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    #1832
    Fourier
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    More levelling up and multiclassing tomorrow. I'm off.


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    #1833
    Necro
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    Just an FYI to others, there's a WW game starting this Sunday so might be slightly quieter around here till Friday as a result....
    If you do want to know what all the talk re: Werewolf is about I still have 2 slots remaining.... just sayin'. :D


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    #1834
    OldGoat
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Just an FYI to others, there's a WW game starting this Sunday so might be slightly quieter around here till Friday as a result....
    If you do want to know what all the talk re: Werewolf is about I still have 2 slots remaining.... just sayin'. :D
    REPORTed to the forum mods for spamming. :P

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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    #1835
    Necro
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    OldGoat wrote: »
    REPORTed to the forum mods for spamming.

    :(:(:(:(:(


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    #1836
    Fourier
    Registered Users Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    Multiclassing is fairly simple. You can split your XP and spend it on another class's progression ladder.

    The limit is that you can be no more than three classes. Also Hit Die are halved. The AEC has the example of Thief/Fighter. If the character goes up a level in thief, they only get 1d4/2 extra health.

    Details are on p.24 of the AEC, but there really isn't much else.

    Note the forbidden combinations:
    Dwarf/Fighter, Halfling/Fighter, Elf/any class, Paladin/any class, Monk/any class

    Technical note: Here Dwarf/Fighter means you can't combine the Dwarf racial class with the Fighter class. However Race: Dwarf, Class: Fighter is allowed.

    I'm going to make a post now about the final class and race layouts.


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    #1837
    Banjo
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    Do you round the halfed hit die up or down?
    Is this retroactively applied to previous rolls?

    For the hybridised among us (Necro and myself) does our current state count as one class or two?

    If you choose say Magic User / cleric, do you get 2 sets of spells a day? Do you need to spend 2 hours a day learning (or 16 hours asleep!?)


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    #1838
    Necro
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    Banjo wrote: »
    Do you round the halfed hit die up or down?
    Is this retroactively applied to previous rolls?

    For the hybridised among us (Necro and myself) does our current state count as one class or two?

    If you choose say Magic User / cleric, do you get 2 sets of spells a day? Do you need to spend 2 hours a day learning (or 16 hours asleep!?)

    Two laddie. I need 1.5 times the XP of a normal dwarf to level up after level 6.... not sure if that affects you or not


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    #1839
    Fourier
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    Banjo wrote: »
    Do you round the halfed hit die up or down?
    Down, but the .5 is "stored" as it may combined with a later .5
    Is this retroactively applied to previous rolls?
    No.
    If you choose say Magic User / cleric, do you get 2 sets of spells a day? Do you need to spend 2 hours a day learning (or 16 hours asleep!?)
    Only eight hours sleep, as this is the time for both your internal magical stores to recharge (Magic-User) and a requirement of the gods (Cleric).

    Two hours to prepare. One hour to pray and another to memorise spells.

    Answer to your other question will be in the detailed post on classes and races.


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    #1840
    Banjo
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Two laddie. I need 1.5 times the XP of a normal dwarf to level up after level 6.... not sure if that affects you or not

    No idea. I suspect finding out will involve Othegre being paralysed, imminent death and then an explosion. Just a hunch :)
    Fourier wrote: »

    Answer to your other question will be in the detailed post on classes and races.

    BUT I DONT WANNA WAIT!!!


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    #1841
    OldGoat
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    Magic user / assassin. Right up my current characters street. Let me be an alchemist too and I'll poison the World - or whatever remains of it after I let it burn with magical apocryphal 'splosions.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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    #1842
    Fourier
    Registered Users Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    Just to note, when I say "Race" I'm referring to a mechanical concept from the AEC. BandyLegs is of course a Dwarf, but he has no race mechanically, just the Dwarf Class. For this reason I've given "None" as a race below. In brackets next to each class are the races who can take it. It seems like a massive list, but they're all from Labyrinth Lord officially, except for Gold Dragon that I took from a Magazine and Vampire that comes a class popular at conventions.

    Races:
    None**
    Human
    Dwarf
    Elf
    Halfling
    Gnome
    Half-Orc
    Half-Elf
    Ancient Elf**
    Ancient Human
    Deep Dwarf
    Hobbit
    Vampire**

    *None must start with one of the following classes: Dwarf, Elf, Halfling, Dragon.
    **These races have to multiclass, they don't have the choice. Vampire has Blood Magic User for free when multiclassing.

    Classes:
    Assassin (Human, Elf, Dwarf, Gnome, Half-Elf, Half-Orc, Vampire, None)
    Cleric (Human, Dwarf, Elf, Gnome, Half-Elf, Half-Orc, Vampire, None)
    Druid (Human, None)
    Fighter (Human, Dwarf, Halfling, Half-Elf, Half-Orc, None)
    Illusionist (Human, Gnome, None)
    Magic-User (Human, Elf, Half-Elf, None)
    Monk (Human, None)
    Paladin (Human, None)
    Ranger (Human, Half-Elf, None)
    Thief (Human, Dwarf, Elf, Gnome, Halfling, Half-Elf, Half-Orc, None)
    Dwarf (None)
    Dwarven Cleric (None)
    Elf (None)
    Halfling (None)
    Samurai (Human, None)
    Ninja (Human, None)
    Gold Dragon (None)
    Fighting Man (Ancient Human, Ancient Elf, Deep Dwarf, Hobbit)
    User of the Old Magic (Ancient Human, Ancient Elf)
    Cleric of the forgotten gods (Ancient Human)
    Blood Magic User (Vampire)

    Multiclassing restrictions:
    The following class combinations are not allowed.

    Dwarf/Fighter, Halfling/Fighter, Elf/any class, Paladin/any class, Monk/any class


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    #1843
    Fourier
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Two laddie. I need 1.5 times the XP of a normal dwarf to level up after level 6.... not sure if that affects you or not
    Your state is:
    Race: Vampire
    Class: (Multiclassing) Blood Magic User, Cleric

    BandyLegs is:
    Race: None
    Class: Dwarven Cleric


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    #1844
    sKeith
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    When multi-classing, can you lvl up which ever class you wish, or does your original class stay on hold until new class catches up?


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    #1845
    Necro
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    Fourier wrote: »
    Your state is:
    Race: Vampire
    Class: (Multiclassing) Blood Magic User, Cleric

    BandyLegs is:
    Race: None
    Class: Dwarven Cleric

    Can I just be of dwarven race then :P Probably not a good idea picking Elf or Halfling Dwarven Cleric...

    OOOOHHHHH

    DRAGON Dwarven Cleric. Make it happen :D


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    #1846
    sKeith
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Can I just be of dwarven race then :P Probably not a good idea picking Elf or Halfling Dwarven Cleric...

    OOOOHHHHH

    DRAGON Dwarven Cleric. Make it happen :D

    You are race 'none' , the only race that can be a dwarven cleric!

    'None' can multi-class dwarven cleric and golden dragon ;)


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    #1847
    Banjo
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Can I just be of dwarven race then :P Probably not a good idea picking Elf or Halfling Dwarven Cleric...

    OOOOHHHHH

    DRAGON Dwarven Cleric. Make it happen :D

    That would explain Citras interest in you. Because any dragons in our party as PCs are here kids...

    It also means you should be able to swing us a free train ride


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    #1848
    Fourier
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    sKeith wrote: »
    When multi-classing, can you lvl up which ever class you wish, or does your original class stay on hold until new class catches up?
    Once you multiclass, I award two (or three) sets of XP to your character, one for each class.


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    #1849
    Fourier
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Can I just be of dwarven race then :P
    I'll have a short post soon comparing:

    Race: None
    Class: Dwarven Cleric

    and

    Race: Dwarf
    Class: Cleric

    Just out of interest.


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    #1850
    Banjo
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    Fourier wrote: »
    Your state is:
    Race: Vampire
    Class: (Multiclassing) Blood Magic User, Cleric

    BandyLegs is:
    Race: None
    Class: Dwarven Cleric

    Wait, I'm already a blood magic user? Damn, I was going to multiclass as a blood magic user...

    Ok, you need to pm me my actual XP because I've been levelling up as a cleric

    (Well, not "need". I'd appreciate it if you would, as I've been cheating for months!)


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    #1851
    Fourier
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    Banjo wrote: »
    Wait, I'm already a blood magic user? Damn, I was going to multiclass as a blood magic user...
    It's the class giving you your Vampiric powers.


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    #1852
    Fourier
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    Banjo wrote: »
    Ok, you need to pm me my actual XP because I've been levelling up as a cleric
    Vampire is an unusual race. You have several weaknesses, but in return you multiclass for free.


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    #1853
    Banjo
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    Fourier wrote: »
    It's the class giving you your Vampiric powers.

    Shhhhhh! They're a secret!


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    #1854
    Necro
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    sKeith wrote: »
    You are race 'none' , the only race that can be a dwarven cleric!

    None can multi-class dwarven cleric and golden dragon ;)

    Shut up and maybe he'll forget :pac::pac::pac::pac:


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    #1855
    sKeith
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    Necrominus wrote: »
    Shut up and maybe he'll forget :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Should have put second none in quotes too.
    The race 'none' can multi-class DC + GD


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    #1856
    Necro
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    sKeith wrote: »
    Should have put second none in quotes too.
    The race 'none' can multi-class DC + GD

    Dragon Dwarven Cleric it is!! Bandylegs is the spawn of a dwarf and a dragon... this explains so much!!!


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    #1857
    Fourier
    Registered Users Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    sKeith wrote: »
    Should have put second none in quotes too.
    The race 'none' can multi-class DC + GD
    Ah, indeed. Note added. There was actually an article about this in one of the 80s issues of Dragon magazine, i.e. can 'None' multiclass


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    #1858
    Necro
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    You mean I could actually become a Dragon Dwarven Cleric??

    O. M. G.

    My dreams are coming true!!


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    #1859
    sKeith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,404 ✭✭✭✭sKeith


    Necrominus wrote: »
    You mean I could actually become a Dragon Dwarven Cleric??

    O. M. G.

    My dreams are coming true!!

    Note added to above post saying none cannot multi class.. :(
    Need to remember that if choosing golden dragon for reroll.


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    #1860
    Necro
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    Fourier wrote: »
    Ah, indeed. Note added. There was actually an article about this in one of the 80s issues of Dragon magazine, i.e. can 'None' multiclass
    sKeith wrote: »
    Note added to above post saying none cannot multi class.. :(
    Need to remember that if choosing golden dragon for reroll.

    200.gif


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    #1861
    Fourier
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    (None, Dwarven Cleric) vs (Dwarf,Cleric):

    1. (None, Dwarven Cleric) goes up to Level 20, (Dwarf,Cleric) goes to Level 8

    2. (None, Dwarven Cleric) has better saving throws

    3. (Dwarf,Cleric) can multiclass, as the Dwarf race can

    4. (Dwarf,Cleric) has access to destructive spells

    5. (Dwarf,Cleric) levels at the rate of Cleric. (None, Dwarven Cleric) levels at the rate of 1.5 x (None, Dwarf). So (None, Dwarven Cleric) is about twice as slow at leveling.


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