General Rugby Discussion II

Squatter

June18zellie wrote: »

how about 50% travellers in ur team then see what happens

We mightn't win the game - but we'd definitely win the fight - or fights!

Squidgy Black

June18zellie wrote: »

Says the Irishman???inbreeding is part of ur culture as is peados

Good man, way to bring it way too far.

irishbucsfan

Someone is angry again!

June18zellie

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Someone is angry again!

Not angry,just facts

prawnsambo

June18zellie wrote: »

Says the Irishman???inbreeding is part of ur culture as is peados

Yeah, but we're far better educated.


Anyway, this isn't rugby, so let's get back on topic. We've one thing in common anyway. We both want you to beat England.

Squatter

June18zellie wrote: »

Not angry,just facts

I'm inclined to agree with you! It always annoys me to see Zimbabwean players - like The Beast - turning out for South Africa. :pac:

You really should keep recruitment to your own home grown players!

June18zellie

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah, but we're far better educated.


Anyway, this isn't rugby, so let's get back on topic. We've one thing in common anyway. We both want you to beat England.

Hopefully will beat England,if he gets to play the right players then will beat anyone but doubt that,shows by he’s captaincy choice that he will have quota players in the squad

OldRio

How long before the meltdown?

irishbucsfan

June18zellie wrote: »

Hopefully will beat England,if he gets to play the right players then will beat anyone but doubt that,shows by he’s captaincy choice that he will have quota players in the squad

Who would have been a better captain?

Is it just any white player? Because Kolisi has been captaining the Stormers who surely weren't picking him for any quota!

joseywhales

You should import more white Namibian and Zimbabwean players, like the glory days of SA rugby.

Dog Botherer

Yeah, South Africa really need to cop on and start picking some more Big Boks.

Bazzo

It's like a lad that's had 40 pints who keeps trying to sneak into the local pub he's barred from with a selection of pound shop fake moustaches.

ScrubsfanChris

Burkie1203

Popcorn at the ready.

https://twitter.com/The42_ie/status/1001944805990125568?s=19

Enzokk

Deleted User wrote: »

Would this be considered SA's best 23 I wonder? It's not an ideal trip to make the week before you host England for a three test tour so I wouldn't be surprised if Rassie sent a more experimental test side to keep the core of the team fresh for next week.

Still surprises me that Elton Jantjies is the starting 10 for a team that has won the world cup twice, I've yet to see him put in a performance that would give you confidence in his ability to control a game but admittedly I've seen little of his super rugby career.

I don't understand why people are skeptical of Elton Jantjies. He played for a Lions team that were raw when he made his debut. Then when he was loaned to the Stormers in 2013 a few weeks before the tournament started his father died after a bee sting.

Bee sting kills Elton’s dad - report

He also had the misfortune of playing for Allister Coetzee in that season so the circumstances was against a 22 year old going to a new team with established players for a year and he under performed. Think of the reaction to Carberry going to Ulster or Munster for a season and you get the idea of what he had to deal with as well. I am not sure if the players really warmed to him.

But the last three years in Super Rugby he has been far and away the best SA flyhalf. He has almost scored 1000 points in Super Rugby and has led his team to two consecutive finals. He also misses very few games to injuries even with the big forwards targeting his channel.

I think the reason the SA rugby public hasn't warmed to him is that he doesn't play like they think a flyhalf should play. He actually wants the ball and wants to wants to be the playmaker whereas you are more likely to see a forward take the ball as first receiver for other SA teams.

He will make mistakes, but that is because he will want to be the player that takes responsibility. Any team would be lucky to have him as long as they don't bypass him but give him the responsibility of running the game.

errlloyd

Any of you rugby oldies know the rough decade that throwing into linesouts began to move from scrum-halves and wingers to hookers. Trying to understand that element in rugby's developmental history as best I can.

errlloyd

errlloyd wrote: »

Any of you rugby oldies know the rough decade that throwing into linesouts began to move from scrum-halves and wingers to hookers. Trying to understand that element in rugby's developmental history as best I can.

I'm not sure but I'm pretty certain I've seen both Sean O'Brien and Isaac Boss throw line outs before if that is of any use to you!

Burkie1203

errlloyd wrote: »

Any of you rugby oldies know the rough decade that throwing into linesouts began to move from scrum-halves and wingers to hookers. Trying to understand that element in rugby's developmental history as best I can.

Leinster still have a winger throwing in. Nobody has told Cronin he is actually a hooker.

prawnsambo

errlloyd wrote: »

Any of you rugby oldies know the rough decade that throwing into linesouts began to move from scrum-halves and wingers to hookers. Trying to understand that element in rugby's developmental history as best I can.

I think it could have been the seventies. I recall seeing old footage of matches in the sixties where backs were throwing in. But that could well have been from even earlier.

OldRio

errlloyd wrote: »

Any of you rugby oldies know the rough decade that throwing into linesouts began to move from scrum-halves and wingers to hookers. Trying to understand that element in rugby's developmental history as best I can.

Memory is a little hazy. Started playing in about 1969 and I think the scrum half threw it in. Changed in the mid 70,'s but I wouldn't be 100% on that.

Professor Moriarty

IIRC, 9s throwing into lineouts died out by 1980 with the odd exception. I remember French 9s throwing in and it being very unusual. Apparently Berbizier threw in some lineouts in the 1987 WC.

irishbucsfan

OldRio wrote: »

Memory is a little hazy. Started playing in about 1969 and I think the scrum half threw it in. Changed in the mid 70,'s but I wouldn't be 100% on that.

Pretty sure you're right. My Dad would have started about 4 or 5 years before you and he threw in until he was done in the mid-70s and his successor throwing in was a hooker.

stephen_n

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Leinster still have a winger throwing in. Nobody has told Cronin he is actually a hooker.

That explains his darts some days, though wasn’t he a center not a winger?

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Pretty sure you're right. My Dad would have started about 4 or 5 years before you and he threw in until he was done in the mid-70s and his successor throwing in was a hooker.

Was your dad a scrum half? I've been trying to find historical sources on this, but rugby history books either focus on the origins, schism, war years in France or the first world cup onwards. You'd be forgiven for thinking no rugby was played in the 60s and 70s!

irishbucsfan

errlloyd wrote: »

Was your dad a scrum half? I've been trying to find historical sources on this, but rugby history books either focus on the origins, schism, war years in France or the first world cup onwards. You'd be forgiven for thinking no rugby was played in the 60s and 70s!

A winger. This would have been in England. And given the level he played at I would definitely believe that there wasn't much rugby being played!

OldRio

I see Edinburgh have put in for planning permission for a new stadium at Murrayfield. It's to be built on one of the practice pitches adjacent to the Main Stadium.
7800 capacity. 3G surface. Reported in the Scotsman.

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

A winger. This would have been in England. And given the level he played at I would definitely believe that there wasn't much rugby being played!

Cool, found this game from 1967, Wales v NZ, and for both teams it's whichever winger is closer. So I guess it was sometime in the next 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apt3FaX2Wxw


Edit, although here is a full game from 1977 and New Zealand still have a winger throwing in - but the Lions are using their hooker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7I2bor8aw8

Buer

That would be great for Edinburgh. Much more suitable for them and a ground they could genuinely fill for a lot of games. They can move bigger games next door.

With the artificial surface, I wonder will they consider changing Murrayfield also to 3G/4G? It would give a nice advantage to have almost all of the Scottish players playing on that surface every week.

errlloyd

Buer wrote: »

That would be great for Edinburgh. Much more suitable for them and a ground they could genuinely fill for a lot of games. They can move bigger games next door.

With the artificial surface, I wonder will they consider changing Murrayfield also to 3G/4G? It would give a nice advantage to have almost all of the Scottish players playing on that surface every week.

Murrayfield was one of those cool hybrid's that are really expensive and way better I think.

MJohnston

This seems dumb:

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1002191291239862272