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Fairytale of New York?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    While I understand that the word in question here is beyond insulting to the LGTB community I think context is important here.

    The word is not being used in that way in this song as far as I can tell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    While I understand that the word in question here is beyond insulting to the LGTB community I think context is important here.

    The word is not being used in that way in this song as far as I can tell.

    Even if it was we can’t go back over every song, movie, book and tv show looking for something that some people may be insulted by (personally I doubt that the LGBT community are particularly bothered by the song).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    While I understand that the word in question here is beyond insulting to the LGTB community I think context is important here.

    The word is not being used in that way in this song as far as I can tell.

    No. When the song first came out it was slang for a cigarette. Basically she's saying he's as useless as a cheap cigarette.

    Hell, its still used as a slang for cigarettes to this day. We need to stop pandering to the professionally outraged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    No. When the song first came out it was slang for a cigarette. Basically she's saying he's as useless as a cheap cigarette.

    Hell, its still used as a slang for cigarettes to this day. We need to stop pandering to the professionally outraged.

    Don't think this was the case. A cigarette was a fag which was not short for fággot.

    A fag is a left over/remnant piece of cloth so the end of a cigarette was a fag end. Nobody ever asked someone for a lend of a fággot.

    I was a teenager in the 80s and fággot was definitely used as a gay insult then and has been for years.

    However, nobody felt this way about the song as it's a fight between a couple and she's clearly using it to call him a dick.

    All about context and I fail to see how people can be offended by it.

    Also, it bloody rhymes too.

    Will arsehole be removed as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Don't think this was the case. A cigarette was a fag which was not short for fot.

    A fag is a left over/remnant piece of cloth so the end of a cigarette was a fag end.

    I was a teenager in the 80s and fot was definitely used as a gay insult then and has been for years.

    However, nobody felt this way about the song as it's a fight between a couple and she's clearly using it to call him a dick.

    All about context and I fail to see how people can be offended by it.

    Also, it bloody rhymes too.

    Will arsehole be removed as well?

    Which stand up comedian said he never used the word fagot(intentionally misspelled) to slate gay people, only ever when people acted like fagots? He was spot on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    No. When the song first came out it was slang for a cigarette. Basically she's saying he's as useless as a cheap cigarette.

    Hell, its still used as a slang for cigarettes to this day. We need to stop pandering to the professionally outraged.
    What are you blabbering on about?
    fag=/=fággot.


    "Give us a load of a fággot", said no smoker ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    No. When the song first came out it was slang for a cigarette. Basically she's saying he's as useless as a cheap cigarette.

    Hell, its still used as a slang for cigarettes to this day. We need to stop pandering to the professionally outraged.

    This is a professionally stupid post.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Thought Baby It’s Cold Outside was to be this year's problematic song?

    This post is from last year? don't remember that kerfuffle myself at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    This post is from last year? don't remember that kerfuffle myself at all.

    Sure they recycle this nonsense controversy nearly every year now.

    The song has had the word censored on pre-watershed radio for years now, but every year the usual types come out of the woodwork and start acting like it's suddenly censorship of free speech or some gibberish.

    I'm 100% sure we'll see the same bull**** come up next year.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Doesn't he call yer wan a sl*t as well? How come that's slipping through the outrage? Unless someone's mentioned it in here already because I haven't read through the whole thread :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Doesn't he call yer wan a sl*t as well? How come that's slipping through the outrage? Unless someone's mentioned it in here already because I haven't read through the whole thread :o

    The slut community don’t have morons being outraged on their behalf


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Sure they recycle this nonsense controversy nearly every year now.

    The song has had the word censored on pre-watershed radio for years now, but every year the usual types come out of the woodwork and start acting like it's suddenly censorship of free speech or some gibberish.

    I'm 100% sure we'll see the same bull**** come up next year.

    Oh I know the fairytale of NY controversy is an annual thing since before Ronan Keating did his fine version of the song, just cant remember the same about Baby its cold outside


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Oh I know the fairytale of NY controversy is an annual thing since before Ronan Keating did his fine version of the song, just cant remember the same about Baby its cold outside

    Nah it's come up a few times. To be fair though, the lyrics are pretty creepy when you listen to them.

    It kinda reminds of this gem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,980 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    They should ban this McDermott lad and his stupid hair instead.

    Hadn't heard of him before this and a quick google confirmed my suspicions that he would look like a tosser.


  • Site Banned Posts: 9 Yikes!


    Heard some women talking about Baby it's cold outside in work today. They were offended, not because of the song, but because social justice puritans see women as weak and in need of protection.

    Seems to me normal women don't care. It's the blue haired lesbians and their creepy male feminist supplicants who want to do the censoring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Lads. What if, and I'm just throwing this out there, but what it, Fairytale of New York is a massively overrated song anyway?

    I mean it's certainly no Mistletoe and Wine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭neirbloom


    They should ban this McDermott lad and his stupid hair instead.

    Hadn't heard of him before this and a quick google confirmed my suspicions that he would look like a tosser.

    Never really had a problem with McDermott but he looked the type who'd be up in hysteric's over some stupid controversy such as this. Maybe he needs to watch some more South Park and spend less time on twitter with the rest of the PC brigade :pac:.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    I despise the internet at times. Recreational outrage of the emotionally incapable looking to stir up attention, comparing current societal issues too those in past decades etc .

    The use of phrases with derogatory connotations in a generic sense is simply context dependant, It my case and where i grew up it was slang used as a phrase, and only that. I could list many examples of what it was used for when responding to someone or ripping into someone etc

    I grew up using this term, Iv said it plenty of times and so have people around me. The majority of people, including myself- if not all people, would not harbor any homophobic views or exhibit any discriminatory behaviour towards the LGBTQ community. These views are not manifested during the life span to be ultimately used later in the persons life.

    The meaning of words is context dependant and words only have the power that you give them. Offence is taken, not given. Everything is taken in such a disparaging way and people are becoming offended on behalf of someone else like this chart DJ is doing. Its the intent that surrounds the use of any word or phrase. The sporadic outrage for silly things like this is not helping societal issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Sure they recycle this nonsense controversy nearly every year now.

    The song has had the word censored on pre-watershed radio for years now, but every year the usual types come out of the woodwork and start acting like it's suddenly censorship of free speech or some gibberish.

    I'm 100% sure we'll see the same bull**** come up next year.

    The recent controversy was sparked by an article criticising the lyrics.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    It was christmas eve babe


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    in the drunk tank


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    in the drunk tank

    An old man said to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    in the drunk tank

    Drunk tank is actually an offensive terms and punches down on those with substance abuse issues.

    If you could replace 'drunk tank' with 'holistic, non-judgemental recovery centre', that would be super.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    The recent controversy was sparked by an article criticising the lyrics.

    Yup, the exact same article is published year on year.

    As usual, it's nothing more than fabricated drama created by both sides of the fence.

    Left wing papers: "We need to talk about the problematic lyrics of Fairytale of New York"

    Right wing papers: "Leftists seek to censor art in Fairytale of New York"

    It's just clicks, a quick way to get people on their site to they can make money off of it.

    Here's the honest truth. The word has pretty much always been censored on day time radio, just like you'd find with any other swear word.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Todd Gack


    Which stand up comedian said he never used the word fagot(intentionally misspelled) to slate gay people, only ever when people acted like fagots? He was spot on.

    Louis CK



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    An old man said to me
    Wont see another one


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    Wont see another one

    And then he sang a song


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Wont see another one

    'See' is actually ablest as it excludes the blind. Could you do better please?
    And then he sang a song

    Likewise with those among us who are non-verbal.

    This is all very problematic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Sonics2k wrote:
    As usual, it's nothing more than fabricated drama created by both sides of the fence.

    Sonics2k wrote:
    Yup, the exact same article is published year on year.

    Except we've seen songs pulled from radio stations because a few idiots don't like it. You can dismiss it as nothing of course, after all the self-appointed moral guardians failed on this occasion. They'll come back again though, and eventually they'll get their wish. So the articles will be printed until they finally get their way, like a spoilt child.

    The people who think it's some sort of overplayed storm are the ones who want it censored. They'll want to downplay it as much as possible.

    So no, it's not a fabricated drama.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    And then he sang a song
    The rare old mountain tune


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    When I was a child that word was commonly used as a term of endearment for a mischevious child

    It came from the same word used for the small sticks used as kindling

    I always assumed that was why the word was in the song - to describe someone as immature or needing minding like a small child


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    'Babe it's cold outside', is not played on Christmas FM. Removed in 2017.

    Don't touch 'Fairytale'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    All Christmas songs should be banned - they all celebrate an event that suggests women can get pregnant without having sex.

    Such baloney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Well they can. Now with womb transfer, men can too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    All Christmas songs should be banned - they all celebrate an event that suggests women can get pregnant without having sex.

    Such baloney.

    Excellent point and we all know that Mary didn't consent either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    'be it done unto me according to thy word'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Back in 1988 oul Shane wrought a song of pure magic. When his co singer sang that line about a cheap lousy ******, she was obviously calling him a Pork meat ball. FACT! Why the feckin fuss? ******s taste great and Mr Brains makes a decent ******. Overall they taste ****.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭orourkeda1977


    Just stemming from a post in the McGregor thread. Is it just a matter of time until the above song is edited as it is now offensive? I know ronan keating covered it a few years ago and changed the word.

    Your man McDermott from 2FM says he recenty had a conversation with 2 gay male colleagues.

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/music/3482631/rte-eoghan-mcdermott-fairytale-of-new-york-censored/

    I think these people need to grow up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Holy crap! Boards has censored the word itself! Facebook got fooked over about that a few years ago. It's a brand and cooking style folks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    People can sing Njgger bit not Fagjot??? Sing about riding and shooting up birtches cribs???

    Fujck right off!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    All Christmas songs should be banned - they all celebrate an event that suggests women can get pregnant without having sex.

    Such baloney.

    Ah come on. She was begging for it!!!
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    McDermott said he asked two gay members of his team who disliked the use of the word f***** in the song by The Pogues, and that one favoured censoring it, and another didn't want to play it at all.

    1. Asked them what?....bad journalism (it is The Sun so....)

    2.....another didn't want to play it at all.
    There you go! That's the answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭John Sacrimoni


    Fàggot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    The rare old mountain tune

    don't worry its not jew ,its dew


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    mountain-jew_o_2890111.jpg
    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/music/ed-power-time-has-come-to-relocate-fairytale-of-new-york-to-that-dark-room-reserved-for-things-that-were-once-acceptable-but-no-longer-are-37606629.html

    What a condescending git.

    Also, there was 30-plus years to get offended to this extent - why only now?

    Such a disingenuous bandwagon. Same with folk who had 28 years to get offended by Apu in The Simpsons but didn't even think about it until someone said to.

    I understand gay men finding the term horrible to listen to, and wanting just the word blanked out - but it's the people who aren't gay, didn't care about the word in that song for years, and are now suddenly bothered by it who I find pathetic.

    I love too how rap with horrendously violence-glorifying and misogynistic content, while not gonna get played on the radio, is otherwise ok because it's "hip hop culture".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Wouldn't it be easier just to ban Santa Claus!

    After all it's just lies that ye're telling the children!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    Life is not all sunshine and lollipops :mad: kids nowadays can't handle crap.

    Fairytale of New York is the best Christmas song ever
    "We all could of been someone" 99% of people think this way every second


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,980 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/music/ed-power-time-has-come-to-relocate-fairytale-of-new-york-to-that-dark-room-reserved-for-things-that-were-once-acceptable-but-no-longer-are-37606629.html

    What a condescending git.

    Also, there was 30-plus years to get offended to this extent - why only now?

    Such a disingenuous bandwagon. Same with folk who had 28 years to get offended by Apu in The Simpsons but didn't even think about it until someone said to.

    I don't mind gay men finding the term horrible to listen to - but it's the people who aren't gay, didn't care about the word in that song for years, and are now suddenly bothered by it who I find pathetic.

    I love too how rap with horrendously violence-glorifying and misogynistic content, while not gonna get played on the radio, is otherwise ok because it's "hip hop culture".

    The should put this Ed Power guy, McDermott and the 2 gay lads at 2FM who don't like the song on a boat with a bottle of dirty water between them and set them adrift in The Irish sea.

    Then they won't have to listen to the song and we won't have to listen to their whinging.


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