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Watched the Lions 2001 review on YouTube - its over 3 hours but a decent watch for nostalgia purposes. A few observations
- Even with Will Greenwood, Mike Catt, Dan Luger, Lawrence Dallaglio all being ruled out of the tests what a starting 15 they had available. That was a brilliant Aussie side but there's no way that Lions side should have lost a series to anyone. That said they were back-boned by the future English world cup winning side and its no secret many of the English players were unhappy with their game plan being so different to their own under Woodward
- It just does not appear a happy tour on the whole. Lots of sniping, and tetchiness all round. It eventually tarnspired there were lots of cliques - Clive Woodward claimed that an English player sat down with a group of Welsh players at dinner, who continued conversing in Welsh in his presence. Andy Robinson comes across as a right pr1ck (who Scott Quinnell nicely puts in his place at one stage
), and its very hard to know what to make of Henry, he's all pally with players one minute and then chastising individuals in front of everyone the next. Donal Lenihan always seems to have something to say
- The team talks from Lenihan and Henry are ridiculously basic and just filled with cliches. Johnson and keith Wood are the only 2 actually worth listening to in the dressing room, pure inspiring stuff from Wood. Rob Henderson was quite vocal too, which I was quite surprised with. He comes across a great character on the whole though, and I had forgotten how effective he actually was in the Tests
- NSW waratahs should have gotten massive fines for their conduct in the warm up game. How did McRae play a match again within the next year?
- The players look absolutely WRECKED by the time the final test comes around. They can hardly even run out on to the field and all the build up looks extremely laboured.
- Never knew how much of a rough time doctors and physios can get off management when they insist on taking a player off or they make a sensible decision on medical grounds. I'd doubt it happens as much nowadays though
- One funny part was the phsyio having to hide the ball and pleading with the kicking coach to stop Jonny Wilkinson from overdoing his kicking practice!!!
- The documentary really is in-depth. Proper match coverage and actual footage of conversations between physios and injured players on the pitch. Mini interviews with subs during the match. I can't get over how relaxed some subs are mid-game!
- Players are not nearly as beefy back then. Will Greenwood walks around topless at one stage and looks like he's never done a bench press in his life. Much less emphasis on the power game back then
- Matt Dawson's interview with the Telegraph mid-tour was mental when looking back - even the journalist had to contact him a few times pre-publishing to triple check it was actually ok to go ahead with it (acc to Dawson's autobiography). Absolutely scathing assessment of Henry and Lenihan and none of the Tests even played yet!!! He then went on to kick the winning score in the mid week test and when Henry comes over to hug him he barely even acknowledges him - haha he couldn't give a fk!!
- John Eales comes out for the pre-match coin toss for first test all smiles and friendly, and Johnson just completely blanks him throughout!
- Austin Healey has to be one of the most annoying people you will ever see. I heard that Bod gave him a hiding at one stage on the tour and I'd say he never had to buy himself a drink again after that
Hendo was incredible in that first test match. Everyone rightly remembers BOD, but Henderson was very effective.
My memory of that series is that it went wrong from the moment Wilkinson threw an intercept pass (was it to Matt Burke?) And that started the turnaround in the second half of the 2nd test and the momentum was with the Wallabies from that point on.
It was a great series and tour in general, I think I watched every single minute of it.
You basically had that incredible Australian team up against the guts of the '03 England WC squad plus the best of the Celts.0 -
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Watched the Lions 2001 review on YouTube - its over 3 hours but a decent watch for nostalgia purposes. A few observations
- Even with Will Greenwood, Mike Catt, Dan Luger, Lawrence Dallaglio all being ruled out of the tests what a starting 15 they had available. That was a brilliant Aussie side but there's no way that Lions side should have lost a series to anyone. That said they were back-boned by the future English world cup winning side and its no secret many of the English players were unhappy with their game plan being so different to their own under Woodward
- It just does not appear a happy tour on the whole. Lots of sniping, and tetchiness all round. It eventually tarnspired there were lots of cliques - Clive Woodward claimed that an English player sat down with a group of Welsh players at dinner, who continued conversing in Welsh in his presence. Andy Robinson comes across as a right pr1ck (who Scott Quinnell nicely puts in his place at one stage ), and its very hard to know what to make of Henry, he's all pally with players one minute and then chastising individuals in front of everyone the next. Donal Lenihan always seems to have something to say
- The team talks from Lenihan and Henry are ridiculously basic and just filled with cliches. Johnson and keith Wood are the only 2 actually worth listening to in the dressing room, pure inspiring stuff from Wood. Rob Henderson was quite vocal too, which I was quite surprised with. He comes across a great character on the whole though, and I had forgotten how effective he actually was in the Tests
- NSW waratahs should have gotten massive fines for their conduct in the warm up game. How did McRae play a match again within the next year?
- The players look absolutely WRECKED by the time the final test comes around. They can hardly even run out on to the field and all the build up looks extremely laboured.
- Never knew how much of a rough time doctors and physios can get off management when they insist on taking a player off or they make a sensible decision on medical grounds. I'd doubt it happens as much nowadays though
- One funny part was the phsyio having to hide the ball and pleading with the kicking coach to stop Jonny Wilkinson from overdoing his kicking practice!!!
- The documentary really is in-depth. Proper match coverage and actual footage of conversations between physios and injured players on the pitch. Mini interviews with subs during the match. I can't get over how relaxed some subs are mid-game!
- Players are not nearly as beefy back then. Will Greenwood walks around topless at one stage and looks like he's never done a bench press in his life. Much less emphasis on the power game back then
- Matt Dawson's interview with the Telegraph mid-tour was mental when looking back - even the journalist had to contact him a few times pre-publishing to triple check it was actually ok to go ahead with it (acc to Dawson's autobiography). Absolutely scathing assessment of Henry and Lenihan and none of the Tests even played yet!!! He then went on to kick the winning score in the mid week test and when Henry comes over to hug him he barely even acknowledges him - haha he couldn't give a fk!!
- John Eales comes out for the pre-match coin toss for first test all smiles and friendly, and Johnson just completely blanks him throughout!
- Austin Healey has to be one of the most annoying people you will ever see. I heard that Bod gave him a hiding at one stage on the tour and I'd say he never had to buy himself a drink again after that
I rewatched the series recently, and Wilko really cost them with his kicking in the 3rd test. He was a disaster that. BOD's knock on in that test was killer, he holds on and he's under the posts, likely for the win.0 -
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Watched the Lions 2001 review on YouTube - its over 3 hours but a decent watch for nostalgia purposes. A few observations
- Even with Will Greenwood, Mike Catt, Dan Luger, Lawrence Dallaglio all being ruled out of the tests what a starting 15 they had available. That was a brilliant Aussie side but there's no way that Lions side should have lost a series to anyone. That said they were back-boned by the future English world cup winning side and its no secret many of the English players were unhappy with their game plan being so different to their own under Woodward
- It just does not appear a happy tour on the whole. Lots of sniping, and tetchiness all round. It eventually tarnspired there were lots of cliques - Clive Woodward claimed that an English player sat down with a group of Welsh players at dinner, who continued conversing in Welsh in his presence. Andy Robinson comes across as a right pr1ck (who Scott Quinnell nicely puts in his place at one stage ), and its very hard to know what to make of Henry, he's all pally with players one minute and then chastising individuals in front of everyone the next. Donal Lenihan always seems to have something to say
- The team talks from Lenihan and Henry are ridiculously basic and just filled with cliches. Johnson and keith Wood are the only 2 actually worth listening to in the dressing room, pure inspiring stuff from Wood. Rob Henderson was quite vocal too, which I was quite surprised with. He comes across a great character on the whole though, and I had forgotten how effective he actually was in the Tests
- NSW waratahs should have gotten massive fines for their conduct in the warm up game. How did McRae play a match again within the next year?
- The players look absolutely WRECKED by the time the final test comes around. They can hardly even run out on to the field and all the build up looks extremely laboured.
- Never knew how much of a rough time doctors and physios can get off management when they insist on taking a player off or they make a sensible decision on medical grounds. I'd doubt it happens as much nowadays though
- One funny part was the phsyio having to hide the ball and pleading with the kicking coach to stop Jonny Wilkinson from overdoing his kicking practice!!!
- The documentary really is in-depth. Proper match coverage and actual footage of conversations between physios and injured players on the pitch. Mini interviews with subs during the match. I can't get over how relaxed some subs are mid-game!
- Players are not nearly as beefy back then. Will Greenwood walks around topless at one stage and looks like he's never done a bench press in his life. Much less emphasis on the power game back then
- Matt Dawson's interview with the Telegraph mid-tour was mental when looking back - even the journalist had to contact him a few times pre-publishing to triple check it was actually ok to go ahead with it (acc to Dawson's autobiography). Absolutely scathing assessment of Henry and Lenihan and none of the Tests even played yet!!! He then went on to kick the winning score in the mid week test and when Henry comes over to hug him he barely even acknowledges him - haha he couldn't give a fk!!
- John Eales comes out for the pre-match coin toss for first test all smiles and friendly, and Johnson just completely blanks him throughout!
- Austin Healey has to be one of the most annoying people you will ever see. I heard that Bod gave him a hiding at one stage on the tour and I'd say he never had to buy himself a drink again after that
Just watched it there. Was too young for the tour and had never seen the documentary before.
What was Donal Lenihan’s role? Just tour manager? In the most recent Lions documentaries you would barely even know who the tour manager was yet Donal Lenihan is naming the team, giving team talks and giving opinions to the coaches in the box. He seems to be in every scene.
The coaches in general didn’t come across well. Andy Robinson turning around to the camera after the intercept try sticks out.
The atmosphere before the games looked class, the 2nd test in particular.
The Lions gear in ‘01 was class. Love the overalls the subs were wearing.0 -
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Watched the Lions 2001 review on YouTube - its over 3 hours but a decent watch for nostalgia purposes. A few observations
- Even with Will Greenwood, Mike Catt, Dan Luger, Lawrence Dallaglio all being ruled out of the tests what a starting 15 they had available. That was a brilliant Aussie side but there's no way that Lions side should have lost a series to anyone. That said they were back-boned by the future English world cup winning side and its no secret many of the English players were unhappy with their game plan being so different to their own under Woodward
- It just does not appear a happy tour on the whole. Lots of sniping, and tetchiness all round. It eventually tarnspired there were lots of cliques - Clive Woodward claimed that an English player sat down with a group of Welsh players at dinner, who continued conversing in Welsh in his presence. Andy Robinson comes across as a right pr1ck (who Scott Quinnell nicely puts in his place at one stage ), and its very hard to know what to make of Henry, he's all pally with players one minute and then chastising individuals in front of everyone the next. Donal Lenihan always seems to have something to say
- The team talks from Lenihan and Henry are ridiculously basic and just filled with cliches. Johnson and keith Wood are the only 2 actually worth listening to in the dressing room, pure inspiring stuff from Wood. Rob Henderson was quite vocal too, which I was quite surprised with. He comes across a great character on the whole though, and I had forgotten how effective he actually was in the Tests
- NSW waratahs should have gotten massive fines for their conduct in the warm up game. How did McRae play a match again within the next year?
- The players look absolutely WRECKED by the time the final test comes around. They can hardly even run out on to the field and all the build up looks extremely laboured.
- Never knew how much of a rough time doctors and physios can get off management when they insist on taking a player off or they make a sensible decision on medical grounds. I'd doubt it happens as much nowadays though
- One funny part was the phsyio having to hide the ball and pleading with the kicking coach to stop Jonny Wilkinson from overdoing his kicking practice!!!
- The documentary really is in-depth. Proper match coverage and actual footage of conversations between physios and injured players on the pitch. Mini interviews with subs during the match. I can't get over how relaxed some subs are mid-game!
- Players are not nearly as beefy back then. Will Greenwood walks around topless at one stage and looks like he's never done a bench press in his life. Much less emphasis on the power game back then
- Matt Dawson's interview with the Telegraph mid-tour was mental when looking back - even the journalist had to contact him a few times pre-publishing to triple check it was actually ok to go ahead with it (acc to Dawson's autobiography). Absolutely scathing assessment of Henry and Lenihan and none of the Tests even played yet!!! He then went on to kick the winning score in the mid week test and when Henry comes over to hug him he barely even acknowledges him - haha he couldn't give a fk!!
- John Eales comes out for the pre-match coin toss for first test all smiles and friendly, and Johnson just completely blanks him throughout!
- Austin Healey has to be one of the most annoying people you will ever see. I heard that Bod gave him a hiding at one stage on the tour and I'd say he never had to buy himself a drink again after that
It's a good documentary, much less sanitized than the ones out these days so you get more of an insight. Lot of characters on that tour and one of the turning points in Irish rugby in my opinion. Drico has said on a number of occasions that the Lions tours he was on were eye opening in terms of the professionalism of the other players.
You can see how integral Wood is by the end. He comes across exceedingly well both as a player, leader and a man who clearly has a lot going on upstairs. Brilliant stuff. He and Johnson are very much part of the coaching panel by the end.
Johnson similarly is all business, totally focused and competitive in an almost existential kind of way. I'd say himself and Sexton would be cut from similar cloths. Greenwood is hilarious, totally the opposite - completely chill and just taking it all in and enjoying himself.
I thought Healy seemed fairly popular, obviously a mouth and a bit arrogant at times but more a likable class clown than anything else. The whole Dawson thing is mad, he really misjudged the mood in the room and made a huge mistake that he completely took on the chin, credit to him for backtracking and apologizing.
It's interesting seeing the different attitudes and approaches. All the Irish contingent come across well, Drico speaks well at times but you can tell he is a bit out of his comfort zone. Played incredibly on that tour. Thought some of the Welsh lads on the other hand were a bit crass at times but each to their own.
Big Donal Lenihan is jarring when he curses! Again I felt he came across well, spoke well at times albeit a little jingoistic but you could see he totally bought in and was very upset at the end. He and Henry both seemed to have a good rapport with the players, Robinson not so much on the other hand.
The injury toll was pretty bad, not just the lads who had to be replaced but the team who took to the pitch were held together by tape. All the franchises went out to hurt the team and you can hear at one stage Johnson is saying similar about some of their play makers.
You can see the tension and anxiety in the players at half time of the second test. There are a few minutes from the changing room and the lads look like they've just crawled off the front lines. It went down hill from there, none of the main play makers were fit for the following week but they had to go out and play.
It's a must watch for a rugby fan. Eye opening.0 -
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