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General Rugby Discussion II

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    #3092
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    bilston wrote: »
    Some chat in the Mail on Sunday that the Premiership clubs are considering breaking from the RFU.

    There may be trouble ahead...but then the minute CVC got involved it was inevitable.

    Nah there’s no chance of that happening. Just posturing.

    The English clubs aren’t going to turn their backs on European rugby and the English players aren’t going to turn their backs on international rugby, which is where they make the majority of their money respectively.


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    #3093
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It's surprising that the rfu allowed this to happen.
    They should have maintained a stake in each team. It seems like they have no control whatsoever.


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    #3094
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    It's surprising that the rfu allowed this to happen.
    They should have maintained a stake in each team. It seems like they have no control whatsoever.

    They never had a stake in each team which to maintain


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    #3095
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    It's surprising that the rfu allowed this to happen.
    They should have maintained a stake in each team. It seems like they have no control whatsoever.
    They never had a stake in each side in the first place. Its 12 teams how many million would that have cost the RFU?


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    #3096
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    The RFU and the clubs are completely seperate and always have been.

    The only real relationship they have is that the RFU pays the clubs to release players during the international windows and also provides grants on the condition that they play X amount of English eligible players in their squads.


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    #3097
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,796 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Nah there’s no chance of that happening. Just posturing.

    The English clubs aren’t going to turn their backs on European rugby and the English players aren’t going to turn their backs on international rugby, which is where they make the majority of their money respectively.
    If the Premiership clubs break away the RFU would still have to select their players. Who else are they going to pick?

    I bet they'd be let in to European rugby tournaments as well. Again, who would take their place?


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    #3098
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    awec wrote: »
    If the Premiership clubs break away the RFU would still have to select their players. Who else are they going to pick?

    I bet they'd be let in to European rugby tournaments as well. Again, who would take their place?

    Well the clubs can't break away in the sense that any tournament they set up needs RFU approval. If they do not get it then anyone playing in the tournament will be ineligible for international rugby. It is the single biggest chip the RFU have to play and I can't see them letting it go. A breakaway is a non-starter without tacit RFU support (thus not really making it a breakaway in the classic sense).


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    #3099
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    awec wrote: »
    If the Premiership clubs break away the RFU would still have to select their players. Who else are they going to pick?

    I bet they'd be let in to European rugby tournaments as well. Again, who would take their place?

    They won't be allowed to play international rugby unless they're playing regularly in World Rugby approved tournaments. The only way any team can play in a World Rugby approved tournament in the country of England is if they are given express permission by the RFU. Similarly, the only way a club can play in European rugby is if they are playing in a world rugby endorsed tournament.

    The RFU's funding makes up a huge chunk of Premiership clubs' income. Another huge chunk of it comes from EPCR TV money. There are other clubs that money can go to and players and coaches can sign for those clubs, as messy as it would be (so messy that it'll never happen).


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    #3100
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    troyzer wrote: »
    The RFU and the clubs are completely seperate and always have been.

    They are not completely separate. The LTA joins them very closely.


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    #3101
    thebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Paul Kimmage having another go at rugby in the Indo - I'm all for making rugby safer , but has he ever anything positive to say about the game - rugby does help people stay fit, avoid things like smoking and to have a healthy diet - most things in life have some danger , but it seams relentless negative from him - was Kimmage himself not a drug cheat ?


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    #3102
    connemara man
    Registered Users Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭connemara man


    What's he on about now?


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    #3103
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    thebaz wrote: »
    Paul Kimmage having another go at rugby in the Indo - I'm all for making rugby safer , but has he ever anything positive to say about the game - rugby does help people stay fit, avoid things like smoking and to have a healthy diet - most things in life have some danger , but it seams relentless negative from him - was Kimmage himself not a drug cheat ?

    Kimmage never really has anything positive to say about anything he writes about.


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    #3104
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    thebaz wrote: »
    Paul Kimmage having another go at rugby in the Indo - I'm all for making rugby safer , but has he ever anything positive to say about the game - rugby does help people stay fit, avoid things like smoking and to have a healthy diet - most things in life have some danger , but it seams relentless negative from him - was Kimmage himself not a drug cheat?
    That's the way he writes. Always critical/analysing things. Plenty critical of other(all) sports as well.
    He makes a few fair points. Dont think his personal experience should make him not be able to criticise sports for drugs and taking them.


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    #3105
    thebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    connemara man wrote: »
    What's he on about now?

    same stuff he wrote last year , with a dig at O'Gara , some of his points are valid , but ther is no sense of balance to what he writes (and he used to be an excellent writer) - he seams to just hate rugby for some reason.


    https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/paul-kimmage-parents-are-wondering-if-rugby-is-the-right-sport-for-their-kids-what-do-explayers-really-think-37683720.html


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    #3106
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    thebaz wrote: »
    same stuff he wrote last year, with a dig at O'Gara, some of his points are valid, but ther is no sense of balance to what he writes (and he used to be an excellent writer) - he seams to just hate rugby for some reason.


    https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/paul-kimmage-parents-are-wondering-if-rugby-is-the-right-sport-for-their-kids-what-do-explayers-really-think-37683720.html
    He doesnt "hate" rugby though.
    He still is an excellent writer.


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    #3107
    thebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He doesnt "hate" rugby though.
    He still is an excellent writer.

    once again we disagree - he certainly was an excellent writer , but no balance to what he wrires today, never read anything positive on rugby by him - and for me I find it all a bit hard to take, when he was a drug cheat himself.


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    #3108
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    thebaz wrote: »
    once again we disagree - he certainly was an excellent writer , but no balance to what he wrires today, never read anything positive on rugby by him - and for me I find it all a bit hard to take, when he was a drug cheat himself.
    :rolleyes: no need to say we disagree every time you post.
    He still is an excellent writer. He is quite critical of most things. Thats his Modus operandi. Dont see why he shouldnt be allowed to criticise people in relation to drugs/banned substances simply because he did during his cycling career


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    #3109
    thebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    :rolleyes: no need to say we disagree every time you post.
    He still is an excellent writer. He is quite critical of most things. Thats his Modus operandi. Dont see why he shouldnt be allowed to criticise people in relation to drugs/banned substances simply because he did during his cycling career

    well we disagree, I think he is no longer a good writer


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    #3110
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    thebaz wrote: »
    well we disagree, I think he is no longer a good writer
    We all get that so either put me on your ignore list or stop telling everyone....
    I think his writing is still good. He quite often looks critically at things so will be negative a lot but i dont see how is writing is poor.


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    #3111
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,561 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    We all get that so either put me on your ignore list or stop telling everyone....
    I think his writing is still good. He quite often looks critically at things so will be negative a lot but i dont see how is writing is poor.

    It's excellent article which poses genuine questions which are a big concern for the game going forward.

    https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/paul-kimmage-parents-are-wondering-if-rugby-is-the-right-sport-for-their-kids-what-do-explayers-really-think-37683720.html


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    #3112
    thebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    We all get that so either put me on your ignore list or stop telling everyone....

    and you stop petty sniping at every comment i post


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    #3113
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    The fabled McKenna-Kimmage axis was certainly due a rant.


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    #3114
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Kimmage is an excellent journalist, that article isn't one of his best pieces though.


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    #3115
    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Kimmage is an excellent journalist, that article isn't one of his best pieces though.
    Yeah, it seems he has licence to write a rant or two between his real articles. Last week's interview with Eddie Jordan was great entertaining stuff. No reference to F1's safety record or dubious morals in that piece I notice though.


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    #3116
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    it reminds me of

    have you got your homework done
    yep, all done
    show me so
    i'll just be a min......quickly writes any old ****e down


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    #3117
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The Daily Mail has an article up saying CVC wldont want to stop with their takeover of Premiership Rugby. They want test rugby as well. I can only imagine what they'll do to that to make max profits.


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    #3118
    [Deleted User]
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    Clegg wrote: »
    The Daily Mail has an article up saying CVC wldont want to stop with their takeover of Premiership Rugby. They want test rugby as well. I can only imagine what they'll do to that to make max profits.

    Will they be able to do that without WRU approval and are WRU likely to grant that approval?


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    #3119
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Will they be able to do that without WRU approval and are WRU likely to grant that approval?

    What have the WRU got to do with it?


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    #3120
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I presume he means World Rugby and its never going to happen.


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    #3121
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    I presume he means World Rugby and its never going to happen.

    Each of the six nations have the rights to their own tests outside of the Six Nations as far as I know and are free to sell the television rights to these games to the highest bidder.

    I don't see how World Rugby could stop England for example selling all of the commercial rights to a third party who then also have a hand in organising games, directing marketing etc.

    But World Rugby won't allow the teams to be privatised as such.


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