therefore He doesn't exist routine.
I would assume we'll see less athiests in Christianity from now on since you are adamant you don't have a preoccupation with Him or talk a lot about Him.
Why put all that effort into arguing about something you don't believe in?

They don't know the meaning of Atheism.

Politics should be in the political forum.

Abortion should be in After hours.

beefburrito

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

YOU are the only one not going to debate though. Take the first post I made on this thread for example. You replied to the entire post, but responded with nothing but a silly comment about Micheal Nugent.

How can anyone "debate" with you if all you do is dodge, ignore, spew irrelevancies, and play the victim card?

You know "debate" is a two way conversation right?

You're the one who posted some silly attempt of comedy by Michael Nugent which has been flogged to death by Hitches and Dawkins.

How can I debate in a forum where people go running to moderator's saying I'm upsetting them.
We're all adults here.

Anyhow I said I was walking away,but yet you persist on getting a response from me.

beefburrito

looksee wrote: »

True, if a bit stating the obvious.

We could test that statement if any evidence at all had been put forward.


This was dealt with, its called defending your argument.


Are they? More of an interest and more open minded about what? Where are you getting your information from?


What's the point in any forum - oh yes, to discuss and debate and share interests



Sorry you are bored, maybe find something a bit easier?



There are undoubtedly snowflakes in the forum, but it isn't the A&As.

So, having dealt with the opening post, and considering the OP has left the discussion, is there anything worth pursuing in it or shall we just let it die?

Nice one the op leaves the discussion,but yet a moderator decides to keep up the discussion....

It's like talking to something which doesn't exist lol

Irony at its best, kiddo

looksee

Mod: Beefburrito - we are not going to dumb down A&A to accommodate your inability to understand the nature of the forum. Please take a 24 hour holiday from the forum.


Closing this thread as it really does not seem to have anything further to offer.

robindch

robindch wrote: »

Unfortunately, some posters stop by A+A, post a few unhelpful messages and head away again [...] if the best you can do is contribute at the low tone you're currently using, then as above, it's likely that neither you nor this thread will survive very long into the future.

beefburrito wrote: »

its plain to see which one is more tellerant and less snowflakey....

Says the poster heading out the door because he/she can't stand the heat.

:rolleyes: