PhD or doctorate

dar100

Hi

Will doing a doctorate over a PhD hold me back when looking to get into/progress in academia?

exaisle

dar100 wrote: »

Hi

Will doing a doctorate over a PhD hold me back when looking to get into/progress in academia?

Explain the difference please....

gozunda

dar100 wrote: »

Hi

Will doing a doctorate over a PhD hold me back when looking to get into/progress in academia?

They are the same thing. The two terms can be used interchangeably. Some institutions may refer to this level of qualifications using either descriptor depending on subject.

A PhD is generally necessary if you wish to become a lecturer / professor or undertake postgraduate research

These days you can now do a taught PhD or do one by research.

dar100

There not the same thing, a PhD is a degree by research, generally.

A professional doctorate is geared towards industry. For example the professional doctorate in clinical/counselling psychology has a very small thesis 20, 000 words where adding a new contribution to knowledge is not needed, as it's a clinical training degree. The same is true of the doctorate in education

The difference is along the lines of a taught versus a research masters

gozunda

dar100 wrote: »

There not the same thing, a PhD is a degree by research, generally.

A professional doctorate is geared towards industry. For example the professional doctorate in clinical/counselling psychology has a very small thesis 20, 000 words where adding a new contribution to knowledge is not needed, as it's a clinical training degree. The same is true of the doctorate in education

The difference is along the lines of a taught versus a research masters

Why did you bother asking if you already new the answer to your question?

I beg to disagree with your latter statement. The university of limerick for example offers both research and taught (structured) PhDs. The terms are frequently used interchangeably in academia.

See:[url]
https://www.ul.ie/graduateschool/postgraduate-research
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And yes I have a PhD ...

Oldtree

gozunda wrote: »

And yes I have a PhD ...

Prove it!

gozunda

Oldtree wrote: »

Prove it!

I already did - it's called a viva....


Something definitely off in here ...

Oldtree

gozunda wrote: »

I already did - it's called a viva....

So you are saying you passed your oral
What about the rest of it?

Peregrinus

A Ph.D. is a doctorate - a particular kind of doctorate. You can have other doctoral degrees - LL.D., D.D., Litt.D., Mus.D., D.Sc., D.Ed. etc. In general a Ph.D will be a doctorate awarded on the basis of original research and a substantial thesis but, as already pointed out, usage does vary somewhat from university to university and sometimes even between faculties or departments within a university.

As to whether a Ph.D. (of the substantial thesis kind) is more or less advantageous than another kind of doctorate, it largely depends on what the other kind of doctorate is, and on the particular academic field in which you wish to progress.

gozunda

Oldtree wrote: »

So you are saying you passed your oral
What about the rest of it?

You 'woodnt" have a clue then - try and stick to the trees. They are not as hard to understand

Tom Dunne

"A PhD is for professional scholars, a doctorate is for scholarly professionals"

I can't remember where I saw that, but it is a reasonable approximation.

dar100 wrote: »

Will doing a doctorate over a PhD hold me back when looking to get into/progress in academia?

In universities, possibly, it depends on the field. Science/Engineering typically are a little biased towards the "traditional" PhD, whereas Education and Business are receptive to all kinds, particularly the professional doctorates.

In IoT's generally the above holds true, but the stipulation for senior posts is "a level 10 qualification" - it does not differentiate between the types.

dar100 wrote: »

There not the same thing, a PhD is a degree by research, generally.

As are the professional doctorates.

dar100 wrote: »

. The same is true of the doctorate in education

It most certainly is not. For my EdD, I had to 6 x 5000 word assignments, plus a thesis of 60,000 words on a research topic that adds to the body of knowledge.

dar100

Tom Dunne wrote: »

"A PhD is for professional scholars, a doctorate is for scholarly professionals"

I can't remember where I saw that, but it is a reasonable approximation.



In universities, possibly, it depends on the field. Science/Engineering typically are a little biased towards the "traditional" PhD, whereas Education and Business are receptive to all kinds, particularly the professional doctorates.

In IoT's generally the above holds true, but the stipulation for senior posts is "a level 10 qualification" - it does not differentiate between the types.



As are the professional doctorates.



It most certainly is not. For my EdD, I had to 6 x 5000 word assignments, plus a thesis of 60,000 words on a research topic that adds to the body of knowledge.

Tom thanks for the reply, it is most helpful. I didn't mean the EdD was along the lines of the PsychD. I take it you done that in Trinity? Any feedback on the DUC EdD?

Tom Dunne

dar100 wrote: »

I take it you done that in Trinity? Any feedback on the DUC EdD?

No, I'm doing it in a UK university, even though I am based in Ireland.

I can talk in general terms about EdD programmes, but not specific courses in Ireland.

Oldtree

gozunda wrote: »

You 'woodnt" have a clue then - try and stick to the trees. They are not as hard to understand

Try and 'leaf' me alone then and get on with your studies.

Tom Dunne

Oldtree wrote: »

Try and 'leaf' me alone then and get on with your studies.

Wood you two give it a rest? We are trying to get to the root of the discussion here. Feel free to branch out on another thread.