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    #2732
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,677 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    They should have their memberships revoked from the club. At a minimum. That's shocking carry on.


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    #2733
    [Deleted User]
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    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    The people who hurled the abuse should be banned from attending Rugby grounds on the whole island for 12 months at least. It happens with the LOI where people get banned, and the guards actively enforce a number of these bans

    If you haven't learned in 20+ years what is and isn't acceptable I'm not sure what they'll learn in another 12 months.

    I'm amazed there wasn't a row in the stands, not sure I'd personally be able to stay quiet if I heard that kind of abuse.


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    #2734
    OldRio
    Registered Users Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Deleted User wrote: »

    I'm amazed there wasn't a row in the stands, not sure I'd personally be able to stay quiet if I heard that kind of abuse.

    This.

    If anyone oversteps the boundaries of obvious common decency and behaviour someone steps in. On or off the pitch.
    I echo IBF comments. The club know the culprits.
    Shocking behaviour from all concerned. Top to bottom.


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    #2735
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    In fairness to the club they may not. This was a Junior match I’d imagine, since she has only be subsequently passed for AIL. There are no stewards, no supervision of supporters at junior matches. People talk about bans, how would that be enforced? These aren’t enclosed grounds. I’m sure people in the club know who was involved, but proving it might be a different obstacle. If the ref had pointed them out to either coaches, then that might be different.

    Regardless of that, it reflects very poorly on Coleraine RFC or possibly their opponents.


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    #2736
    sydthebeat
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    People talk about bans, how would that be enforced? These aren’t enclosed grounds..

    people have been banned from my local club for less.

    its simple, you revoke membership and make it clear they are not welcome within the gates or there will be police involvement.


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    #2737
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Buer wrote: »
    Not sure if this is the correct thread but Coleraine should consider themselves very bloody lucky.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/1026/1006815-l5k-fine-for-vile-sexist-abuse-of-female-rugby-ref/

    The fact that there is no sanction against those involved is a disgrace.
    Very very lucky
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Actual grown ups going on like this. It breaks my mind the ignorance and stupidity. How do you get to adulthood and not realise how incredibly unacceptable that kind of behaviour is.

    What the **** is wrong with people.
    People all too often lose every sense of common sense/decency etc when on sidelines at games.
    stephen_n wrote: »
    In fairness to the club they may not. This was a Junior match I’d imagine, since she has only be subsequently passed for AIL. There are no stewards, no supervision of supporters at junior matches. People talk about bans, how would that be enforced? These aren’t enclosed grounds. I’m sure people in the club know who was involved, but proving it might be a different obstacle. If the ref had pointed them out to either coaches, then that might be different.

    Regardless of that, it reflects very poorly on Coleraine RFC or possibly their opponents.
    People have been banned for less. people at gate told of people not to allow into games. You revoke membership of home club as a start and warn if they do turn up police will be involved.


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    #2738
    stephen_n
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »

    People have been banned for less. people at gate told of people not to allow into games. You revoke membership of home club as a start and warn if they do turn up police will be involved.

    Yeah that works fine for AIL matches when there is a gate, but not at junior matches. Maybe as Syd said they can be told their not welcome on club grounds but from my experience it would be hard to enforce.


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    #2739
    The Lost Sheep
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    Yeah that works fine for AIL matches when there is a gate, but not at junior matches. Maybe as Syd said they can be told their not welcome on club grounds but from my experience it would be hard to enforce.
    Not having gate shouldnt be factor. If club committee/club members actively work to enforce it.


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    #2740
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    stephen_n wrote: »
    In fairness to the club they may not. This was a Junior match I’d imagine, since she has only be subsequently passed for AIL. There are no stewards, no supervision of supporters at junior matches. People talk about bans, how would that be enforced? These aren’t enclosed grounds. I’m sure people in the club know who was involved, but proving it might be a different obstacle. If the ref had pointed them out to either coaches, then that might be different.

    Regardless of that, it reflects very poorly on Coleraine RFC or possibly their opponents.

    You can be sure that if Coleraine didn't know who they were, they'd have been quick enough to say so at the hearing and avoid the fine.
    stephen_n wrote: »
    Yeah that works fine for AIL matches when there is a gate, but not at junior matches. Maybe as Syd said they can be told their not welcome on club grounds but from my experience it would be hard to enforce.

    On the other hand, the general public doesn't turn up to junior games. There's no one there who doesn't have some connection to the club or one of the players.


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    #2741
    Buer
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    A quick read of UAFC on the topic and they suggest that there were a couple of long term members as well as a significant club sponsor involved. Also not the first time the club have been reprimanded.


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    #2742
    stephen_n
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Not having gate shouldnt be factor. If club committee/club members actively work to enforce it.

    Which would require a high percentage of the members knowing about the ban and knowing the people in question. As a player I wouldn’t have a clue who the people watching a game were.

    Blaming a club for the actions of people watching a game, who may well not even be members is harsh on the club, that’s just my opinion on it. These guys were arseholes, it’s them who are the problem.

    If what Buer said is accurate then that’s very different.


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    #2743
    The Lost Sheep
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    Which would require a high percentage of the members knowing about the ban and knowing the people in question. As a player I wouldn’t have a clue who the people watching a game were.

    Blaming a club for the actions of people watching a game, who may well not even be members is harsh on the club, that’s just my opinion on it. These guys were arseholes, it’s them who are the problem.

    If what Buer said is accurate then that’s very different.
    They represent the club though and for that its not harsh at all.


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    #2744
    awec
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    Buer wrote: »
    A quick read of UAFC on the topic and they suggest that there were a couple of long term members as well as a significant club sponsor involved. Also not the first time the club have been reprimanded.
    Someone connected to a sponsor and (this is even worse) a former club president apparently.


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    #2745
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Disgraceful tbh. Male or Female reffing a game it's totally wrong to abuse the officials.

    I've a mate heavily involved with the gaa in meath. The stories he tells are unreal...parents at under 9's games roaring abuse at the ref and umpires. Effing and blinding and giving dogs abuse to the officials....at Under 9's.
    He's a great man though. Stopped a game o e Sunday morning and walked up to one lad and asked him to come on to the pitch and ref it seeing as he knows more than everyone else. Big red head on yer man and not a squeak from him again!!


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    #2746
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    Buer wrote: »
    A quick read of UAFC on the topic and they suggest that there were a couple of long term members as well as a significant club sponsor involved. Also not the first time the club have been reprimanded.

    So the club takes the hit and passes the fines along and no individuals get mentioned.

    That would be enough for me to leave a club personally.
    mfceiling wrote: »
    Disgraceful tbh. Male or Female reffing a game it's totally wrong to abuse the officials.

    I've a mate heavily involved with the gaa in meath. The stories he tells are unreal...parents at under 9's games roaring abuse at the ref and umpires. =

    I dread this, I won't be able to bite my lip hard enough. Can't stand indecency, especially around kids.


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    #2747
    mfceiling
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So the club takes the hit and passes the fines along and no individuals get mentioned.

    That would be enough for me to leave a club personally.



    I dread this, I won't be able to bite my lip hard enough. Can't stand indecency, especially around kids.

    My mate keeps hammering it home to the kids about respect. He also keeps putting reminders into the various whatsapp groups for parents to mind their language on the sideline.


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    #2748
    razorblunt
    Registered Users Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    So the Doddie Weir Cup that Wales and Scotland are playing for in the game being played outside the International window is not contributing anything to the Doddie Weir Fund.
    Classy from both Unions.


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    #2749
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    razorblunt wrote: »
    So the Doddie Weir Cup that Wales and Scotland are playing for in the game being played outside the International window is not contributing anything to the Doddie Weir Fund.
    Classy from both Unions.

    In fairness, Weir and his charity are perfectly happy with the arrangements, other people are getting outraged on his behalf.


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    #2750
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Former Former wrote: »
    In fairness, Weir and his charity are perfectly happy with the arrangements, other people are getting outraged on his behalf.
    I've read that both unions are donating around £10,000 via other events and fundraisers, just not donating any of the match revenue itself. It was never billed as a charity match.
    I agree with you sounds like people looking for outrage.


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    #2751
    errlloyd
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    I think there is both sides here. They probably organised the game before deciding to get him involved. But once they did they should just have presented a trophy. They shouldn't have made the whole game about him. Selling tickets with his name on them did feel like a money grab.


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    #2752
    Burkie1203
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    I think there is both sides here. They probably organised the game before deciding to get him involved. But once they did they should just have presented a trophy. They shouldn't have made the whole game about him. Selling tickets with his name on them did feel like a money grab.

    There is quite a few fund raisers organised around this fixture now which wouldn't be happening if the fixture wasn't.

    SRU are getting £1.2m apparently. Crowd of 55000 expected.

    Peter Jackson on scrum V crucified the WRU for playing a game against a team minus their French and English based players, while Wales are also missing a few English based players.


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    #2753
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Former Former wrote: »
    In fairness, Weir and his charity are perfectly happy with the arrangements, other people are getting outraged on his behalf.

    Accepting the arrangements doesn't mean he isn't getting screwed, and doesn't mean that the WRU/SRU are acting honourably.


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    #2754
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    "We'll pay you in exposure" - pile of bollocks.


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    #2755
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Accepting the arrangements doesn't mean he isn't getting screwed, and doesn't mean that the WRU/SRU are acting honourably.

    No, but there hasn't been any suggestion from anyone connected with either the charity or the unions that anyone has acted dishonorably. Quite the opposite, the statement from Scott Hastings was very complimentary of the unions.


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    #2756
    Neil3030
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    Former Former wrote: »
    No, but there hasn't been any suggestion from anyone connected with either the charity or the unions that anyone has acted dishonorably. Quite the opposite, the statement from Scott Hastings was very complimentary of the unions.

    It's fairly clear to me what they were up to; take for example how the event is described on this page of the SRU website:
    Scotland will open the autumn campaign against their Six Nations rivals and contest the ‘Doddie Weir Cup’, as both teams support the former Scotland and British & Irish Lions player who has been diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease.

    Many people read into the event as proceeds from the match going to the DW trust, and bought tickets for this very reason, e.g.:

    https://twitter.com/y_hail/status/1056274699037085698


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    #2757
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    This is a lot more like it:

    https://twitter.com/Scotlandteam/status/1057010943358578693


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    #2758
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Good piece by Ian McKinley on Jaime Heaslip's The Sports Chronicle.

    https://www.thesportschronicle.com/rugby/ian-mckinley-italy-rugby/

    There's a few other good interviews on that site too


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    #2759
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    This is a lot more like it:

    https://twitter.com/Scotlandteam/status/1057010943358578693

    The cynic can't help but think that £1000.01 is a 6 figure sum


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    #2760
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    https://www.facebook.com/worldrugby/videos/1067676063392128

    Maitland for me. Just for those 2 classy out of hand passes from Finn Russell.


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    #2761
    [Deleted User]
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/worldrugby/videos/1067676063392128

    Maitland for me. Just for those 2 classy out of hand passes from Finn Russell.

    Pretty sure there was a knock on and a forward pass for that.

    I'd go for Barrett or Stander, too many breakdown's in the other tries.


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