General Rugby Discussion II

Exclamation Marc

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nah, they just want an excuse for their sh1te performances against Ireland

It'll be Ireland's fault by the end of the story due to be Paddy Power being an Irish entity :pac:

Captain_Crash

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is it being suggested that players are involved?

All I’ve read is that more than Howley is/was involved! Players or coaches I don’t know! We may see from the teams demeanor when they play on Monday! Will it impact their performance (they’ll still win)

Gamb!t

I was tempted to throw a few quid on Wales to win it but not so sure now,what a mess.

stephen_n

Deleted User wrote: »

That's entering territory where Gatland could be involved. That's a huge accusation. It would potentially be the biggest scandal in rugby history.

Not if it goes back to when Gatland was with the lions. If Gatland or any players get pulled into this, then that’s Wales World Cup over and done.

chewed

NZ and SA national anthems.....the most boring in the world? The match hasn't even started and I'm slowly drifting off.

galwaylad14

Quick question, I’m watching this morning and enjoying it but would I be right in saying that all the best teams in each pool play each other this weekend? So does that basically mean there won’t be another meaningful game for nearly a month?

And since 2 teams come through each group does it not mean basically every big team bar 1 team from England’s are guaranteed to get through? So the proper games don’t really start until the quarter finals?

The Lost Sheep

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Quick question, I’m watching this morning and enjoying it but would I be right in saying that all the best teams in each pool play each other this weekend? So does that basically mean there won’t be another meaningful game for nearly a month?

And since 2 teams come through each group does it not mean basically every big team bar 1 team from England’s are guaranteed to get through? So the proper games don’t really start until the quarter finals?

Australia Wales next weekend and quite a lot more....

galwaylad14

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Australia Wales next weekend and quite a lot more....

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

irishbucsfan

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

Finishing top of the group is normally quite important.

And England still have to play France/Argentina

The Lost Sheep

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

Maybe.
What do you do? It isnt better for sport to drop to 16. Sport cant be closing off numbers and Finishing top of pool is quite important
England still have France, Argentina to play

guapos

https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1175348470934384641?s=09

Great idea from Gloucetser, fans who have left their seats will have to wait for a break in play to be able to get back into their seat

kuang1

guapos wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1175348470934384641?s=09

Great idea from Gloucetser, fans who have left their seats will have to wait for a break in play to be able to get back into their seat

Simple and brilliant.

Hermy

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

A world cup [in any sport] isn't just about getting rid of the weaker teams.

For those teams aiming to go all the way it's about being able to maintain form, fitness and focus for the duration of the tournament.

thomond2006

guapos wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1175348470934384641?s=09

Great idea from Gloucetser, fans who have left their seats will have to wait for a break in play to be able to get back into their seat

I want to thank this 1,000 times.

The Aviva would be so much better with this policy.

Squidgy Black

Paddy Jackson picked up his first cap for London Irish today, got about 30 minutes off the bench for Myler and kicked a conversion. Went well enough, he'll be fighting an uphill battle to displace Myler from the starting jersey who has a lot of Premiership experience and is a reliable option.

Squidgy Black

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Paddy Jackson picked up his first cap for London Irish today, got about 30 minutes off the bench for Myler and kicked a conversion. Went well enough, he'll be fighting an uphill battle to displace Myler from the starting jersey who has a lot of Premiership experience and is a reliable option.

Jackson is a better outhalf. Even when Myler was at his best he was a limited enough player, Jackson was putting in performances against South Africa before circumstances over took him.

I'd be very surprised if there was much of a competition there.

pickarooney

chewed wrote: »

NZ and SA national anthems.....the most boring in the world? The match hasn't even started and I'm slowly drifting off.

SA is a decent number. Miles better than GSTQ anyway

Squidgy Black

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jackson is a better outhalf. Even when Myler was at his best he was a limited enough player, Jackson was putting in performances against South Africa before circumstances over took him.

I'd be very surprised if there was much of a competition there.

He is, but he also hasn't played consistent rugby since 2017, his time in Perpignan was fairly brutal albeit playing with a poor team. Myler started 9 games last season for them though, he's not exactly a top level outhalf but I would say he's definitely capable of managing a game for them and knows the systems a bit better.

Podge_irl

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He is, but he also hasn't played consistent rugby since 2017, his time in Perpignan was fairly brutal albeit playing with a poor team. Myler started 9 games last season for them though, he's not exactly a top level outhalf but I would say he's definitely capable of managing a game for them and knows the systems a bit better.

He can know the systems all he wants. That will help him for a couple months tops - Jackson is in a different league as far as outhalves go. I didn't follow him in Perpignan to be fair, so not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but he was the best 10 Ireland have had not named Sexton in the last 6 years.

Dog Botherer

Podge_irl wrote: »

He can know the systems all he wants. That will help him for a couple months tops - Jackson is in a different league as far as outhalves go. I didn't follow him in Perpignan to be fair, so not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but he was the best 10 Ireland have had not named Sexton in the last 6 years.

He was absolutely useless in Perpignan, but so was everyone else.

Jackson hasn’t shown anything near Pro14 standard rugby in 2 years, never mind international standard. Myler was solid if unspectacular at his peak, and he’s long past that. LI are taking a punt on both really. Madigan probably would have been a much better signing.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

On a more cheery note and pure random general comments (because this is getting depressing), my little lad is starting his first training session this Saturday.

No amount of RWC will tempt me away from that

Well he absolutely loved it, came off the pitch beaming and saying how great it was.


I still feel a bit dirty standing in Cork Con though, I better get over that

Dog Botherer

Dog Botherer wrote: »

He was absolutely useless in Perpignan, but so was everyone else.

Jackson hasn’t shown anything near Pro14 standard rugby in 2 years, never mind international standard. Myler was solid if unspectacular at his peak, and he’s long past that. LI are taking a punt on both really. Madigan probably would have been a much better signing.

Jackson is, understandably, messed in the head.

A season of, hopefully, just good rugby and his form should improve.

Squidgy Black

Podge_irl wrote: »

He can know the systems all he wants. That will help him for a couple months tops - Jackson is in a different league as far as outhalves go. I didn't follow him in Perpignan to be fair, so not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but he was the best 10 Ireland have had not named Sexton in the last 6 years.

He was a non-entity in Perpignan. Granted the pack was constantly on the back foot, and was surrounded by players who didn't care, but his appearances were pretty much those of someone just going through the motions, apart from the first game against Racing. He's very much an unknown commodity since the legal situation, he definitely has the skill there to be a top-flight outhalf, but it's still to be seen over the last two years.

shootermacg

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He was a non-entity in Perpignan. Granted the pack was constantly on the back foot, and was surrounded by players who didn't care, but his appearances were pretty much those of someone just going through the motions, apart from the first game against Racing. He's very much an unknown commodity since the legal situation, he definitely has the skill there to be a top-flight outhalf, but it's still to be seen over the last two years.

Sorry I gave up on Jackson after this monstrosity.

ScrubsfanChris

Deleted User wrote: »

Well he absolutely loved it, came off the pitch beaming and saying how great it was.


I still feel a bit dirty standing in Cork Con though, I better get over that

At least you can admit it.
And you're not one of those parents who just wants to tell everyone little Timmy plays for Con :pac:

Is it your closest club?

ScrubsfanChris

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

At least you can admit it.
And you're not one of those parents who just wants to tell everyone little Timmy plays for Con :pac:

Is it your closest club?

Closest senior club, with the good coach to kid ratio and facilities that come with it.
Fermoy would be my closest but I'm originally from the city so know nobody there. I already know one of the Con Mini coaches, from college team, and other members generally.
Takes an extra 10 minutes to get there Vs Fermoy.

The options were Con/Douglas/Sunday's Well (I played with the latter 2) but Con just a bit closer.

Pity St. Mary's is out of commuting range (that club is the only thing I miss, from my time in Dublin)

Podge_irl

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He was a non-entity in Perpignan. Granted the pack was constantly on the back foot, and was surrounded by players who didn't care, but his appearances were pretty much those of someone just going through the motions, apart from the first game against Racing. He's very much an unknown commodity since the legal situation, he definitely has the skill there to be a top-flight outhalf, but it's still to be seen over the last two years.

He was out of rugby for a year and then went into a team who were falling apart. Obviously he may not re-capture his form, but even if he doesn't reach the heights he did before he is a better outhalf than Myler by a long, long way so he doesn't need to hit 100%.

As to Madigan, he has no real excuses for his performances and they've seen him benched. I think he would have had a better career as a 12/15.

errlloyd

The Perpignan team may have been falling to bits, and that may have made their first choice outhalf look bad. But the real damning part of his year is that he wasn't first choice from mid season onwards. The other guy has the same pack and the same team in meltdown.

errlloyd

errlloyd wrote: »

But the real damning part of his year is that he wasn't first choice from mid season onwards. The other guy has the same pack and the same team in meltdown.

Think he'd largely signalled his intention to move on at that stage, not unusual for a club to give gametime priority to the player they'll be likely holding onto.

Bazzo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Think he'd largely signalled his intention to move on at that stage, not unusual for a club to give gametime priority to the player they'll be likely holding onto.

Yeah I may be misremembering but pretty sure he was axed after his intention to move on became public. He was getting grief off Perpignan fans around the same time.