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General Rugby Discussion II

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    #3122
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    troyzer wrote: »
    Each of the six nations have the rights to their own tests outside of the Six Nations as far as I know and are free to sell the television rights to these games to the highest bidder.

    I don't see how World Rugby could stop England for example selling all of the commercial rights to a third party who then also have a hand in organising games, directing marketing etc.

    But World Rugby won't allow the teams to be privatised as such.

    This isn't about commercial rights and the Premiership Rugby deal is not about commercial rights.

    We would be talking about CVC owning part of the 6N for example and that is simply not going to happen. The Unions don't need them.


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    #3123
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    This isn't about commercial rights and the Premiership Rugby deal is not about commercial rights.

    We would be talking about CVC owning part of the 6N for example and that is simply not going to happen. The Unions don't need them.

    Well the logical first step would be for CVC to "buy" England's November internationals. Call it commercial rights or whatever else you want.

    CVC don't own the Premiership clubs, they part own the competition. Why couldn't they part own the Quilter Internationals or whatever they call it?


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    #3124
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    troyzer wrote: »
    Well the logical first step would be for CVC to "buy" England's November internationals. Call it commercial rights or whatever else you want.

    CVC don't own the Premiership clubs, they part own the competition. Why couldn't they part own the Quilter Internationals or whatever they call it?

    It's not about what I want to call it, they are not the same thing at all. CVC now have a say in how the Premiership is actually run. The equivalent for the Nov Internationals would be them deciding who England play and where not just deciding what TV station it gets shown on.


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    #3125
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    It's not about what I want to call it, they are not the same thing at all. CVC now have a say in how the Premiership is actually run. The equivalent for the Nov Internationals would be them deciding who England play and where not just deciding what TV station it gets shown on.

    I know they're not the same thing, I'm just struggling to come up with a better term. Open to suggestions.

    And yes, I'm saying that in this case CVC would be able to pick the England opponents, organise fixtures etc.


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    #3126
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    troyzer wrote: »
    I know they're not the same thing, I'm just struggling to come up with a better term. Open to suggestions.

    And yes, I'm saying that in this case CVC would be able to pick the England opponents, organise fixtures etc.

    Controlling stake is what you're looking for.


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    #3127
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Controlling stake is what you're looking for.

    Yeah I suppose.

    They give the RFU a lump sum or guaranteed revenue and in exchange they get the England team for X number of fixtures in November every year.


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    #3128
    Burkie1203
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    https://twitter.com/dk3lly/status/1083294408315949056?s=19


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    #3129
    Quin_Dub
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/dk3lly/status/1083294408315949056?s=19

    Why is this seemingly limited to France?

    Just awful horrible bad luck or something else?


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    #3130
    Squidgy Black
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Why is this seemingly limited to France?

    Just awful horrible bad luck or something else?

    World Rugby definitely need to have a look at this, maybe it's just a series of complete freak accidents, or maybe it's something technique related that they're not correcting at underage level and in the Espoirs.


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    #3131
    stephen_n
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    World Rugby definitely need to have a look at this, maybe it's just a series of complete freak accidents, or maybe it's something technique related that they're not correcting at underage level and in the Espoirs.

    This guy wasn’t a pro, it seems to have been an inter college match. He wasn’t registered as a player with the FFR, so I’m guessing he didn’t play regularly at all.


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    #3132
    errlloyd
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/dk3lly/status/1083294408315949056?s=19

    It's looks like he was playing one of those sort of casual take up rugby a play a tournament, tournaments.

    Smurfit Business School take part in something called the MBA Cup each year in the states. Any Smurfit post grad can play for the team, and it is a mix of complete beginners and very talented players. I always felt the risk of this sort of thing was pretty high in that.


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    #3133
    troyzer
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/dk3lly/status/1083294408315949056?s=19

    It's looks like he was playing one of those sort of casual take up rugby a play a tournament, tournaments.

    Smurfit Business School take part in something called the MBA Cup each year in the states. Any Smurfit post grad can play for the team, and it is a mix of complete beginners and very talented players. I always felt the risk of this sort of thing was pretty high in that.

    I wonder if it's time to take weight divisions seriously in amateur and underage Rugby.

    The Kiwis have been doing it at under age for years and it seems that if we cooked that, our forwards would be less specialised from an early age and have more skills as a result.

    Equally, it seems like it would be difficult to have these deaths if you had strict weight divisions in the amateur game. They could be broad enough I suppose with some carve out for top amateur rugby like NPC or AIL.

    Am I talking ****?


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    #3134
    The Lost Sheep
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    troyzer wrote: »
    I wonder if it's time to take weight divisions seriously in amateur and underage Rugby.

    The Kiwis have been doing it at under age for years and it seems that if we cooked that, our forwards would be less specialised from an early age and have more skills as a result.

    Equally, it seems like it would be difficult to have these deaths if you had strict weight divisions in the amateur game. They could be broad enough I suppose with some carve out for top amateur rugby like NPC or AIL.

    Am I talking ****?
    At what level do you stop it? For underage it isnt feasible in most places unless you have 15 year olds playing 18/19 years though that already happens in schools rugby in ulster with guys out of medallian potentially making schools cup team as under 16s...
    The kiwis have been doing it for years but remember that they have weight categories such as u12 is capped at 74kg and under 13 is capped at 83kg


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    #3135
    irishbucsfan
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    One of the great common myths among Irish rugby fans is that kiwis divide by weight categories at underage level. No one really knows what that means when they say it, or to what extent its true.


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    #3136
    Yeah_Right
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    troyzer wrote: »
    I wonder if it's time to take weight divisions seriously in amateur and underage Rugby.

    The Kiwis have been doing it at under age for years and it seems that if we cooked that, our forwards would be less specialised from an early age and have more skills as a result.

    Equally, it seems like it would be difficult to have these deaths if you had strict weight divisions in the amateur game. They could be broad enough I suppose with some carve out for top amateur rugby like NPC or AIL.

    Am I talking ****?

    Weight grades combined with age is good as long as there are the playing numbers to do it. Smaller rural communities wouldn't be able to sustain it but it works in the cities. Some areas have the numbers to even have adult weight grades.

    The thing is, players still get badly hurt or killed because rugby is a dangerous sport. A school boy in NZ was killed playing last year. Can't remember what grade he was. A player from my old club died after a men's premier grade a few years ago.

    I know it sounds horrible but the fact is people will die and be crippled playing rugby. Its a dangerous job/recreational activity. Its great that steps are being taken to make it safer but it will never be completely safe.


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    #3137
    CMcsporty
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    one of ROG's best pieces
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/ronan-ogara/the-toulouse-turnaround-and-why-munster-arent-there-yet-896906.html

    These days, there’s an alternative view to everything in sports prep. Recently, we had an expert from the University of Canterbury telling us that everything we knew about player-empowerment needed second-guessing. In fact, the elite player now likes to be given specific instruction and likes to work within a defined gameplan because the alternative is too random and too individual. Who knew?

    But is too much energy expended in these vigorous preps, and when we see players flagging in the last quarter of games, should we be examining the intensity of the warm-up as much as the 80 minutes of full-on? A rugby game is hard going so why wouldn’t you keep the tank full?


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    #3138
    Eod100
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    Looks like the RWC trophy is in GPO in Dublin today. Anyone know if it's going to clubs around country? Their site just says it will be in Ireland and France this month, can't find anything more specific.


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    #3139
    The Lost Sheep
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Looks like the RWC trophy is in GPO in Dublin today. Anyone know if it's going to clubs around country? Their site just says it will be in Ireland and France this month, can't find anything more specific.
    tweet IRFU? Or email them?


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    #3140
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Looks like the RWC trophy is in GPO in Dublin today. Anyone know if it's going to clubs around country? Their site just says it will be in Ireland and France this month, can't find anything more specific.

    Clontarf just posted about it on Facebook, they'll have it down in the club one of the days. I'd imagine it'll be around a few others too.


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    #3141
    Eod100
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    tweet IRFU? Or email them?

    From past experience, they don't usually reply to tweets. I could email them but I was curious if anyone on the forum knew off hand. Then I obviously wouldn't need to email them (with no guarantee of a reply either).


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    #3142
    Eod100
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Clontarf just posted about it on Facebook, they'll have it down in the club one of the days. I'd imagine it'll be around a few others too.

    Thanks for that.


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    #3143
    The Lost Sheep
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    From past experience, they don't usually reply to tweets. I could email them but I was curious if anyone on the forum knew off hand. Then I obviously wouldn't need to email them (with no guarantee of a reply either).
    They do for me but then again IRFU account follows me for some reason
    You're far more likely to get full info from irfu either in general email or if you google and look up yourself the operations department who would likely be running any events or assisting in running them...
    far better guarantee than hoping someone here knows something


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    #3144
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,779 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    They do for me but then again IRFU account follows me for some reason
    You're far more likely to get full info from irfu either in general email or if you google and look up yourself the operations department who would likely be running any events or assisting in running them...
    far better guarantee than hoping someone here knows something

    Yeah I think they follow me too for some reason but their replies are fairly hit and miss, which is understandable given amount of tweets they get to be fair. Yeah was thinking it would be more RWC doing the scheduling but guess they would be dealing with IRFU and clubs on the ground. Will see can I find anything


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    #3145
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Looks like the RWC trophy is in GPO in Dublin today. Anyone know if it's going to clubs around country? Their site just says it will be in Ireland and France this month, can't find anything more specific.

    Very generous of NZ to lend out to y'all. Its the closest Ireland will ever get to lifting it. :D


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    #3146
    Squidgy Black
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very generous of NZ to lend out to y'all. Its the closest Ireland will ever get to lifting it. :D

    Obviously they've decided to send it over early to save the shipping costs next November


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    #3147
    sydthebeat
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    George moala eating up saints for breakfast....


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    #3148
    LuckyGent88
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    George moala eating up saints for breakfast....

    Great game. Another cracking try from clermont.


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    #3149
    sydthebeat
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    Yeah, it's a pity the commentary sounds like they are commentating on a funeral.....


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    #3150
    LuckyGent88
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Yeah, it's a pity the commentary sounds like they are commentating on a funeral.....

    I didn’t want to be the one who said it but she is pretty poor in fairness. Very unenthusiastic and monotone really.

    Were clermont asked to change the jersey for the 2nd half??


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    #3151
    sydthebeat
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    LuckyGent88 wrote: »
    I didn’t want to be the one who said it but she is pretty poor in fairness. Very unenthusiastic and monotone really.

    Were clermont asked to change the jersey for the 2nd half??

    Id think so, there was a ridiculous clash of Jersey in the first half, on a wide pan shot you couldn't make out who was who.

    Another clermont try, defense very optional. 8 tries in 46 mins


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