Are we over the annual poppy thread?

not yet · 10-11-2017 4:40pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Another clear and blatant lie from you! There is evidence in this thread and many other threads where Republicans/pro IRA supporters not only refuse to condemn the murder of innocent civilians but do in fact claim that the killing of innocent civilians was justified collateral damage.

Straight up question..

A:Do you think there will be a United Ireland in the next 25 years.

B:Do you think Ireland should be United.

not yet · 10-11-2017 4:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

sounds like it is straight from a shinner manifesto.

Good Catch, I copied and pasted it from the little green book

not yet · 10-11-2017 4:55pm

not yet wrote: »

Straight up question..

A:Do you think there will be a United Ireland in the next 25 years.

B:Do you think Ireland should be United.

Timberrrr, Timberrrr......you there ???

end of the road · 10-11-2017 4:57pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Another clear and blatant lie from you! There is evidence in this thread and many other threads where Republicans/pro IRA supporters not only refuse to condemn the murder of innocent civilians but do in fact claim that the killing of innocent civilians was justified collateral damage.

it's not a lie. i don't tell lies.
ira supporters condemn the killing of civilians. the only potential people who some ira supporters believe to be collateral damage were touts (informants)
i don't agree with that viewpoint and believe there was another way to deal with touts. they didn't have to be, or need to be killed.

Cortina_MK_IV · 10-11-2017 5:24pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

it's not nonsense. britain did stand by and let germany get on with it, until it was about to effect them.

It is nonsense because the claim was Britain just watched Germany invade France and the like without doing anything when in truth they declared war in 1939 and started bombing Germany in 1940, even before they invaded France.

So it's just untrue, I don't know who taught some of the people on this thread about WW2 history but they must be terrible historians or really bitter Irish Republicans.

Ehhhhhh, are you contradicting yourself?

not yet · 10-11-2017 5:39pm

By all accounts their are only 22 countries The Empire have not invaded..

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-11-2017 5:52pm

not yet wrote: »

Straight up question..

A:Do you think there will be a United Ireland in the next 25 years.

B:Do you think Ireland should be United.

Do I think ireland should be United?

Yes I have always said it should be.

Do i think it will happen in the next 25 years? (Have you changed your position from 10-15 years?)

No I don't think it will happen in that time (I hope I'm wrong) simply because I believe it.will take at least another 2 generations for the wounds to heal between both sides of the divide and for the people of both north and south to come together in unity.

A Little Pony · 10-11-2017 5:53pm

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

it's not nonsense. britain did stand by and let germany get on with it, until it was about to effect them.

It is nonsense because the claim was Britain just watched Germany invade France and the like without doing anything when in truth they declared war in 1939 and started bombing Germany in 1940, even before they invaded France.

So it's just untrue, I don't know who taught some of the people on this thread about WW2 history but they must be terrible historians or really bitter Irish Republicans.

Ehhhhhh, are you contradicting yourself?

The quoting system on this forum is horrific at times. I didn't say that, I was disputing the claim.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-11-2017 5:54pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not a lie. i don't tell lies.
ira supporters condemn the killing of civilians. the only potential people who some ira supporters believe to be collateral damage were touts (informants)
i don't agree with that viewpoint and believe there was another way to deal with touts. they didn't have to be, or need to be killed.

Obviously it is a lie because there is multiple instances of IRA supporters openly justifying the murder of innocent civilians as collateral damage!

tomwaterford · 10-11-2017 5:56pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Obviously it is a lie because there is multiple instances of IRA supporters openly justifying the murder of innocent civilians as collateral damage!

Hmm

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-11-2017 6:03pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

Hmm

And your point is?

I'm not (and never have) condoned the murder of innocent civilians, that post was pointing out that (unfortunately) every army thatbhad ever gone to war has killed innocent civilians. That it has happened does not make it right though.

not yet · 10-11-2017 6:15pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And your point is?

I'm not (and never have) condoned the murder of innocent civilians, that post was pointing out that (unfortunately) every army thatbhad ever gone to war has killed innocent civilians. That it has happened does not make it right though.

But the fact that GB invaded dozens of countries means they murdered more then their fair share...

Thoughts..?

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-11-2017 6:21pm

not yet wrote: »

But the fact that GB invaded dozens of countries means they murdered more then their fair share...

Thoughts..?

I don't condone the murder of 1 or 1 million innocent people, you on the other hand refuse to condemn your heroes for thier blatant murder of innocent civilians.

end of the road · 10-11-2017 6:22pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Obviously it is a lie because there is multiple instances of IRA supporters openly justifying the murder of innocent civilians as collateral damage!

it's not a lie. none of the ira supporters on here have ever condoned the killing of innocent civilians.

A Little Pony · 10-11-2017 6:25pm

end of the road wrote: »

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Obviously it is a lie because there is multiple instances of IRA supporters openly justifying the murder of innocent civilians as collateral damage!

it's not a lie. none of the ira supporters on here have ever condoned the killing of innocent civilians.

If ever you needed an example of an oxymoron statement.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-11-2017 6:28pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not a lie. none of the ira supporters on here have ever condoned the killing of innocent civilians.

Proof you are lying

not yet wrote: »

No I wouldn't, It's justified in some cases.

Edit:

Whilst I do believe the killing of civilians is wrong, it happens in a war.

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2017 6:28pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not a lie. none of the ira supporters on here have ever condoned the killing of innocent civilians.

are you including jean mcconville in that list of innocent civilians?

tomwaterford · 10-11-2017 6:32pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you including jean mcconville in that list of innocent civilians?

Depends...do you believe the lad that says adams ordered her killing?

end of the road · 10-11-2017 6:55pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Proof you are lying

he wasn't condoning it, just saying it can happen in wars. i believe it can be avoided if care is taken.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you including jean mcconville in that list of innocent civilians?

assuming she was a tout then she wouldn't have been wholey innocent. in saying that whoever killed her didn't need to do so and could have found another less destructive way to deal with her to insure she no longer touted. taking a mother away from her children was unnecessary.

A Little Pony · 10-11-2017 9:10pm

Break her legs? The IRA was a law upon itself.

end of the road · 10-11-2017 9:20pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

The IRA was a law upon itself.

the RUC and BA along with their loyalist friends were more so.

maryishere · 10-11-2017 9:29pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

There is evidence in this thread and many other threads where Republicans/pro IRA supporters not only refuse to condemn the murder of innocent civilians but do in fact claim that the killing of innocent civilians was justified collateral damage.

Correct. The IRA claimed 1,778 lives, 642 of whom were civilians, according to the book Lost Lives. Many of the others were people like the census collector shot in Derry, or the cook Patsy Gillespie, who died along with five soldiers after being forced by the IRA to drive a car bomb into a check-point - the cook and census collecor were considered by the IRA to be legitimate targets. As were elected politicians : these were legitimate targets too. Not to mention off duty part time or retired security force members shot in the back while leaving grandchildren to school, or killed by cowardly booby trap bombs under family cars. The 642 who were pure civilians - like the people murdered in the Le Mon restaurant bombing - did not deserve to die, but neither did the over 1000 other people either. It set back Irish unity 100 years.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2017 9:30pm

The poppy is doomed to this because of what it is and represents.

Ireland should lead the way with a new neutral symbol that remembers all the dead of wars and conflicts.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/10/news/family-of-murdered-raf-war-hero-say-poppy-has-been-sectarianised--1183903/

maryishere · 10-11-2017 9:41pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The poppy is doomed to this because of what it is and represents.

Ireland should lead the way with a new neutral symbol that remembers all the dead of wars and conflicts.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/10/news/family-of-murdered-raf-war-hero-say-poppy-has-been-sectarianised--1183903/

I wuld agree with the woman in the article (whose uncle was murdered ): Ms Evans said the use of the poppy to commemorate killers like McKeag "debases it".

However a few scumbags painted that poppy on to the mural: it was not official.

Its like the tricolour flag was hijacked by extremist Republicans and put on the coffins of sectarian killers during the troubles: that debased the Irish flag. The Irish flag was supposed to symbolise peace between orange and green.

citytillidie · 10-11-2017 9:42pm

maryishere wrote: »

Correct. The IRA claimed 1,778 lives, 642 of whom were civilians, according to the book Lost Lives. Many of the others were people like the census collector shot in Derry, or the cook Patsy Gillespie, who died along with five soldiers after being forced by the IRA to drive a car bomb into a check-point - the cook and census collecor were considered by the IRA to be legitimate targets. As were elected politicians : these were legitimate targets too. Not to mention off duty part time or retired security force members shot in the back while leaving grandchildren to school, or killed by cowardly booby trap bombs under family cars. The 642 who were pure civilians - like the people murdered in the Le Mon restaurant bombing - did not deserve to die, but neither did the over 1000 other people either. It set back Irish unity 100 years.

What about the woman the BA have shot in the back ? Loyalist and BA killed more civilians that republicans

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2017 9:44pm

end of the road wrote: »

he wasn't condoning it, just saying it can happen in wars. i believe it can be avoided if care is taken.

assuming she was a tout then she wouldn't have been wholey innocent. in saying that whoever killed her didn't need to do so and could have found another less destructive way to deal with her to insure she no longer touted. taking a mother away from her children was unnecessary.

convicted in an ira kangaroo court no doubt. guilty til proven innocent of course. and these are the people you think are fit to run this country?

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2017 9:46pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The poppy is doomed to this because of what it is and represents.

Ireland should lead the way with a new neutral symbol that remembers all the dead of wars and conflicts.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/10/news/family-of-murdered-raf-war-hero-say-poppy-has-been-sectarianised--1183903/

you can take my poppy from my cold dead hand. something i'm sure that sinn fein would have no problem arranging.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2017 9:56pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you can take my poppy from my cold dead hand. something i'm sure that sinn fein would have no problem arranging.

Nowt like a bit of bile.

Nobody will take your poppy away. Relax.

maryishere · 10-11-2017 9:59pm

citytillidie wrote: »

What about the woman the BA have shot in the back ?

All illegial killings are to be condemned.
Only 10% of the victims of the troubles were killed by the security services. 60% of the victims of the troubles were killed by Republicans.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2017 10:01pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

convicted in an ira kangaroo court no doubt. guilty til proven innocent of course. and these are the people you think are fit to run this country?

I don't think anyone got 'courts' quite right in the conflict/war.
Diplock courts and the one that conspired to cover up Bloody Sunday (Widgery). Gimme a break.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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