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General Rugby Discussion II

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    #1262
    Jack Kanoff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Jack Kanoff


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Interesting that they explicitly stated that they felt a replay would be the best course of action

    Until the new info became available.... different ball game now I think


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    #1263
    Jack Kanoff
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    Does anyone else think that if World Rugby investigate this properly, they are going to find widespread corruption ?


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    #1264
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    Does anyone else think that if World Rugby investigate this properly, they are going to find widespread corruption ?

    I'd be inclined to say they'll find widespread Incompetence more than Corruption.

    A lot of the "illegal" players appear to be cases of a complete lack of due diligence in terms of player eligibility and so on..


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    #1265
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Really would like to see the NH use the Super Rugby model for the TMO. Instead of “try - yes or no” or “any reason not to award the try” the on field refs give a decision “on field decision is try/no try”. The TMO is then no longer obliged to agonise but simply looks for an egregious error that means the decision is patently wrong.

    It works much much better and the turn around time for decisions is much quicker.


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    #1266
    The Lost Sheep
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Really would like to see the NH use the Super Rugby model for the TMO. Instead of “try - yes or no” or “any reason not to award the try” the on field refs give a decision “on field decision is try/no try”. The TMO is then no longer obliged to agonise but simply looks for an egregious error that means the decision is patently wrong.

    It works much much better and the turn around time for decisions is much quicker.
    Im not sure that is better. Because refs can often be unsighted or just unsure on whether its a try so saying try/no try isnt right if unsure and the TMO still has to look at everything anyway to be sure


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    #1267
    Jack Kanoff
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    https://twitter.com/Richww/status/982353806657667072?s=19

    Fairly priceless... BBC commentator let's his true feelings come to the fore #partiality :)


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    #1268
    Buer
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    He says "I don't know what they thought they were doing there".


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    #1269
    Jack Kanoff
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    Buer wrote: »
    He says "I don't know what they thought they were doing there".

    Shhh, don't ruin it


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    #1270
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Bristol back in the Premiership for next year. They've topped the league and no playoffs this year.


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    #1271
    Jack Kanoff
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Bristol back in the Premiership for next year. They've topped the league and no playoffs this year.

    Is it next season that the ring fencing is suppose to come into effect?


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    #1272
    Buer
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    For all the complaints about how the English stars are being flogged and the clubs struggle to balance their playing time with the competitiveness of the AP, I've very little sympathy looking at today's matches.

    Owen Farrell and Maro Itoje played possibly the toughest 80 minutes of club rugby they'll face this season last week. That comes hot on the heels of a 6N. They faced a poor Northampton side today who can still be relegated and were without the likes of Hartley and Lawes. Saracens chose to field 10 of the starting team from last week. Farrell and Itoje, their two biggest stars, both played 80 minutes. Saracens had the BP wrapped up after 50. Vunipola, their other test Lion, stayed on until the 63rd minute when they had 44 points on the board.

    Why on earth are they flogging these players to hell and back completely unnecessarily? There was absolutely nothing stopping them from making a couple more changes today and giving some of their stars a rest or withdrawing them earlier (or at all).


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    #1273
    Burkie1203
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    Denny Solomona in trouble with immigration as he has reportedly split with his wife.


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    #1274
    ScrubsfanChris
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Denny Solomona in trouble with immigration as he has reportedly split with his wife.
    Not a great week for him. Already banned for 4 weeks for multiple homophobic remarks (to put it polietly) during a game.


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    #1275
    Burkie1203
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    Worcester posted a loss of £8m last year. Ouch.


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    #1276
    Squidgy Black
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    Buer wrote: »
    For all the complaints about how the English stars are being flogged and the clubs struggle to balance their playing time with the competitiveness of the AP, I've very little sympathy looking at today's matches.

    Owen Farrell and Maro Itoje played possibly the toughest 80 minutes of club rugby they'll face this season last week. That comes hot on the heels of a 6N. They faced a poor Northampton side today who can still be relegated and were without the likes of Hartley and Lawes. Saracens chose to field 10 of the starting team from last week. Farrell and Itoje, their two biggest stars, both played 80 minutes. Saracens had the BP wrapped up after 50. Vunipola, their other test Lion, stayed on until the 63rd minute when they had 44 points on the board.

    Why on earth are they flogging these players to hell and back completely unnecessarily? There was absolutely nothing stopping them from making a couple more changes today and giving some of their stars a rest or withdrawing them earlier (or at all).

    The issue is that the RFU have these concerns, but because the clubs are all privately owned, they have no real control over it. Club owners are paying out massive salaries and want their top players playing every single minute.

    The RFU really need to step in and put some form of playing time regulation in place, and hit them with fines if they're breached.

    Players are going to end up with serious injuries because of fatigue and just the sheer stress that amount of playing is putting on their bodies.


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    #1277
    FACECUTTR
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Worcester posted a loss of £8m last year. Ouch.

    Wow and they are still fighting at the bottom. Not good for them at all.


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    #1278
    pickarooney
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    Why are the English teams spending so much on salaries? What's preventing them producing enough home grown players to fill out 12 teams and huge depth for the England side?

    For all the imports and big wages most of the AP sides are not particularly good.


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    #1279
    Interested Observer
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Why are the English teams spending so much on salaries? What's preventing them producing enough home grown players to fill out 12 teams and huge depth for the England side?

    For all the imports and big wages most of the AP sides are not particularly good.

    To be fair they have to operate on a much shorter term basis than the Irish provinces for example. I would think the consequences for an English club having a really bad season are much more severe than if Leinster or Munster did.

    I don't think it can be overstated how beneficial it is to have the IRFU backing all the Irish provinces. There's nobody there to bail out Worcester. What would happen to them if they got relegated? They just don't have seasons to spend developing guys I don't think.

    I also completely agree with Buer above on the point re. Farrell and Itoje. These guys do not need to be playing 80 mins of a dead-rubber against Northampton.


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    #1280
    Jack Kanoff
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    Nigel Owens has weighed in with his view on the Folau comments... saying they might contribute to some youngsters taking their own lives.....

    I'm not sure he's being genuine here... think it could be a clever soundbite to put pressure on Folau to issue a proper apology.


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    #1281
    pickarooney
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    Saracens are never going to get relegated. They could shift out half the over earners and play some youth players in the meaningless away games.

    England produces pro-level under 20 teams year after year. Where do these guys end up? Benching behind Itoje away to Sale at best?

    What is the long term plan for a club that wins 4 trophies in three years and ends up tens of millions in debt? And what are the RFU doing with all their money if they don't have to pay player wages? Couldn't they give central contracts to 40 or 50 players and restrict their playing time?


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    #1282
    Interested Observer
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Saracens are never going to get relegated. They could shift out half the over earners and play some youth players in the meaningless away games.

    What meaningless away games?


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    #1283
    MarinersBlues
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    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    Nigel Owens has weighed in with his view on the Folau comments... saying they might contribute to some youngsters taking their own lives.....

    I'm not sure he's being genuine here... think it could be a clever soundbite to put pressure on Folau to issue a proper apology.

    Nigel Owens is a man who speaks publicly about the fact that he attempted to take his own life when struggling with his sexuality.

    I'm pretty sure he is being genuine.


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    #1284
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    MarinersBlues wrote: »
    Nigel Owens is a man who speaks publicly about the fact that he attempted to take his own life when struggling with his sexuality.

    I'm pretty sure he is being genuine.
    Exactly. Put yourself in the mindset of a young person struggling with his/her sexuality and then hearing your hero saying you're going to hell for it.


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    #1285
    Jack Kanoff
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Exactly. Put yourself in the mindset of a young person struggling with his/her sexuality and then hearing your hero saying you're going to hell for it.

    Does anyone actually think Folau is someones hero?. This isn't the first time he's opened his mouth and proven a twit....I wouldn't think anything he says would carry any weight and the fact that Nigel implys it could cause people to take their own lives...well... not very clever imo


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    #1286
    Buer
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    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Exactly. Put yourself in the mindset of a young person struggling with his/her sexuality and then hearing your hero saying you're going to hell for it.

    Does anyone actually think Folau is someones hero?
    The guy is considered one of the best all round athletes in modern times in Australia. He was the youngest ever player to appear for the Kangaroos and then became one of the best in the world in union. There's no doubt he is a hero to some.

    Owens is being completely genuine and Folau's comments will definitely have a negative impact on some younger, impressionable people.


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    #1287
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    Does anyone actually think Folau is someones hero?. This isn't the first time he's opened his mouth and proven a twit....I wouldn't think anything he says would carry any weight and the fact that Nigel implys it could cause people to take their own lives...well... not very clever imo

    If he was from Kerry they’d try to elect him to the Dail! :D


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    #1288
    Former Former
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    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    Does anyone actually think Folau is someones hero?. This isn't the first time he's opened his mouth and proven a twit....I wouldn't think anything he says would carry any weight and the fact that Nigel implys it could cause people to take their own lives...well... not very clever imo

    In theory, three-quarters of the population of Ireland agree with Folau.


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    #1289
    pickarooney
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    Even the pope doesn't agree with Folau.


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    #1290
    Former Former
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Even the pope doesn't agree with Folau.

    He gave it a bit of lip service but the official position of the Catholic Church remains that engaging in homosexual acts is a mortal sin and failure to repent can only land you in one place... So no, I don't think he disagrees that much.

    To be clear; I find Folau's views absolutely repugnant. I just find it hard to square the outrage against him with the clearly defined teachings of the major religion of this country.


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    #1291
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Former Former wrote: »
    He gave it a bit of lip service but the official position of the Catholic Church remains that engaging in homosexual acts is a mortal sin and failure to repent can only land you in one place... So no, I don't think he disagrees that much.

    To be clear; I find Folau's views absolutely repugnant. I just find it hard to square the outrage against him with the clearly defined teachings of the major religion of this country.

    You don't really believe that over 75% of the country actually agree with him, though. Because obviously they do not.

    Has he faced any official repercussions?


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