New Wave Feminism Requests

Wibbs

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Not sure if you're familiar with the radio journalist, Julia Hartley Brewer. It was she who very recently spoke out about Michael Fallon touching her legs inappropriately, which revelation led to his resignation as UK defence secretary. Yet JHB does not shy away from questioning and criticising a lot of feminists. In many respects, she has little time for feminism.

The underlined is the thing T. She does not self identify as a "feminist". She is a conservative by her own definition. As I said, try and find a self identifying "feminist" de jour who follows her example of looking and criticising within. Good luck in your quest. Women like Paglia don't count as both the mainstream and extremists reserve much in the way of bile for her and similar "old style feminists".

bajer101

Re., the tax free sanitory products point - toilet roll isn't tax free, yet is provided free by employers. Before you ask, I have no idea what point I am trying to highlight. Just adding factual info to a debate to help me me decide.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

The underlined is the thing T. She does not self identify as a "feminist". She is a conservative by her own definition. As I said, try and find a self identifying "feminist" de jour who follows her example of looking and criticising within. Good luck in your quest. Women like Paglia don't count as both the mainstream and extremists reserve much in the way of bile for her and similar "old style feminists".

Sure. I cited JHB as I would consider her actions in highlighting Fallon's behaviour as being inherently feminist, but you're right, she doesn't seem to consider herself to be a feminist.

And no, I can't think of any. But neither can I think of anyone in the travellers' rights movement who apportions an equal amount of their time to attacking travellers, or those in the fathers' rights movements who spend half their time criticising fathers.

I'm not sure that it is the job of advocates of any particular group to 'not be' advocates. And so, asking someone to run off and find some feminists who criticise women, or some traveller groups that criticise travellers, is a bit like asking some intern to go and fetch you a bucket of steam and a glass hammer.

bajer101

bajer101 wrote: »

Re., the tax free sanitory products point - toilet roll isn't tax free, yet is provided free by employers.

Yeah but we all use toilet roll, regardless of gender.

Most men probably don't need tampons, although they do apparently make for useful water-filters when out camping. So there's that.

B.A._Baracus

I am going to create a blog saying all matters of crazy feminist things. I mean utter-looney bin stuff. Then create the usual twitter, facebook and spread the message.
Then at the same time create an anti-feminist blog and spread the message. At some point I will have both "bloggers" arguing over social media so people can join in :pac:

I almost have it worked out:

Step 1: Make blog and post sh*te.
Step 2: Rope people in to said sh*te using Social Media
Step 3: Profit ???


I need to tinker with the plan tho :pac:

bajer101

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yeah but we all use toilet roll, regardless of gender.

Most men probably don't need tampons, although they do apparently make for useful water-filters when out camping. So there's that.

Wot? I'm a man and use razors. Argue for toilet roll to be tax free.

bajer101

bajer101 wrote: »

Wot? I'm a man and use razors.

So do women.

NinetyTwoTeam

"Pay for your porn. In particular, seek out (and pay for) porn that’s made by women, queer people, and people of color, and that’s produced ethically."

I already buy fair trade coffee, so I do my bit. And if you write a novel or make an album I'm happy to pay to enjoy a new original piece of art. But I didn't invent redtube, sister, and if you find that you can't support yourself by being the 9 millionth woman to be filmed having sex, choose another frigging career. No one's forcing you to choke on that Mandingo.

NinetyTwoTeam

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

I already buy fair trade coffee, so I do my bit. And if you write a novel or make an album I'm happy to pay to enjoy a new original piece of art. But I didn't invent redtube, sister, and if you find that you can't support yourself by being the 9 millionth woman to be filmed having sex, choose another frigging career. No one's forcing you to choke on that Mandingo.

Hand up...why do you apply different logic?

If you find that you can't support yourself by being the 9 millionth coffee grower to be paid for picking beans, choose another frigging career...

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

Hand up...why do you apply different logic?

If you find that you can't support yourself by being the 9 millionth coffee grower to be paid for picking beans, choose another frigging career...

id probably have a bit more sympathy for a 3rd or 4th generation 3rd world farmer than a first world thot who is too lazy to get a normal job

Wibbs

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sure. I cited JHB as I would consider her actions in highlighting Fallon's behaviour as being inherently feminist, but you're right, she doesn't seem to consider herself to be a feminist.

TBH I don't see why her actions require the "feminist" label.

And no, I can't think of any. But neither can I think of anyone in the travellers' rights movement who apportions an equal amount of their time to attacking travellers, or those in the fathers' rights movements who spend half their time criticising fathers.

Well on the Traveller front; that they rarely acknowledge the negatives within their community is one of the criticisms of such advocacy groups and not just by the rabid mob either. Father's rights movements can vary, from complete nutbags to more measured voices and the latter do indeed note the real issue with absentee fathers and how they don't want to be lumped in with them.

And I never, nor would never suggest any advocacy group should have some "quota" for balance, but it would be nice to see any objective view and current "feminism" has none.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

if you find that you can't support yourself by being the 9 millionth woman to be filmed having sex, choose another frigging career.

So to speak...

silverharp wrote: »

first world thot

I had to google that and I rarely google on principle(I prefer my ignorance to be honest ignorance). As for why some young wan goes into porn, it seems to have a few factors. Basic economics being one. A need for attention and/or a place to fit into another. So if you're some young woman fresh of the Greyhound bus from Backwoods County, Flyover State newly arrived in Miami or LA clutching little more than a basic high school education and a less than stable family background where the options to earn are limited to waitressing for tips and some greasy but charming bloke offers you 500 bucks a pop shot and maybe accommodation to shag on video then it starts to look attractive.

Is it any wonder our society is a shambles.. Saw this on Reddit from earlier in the year.

Cosmopolitan: Why Guys Get Turned on When You Orgasm — and Why That's a Bad Thing
Of course guys manage to make YOUR orgasm about themselves.
It's not enough that men are already having more orgasms than women. To make matters worse, a new study published in the Journal of Sex Research found — aside from deriving pleasure from their own orgasms, obviously — men also derive a specific sort of masculine pleasure from making female partners orgasm.
...
they explained why it's a bad thing for men to gain masculinity points for bringing female partners to orgasm. "One reason is that it might pressure some heterosexual men to feel like they have to 'give' women orgasms, as if orgasm is something men pulled out of a hat and presented to women," they wrote. "This ties into cultural ideas of women as passive recipients of whatever men give them."


I showed it to my girlfriend and she thought it was hilarious. Then I apologised for mansplaining the article so she didn't have to read it all.

Akrasia

Most important womens issues today are
Forced marriage (often children being forced to marry)
FGM
Access to education
Religious oppression
Sexual slavery
Domestic violence
Reproductive rights
Maternal health (800 women die every day from treatable complications with pregnancy)
Legal gender equality

This 'feminist' doesn't have any empathy for the couple of billion women in this world who have very just cause to be feminists

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

Most important womens issues today are
Forced marriage (often children being forced to marry)
FGM
Access to education
Religious oppression
Sexual slavery
Domestic violence
Reproductive rights
Maternal health (800 women die every day from treatable complications with pregnancy)
Legal gender equality

This 'feminist' doesn't have any empathy for the couple of billion women in this world who have very just cause to be feminists

‘Manspreading’is far worse than what you’ve listed to these 4th wave nut jobs

Permabear

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Ubbquittious

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it any wonder our society is a shambles.. Saw this on Reddit from earlier in the year.

Cosmopolitan: Why Guys Get Turned on When You Orgasm — and Why That's a Bad Thing
Of course guys manage to make YOUR orgasm about themselves.
It's not enough that men are already having more orgasms than women. To make matters worse, a new study published in the Journal of Sex Research found — aside from deriving pleasure from their own orgasms, obviously — men also derive a specific sort of masculine pleasure from making female partners orgasm.
...
they explained why it's a bad thing for men to gain masculinity points for bringing female partners to orgasm. "One reason is that it might pressure some heterosexual men to feel like they have to 'give' women orgasms, as if orgasm is something men pulled out of a hat and presented to women," they wrote. "This ties into cultural ideas of women as passive recipients of whatever men give them."


I showed it to my girlfriend and she thought it was hilarious. Then I apologised for mansplaining the article so she didn't have to read it all.

Lord save us and guard us. What in the almighty fuuk is wrong with these people that they can't just enjoy an auld shag for what it is?

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

This 'feminist' doesn't have any empathy for the couple of billion women in this world who have very just cause to be feminists

Ban all domestic homeless charities and helpers then - how dare they talk about anything when there are children starving in africa.
How dare anyone complain about anything when someone somewhere out there has it worse. For shame

Wibbs

bluewolf wrote: »

How dare anyone complain about anything when someone somewhere out there has it worse. For shame

Actually a large healthy dose of perspective could do wonders for a helluva lot of people in the first world.

midlandsmissus

greencap wrote: »

Feminists are fcking loons.

You do know men have much more rights around the world dont you? Why should it stay like this? As one man said :either be a feminist or be an asshole

Wibbs

Permabear wrote: »

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One might think, but not so much. A very common thread among current "feminism" is the hunt for a "daddy figure" of sorts. Something that protects them and keeps them from whatever perceived harm they see. A social safety net. It takes different forms; government, university faculties, HR departments, "safe" dogma, the like minded reinforcing group, even extension of adolescence without personal responsibility. It's the very antithesis of independence and autonomy.

One could argue that "feminism" of today needs the "patriarchy" both as the boogyman to tilt at and relying on it as a safety net. And it does work like that. Educated White Western women as a demographic are more socially protected than pretty much any other demographic one cares to mention(children being first) and the largest demographic within current "feminism". It is a plain and demonstrable fact that the average say Irish women will live longer, be healthier, be more educated, have more medical research dedicated to them, have more social support avenues, lower rates of suicide, drug abuse, homelessness than the average Irish man.

midlandsmissus

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/will-take-217-years-close-gender-gap-need-know/amp/

Economic studies have shown that it will take over 200 years before men and women are equal economically and politically.

I was trying to think of the scenario the other way round: if men were kept down from economic and political positions by women I would know I was being an asshole, that I was enjoying life at someone else's expense!

When you have power over someone else, you are only gaining power by making that person suffer.

Sometimes Im still gobsmacked that some men can't see this in the 21st century.

We have had masses of yazidi women held as sex slaves recently,
We have masses of women wih zero rights in he middle east,
We have an 80% male government in Ireland.

Are we a barbaric world that constantly needs power by keeping someone else down, or are we going to see that everyone can flourish equally, are we going to progress. Its 2017!

Wibbs

midlandsmissus wrote: »

You do know men have much more rights around the world dont you?

You don't live "around the world", you live as an educated western woman and because you are such you have more "rights" and social support than the men around you. Again these are demonstrable facts. Now I know subjective feels seem to trump objective facts these days, but facts they are.

Why should it stay like this? As one man said :either be a feminist or be an asshole

Or how about be neither, back away from the Them Versus Us binary ballsology and be an egalitarian. Though be warned that path doesn't automatically hand out privilege just because you're of a certain demographic.

midlandsmissus

Wibbs wrote: »

You don't live "around the world", you live as an educated western woman and because you are such you have more "rights" and social support than the men around you. Again these are demonstrable facts. Now I know subjective feels seem to trump objective facts these days, but facts they are. Or how about be neither, back away from the Them Versus Us binary ballsology and be an egalitarian. Though be warned that path doesn't automatically hand out privilege just because you're of a certain demographic.

Wibbs, assume about someone on the internet at your own peril. I have 'lived around the world'. I spent much of my twenties working and volunteering in countries, specifically in the area of women's rights.

Wibbs

midlandsmissus wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/will-take-217-years-close-gender-gap-need-know/amp/

Economic studies have shown that it will take over 200 years before men and women are equal economically and politically.

Again around the world. Pity you didn't read enough of that article beyond the headline to see that Ireland, the country you've regularly slated(well Irish men anyway) has one of the highest gender parities in the world. Wouldn't suit the victim complex so much though.

Are we a barbaric world

Nope, we're not. You live in a time and place that has never been so prosperous and safe and awards more prosperity and safety to women.

Wibbs

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Wibbs, assume about someone on the internet at your own peril. I have 'lived around the world'. I spent much of my twenties working and volunteering in countries, specifically in the area of women's rights.

You are an educated western woman(likely white) living the vast majority of your life in a western liberal culture with social safety nets that women and men beyond those shores can only dream of.

midlandsmissus

Wibbs wrote: »

You are an educated western woman(likely white) living the vast majority of your life in a western liberal culture with social safety nets that women and men beyond those shores can only dream of.

I know we have many freedoms on this island. I'm not disputing that. Ireland is one of the better places for a woman to live.
But I also think of the world as a larger picture, and I have done my best in my twenties to help women in developing countries.
I used my ability as a western woman with the ability to travel to help women in other countries, and I will still do more.
It just annoys me that these threads are always started on boards: 'feminist sh×te, etc ' what's the point of them.
If you want to help men help men, stop tearing down women. You never see threads on here like 'a man said this ****e' it seems very immature and counterproductive to me.

indioblack

Pat Mustard wrote: »

From the article:



She is talking about a friend of hers who has not sexually assaulted people, as far as she knows. This is a good dude. Honest injuns.

The phrase "swivel-eyed loon" comes to mind.

I always get uncomfortable when I read the word "internalize".
As the woman said to Sir Les Paterson, "You're invading my personal space" - to which he replied, "That's what I'm trying to do, darling".

Akrasia

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I know we have many freedoms on this island. I'm not disputing that. Ireland is one of the better places for a woman to live.
But I also think of the world as a larger picture, and I have done my best in my twenties to help women in developing countries.
I used my ability as a western woman with the ability to travel to help women in other countries, and I will still do more.
It just annoys me that these threads are always started on boards: 'feminist she, etc ' what's the point of them.
If you want to help men help men, stop tearing down women. You never see threads on here like 'a man said this ****e' it seems very immature and counterproductive to me.

I think there was a fairly long thread about George Hook recently

WHIP IT!

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Did someone here compare the "struggle" for free fanny pads to that of the Civil Rights movement?? :-O

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I said that whites who tried to give some support to the civil rights movement, were often accepted as holding legitimate political opinions, although they were sometimes dismissed as 'n*gger lovers'.

I just tried to compare that to a different situation today, where men (and I stress, I'm not trying to make out that we're victims, in any way) are ridiculed for trying to support women in their various arguments for equality. The standard approach is to dismiss us as homosexuals, or cucks, or trying to sneak our way into a woman's knickers.

So, to sum up... Yes. Yes, you did...

Way to reach new levels of 'eloquently put' delusion...

Ulysses Gaze

greencap wrote: »

Feminists are fcking loons.

No. Some Third and Fourth Wave Feminists are bat**** crazy loons.....

gw80

midlandsmissus wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/will-take-217-years-close-gender-gap-need-know/amp/

Economic studies have shown that it will take over 200 years before men and women are equal economically and politically.

I was trying to think of the scenario the other way round: if men were kept down from economic and political positions by women I would know I was being an asshole, that I was enjoying life at someone else's expense!

When you have power over someone else, you are only gaining power by making that person suffer.

Sometimes Im still gobsmacked that some men can't see this in the 21st century.

We have had masses of yazidi women held as sex slaves recently,
We have masses of women wih zero rights in he middle east,
We have an 80% male government in Ireland.

Are we a barbaric world that constantly needs power by keeping someone else down, or are we going to see that everyone can flourish equally, are we going to progress. Its 2017!

Just on your point about the yazidi women,
What do you think happened to the yazidi men and boys,

If they were lucky they were lined up and shot.

Wibbs

gw80 wrote: »

Just on your point about the yazidi women,
What do you think happened to the yazidi men and boys,

If they were lucky they were lined up and shot.

Indeed, something completely missing from the media and "feminist" discourse. Even more illustrated by the girls taken hostage by Boku Haram. Every right on media and political type and Facebook "activist" was peddling the "bring our girls home" memes, yet utterly ignored the fact that the boys at the same school were herded into the classrooms and burnt to death. Or the fact that in the initial raids again the boys and men were slaughtered but the girls were sent home to be good little Muslim women. Boko Haram copped on to this western bias which basically means that kidnap or harm women and the west loses its sh1t and will take notice, kidnap or harm men and it barely gets a mention(and when it does they're regularly described as "people"). Men are essentially invisible or expendable. So if you're a terrorist or hijacker and they ask you to at least release the women and kids, release the men and kids instead. They'll actually listen to you then and are also less likely to storm the place.

The_Valeyard

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed, something completely missing from the media and "feminist" discourse. Even more illustrated by the girls taken hostage by Boku Haram. Every right on media and political type and Facebook "activist" was peddling the "bring our girls home" memes, yet utterly ignored the fact that the boys at the same school were herded into the classrooms and burnt to death. Or the fact that in the initial raids again the boys and men were slaughtered but the girls were sent home to be good little Muslim women. Boko Haram copped on to this western bias which basically means that kidnap or harm women and the west loses its sh1t and will take notice, kidnap or harm men and it barely gets a mention(and when it does they're regularly described as "people"). Men are essentially invisible or expendable. So if you're a terrorist or hijacker and they ask you to at least release the women and kids, release the men and kids instead. They'll actually listen to you then and are also less likely to storm the place.

Dude,
Give up,
Game Over,
The planet is F*cked.

One eyed Jack

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I know we have many freedoms on this island. I'm not disputing that. Ireland is one of the better places for a woman to live.
But I also think of the world as a larger picture, and I have done my best in my twenties to help women in developing countries.
I used my ability as a western woman with the ability to travel to help women in other countries, and I will still do more.
It just annoys me that these threads are always started on boards: 'feminist sh×te, etc ' what's the point of them.
If you want to help men help men, stop tearing down women. You never see threads on here like 'a man said this ****e' it seems very immature and counterproductive to me.

It annoys me that there are people in this world who perpetuate the idea that men are a threat to women and young girls because of the actions of a minority of men. The behaviour of that minority of men also annoys me, but knowing that the vast majority of either men or women aren't like that means whether it's a man or a woman that comes out with that stuff their sex makes no difference. I'm arguing against their ideas as an individual, which they are solely responsible for putting out there.

pjohnson

midlandsmissus wrote: »

We have an 80% male government in Ireland.

This amuses me. Are only males voting or something? Women are allowed vote you know? And women are allowed run in elections?

The population picks the government. Is it the males fault if the female voters decide to vote for men which they clearly do? People tend to pick whoever they believe in. Not by their genitals. We've a democracy not a monarchy or anything where the people have no say. The Irish population has a say and pick thier own government. Not much conspiracy.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

midlandsmissus wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/will-take-217-years-close-gender-gap-need-know/amp/

Economic studies have shown that it will take over 200 years before men and women are equal economically and politically.

I was trying to think of the scenario the other way round: if men were kept down from economic and political positions by women I would know I was being an asshole, that I was enjoying life at someone else's expense!

When you have power over someone else, you are only gaining power by making that person suffer.

Sometimes Im still gobsmacked that some men can't see this in the 21st century.
!

I'm gobsmacked that women can't see it and refuse to run in elections or vote for other women in order to make an attempt to redress the balance....

.... and then blame men.

cantdecide

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... and then blame men.

Or it could be women voting for their preferential candidates rather than getting involved with identity politics or simply voting for someone who doesn't represent them just because of their similar genitalia.

Ulysses Gaze

cantdecide wrote: »

Or it could be women voting for their preferential candidates rather than getting involved with identity politics or simply voting for someone who doesn't represent them just because of their similar genitalia.

Shocking right? Women who can think for themselves and not as part of a hive mind.

Who'd have thunk it....

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

cantdecide wrote: »

Or it could be women voting for their preferential candidates rather than getting involved with identity politics or simply voting for someone who doesn't represent them just because of their similar genitalia.

Exactly - and so the gender imbalance would appear to be caused by democracy in action and not prejudice or oppression.

Buford T. Justice XIX

gw80 wrote: »

Just on your point about the yazidi women,
What do you think happened to the yazidi men and boys,

If they were lucky they were lined up and shot.

Damned patriarchy *shakes fist*

#endpatriarchynow

Omackeral

midlandsmissus wrote: »

We have an 80% male government in Ireland.

pjohnson wrote: »

This amuses me. Are only males voting or something? Women are allowed vote you know? And women are allowed run in elections?

Gas isn't it. First of all, gender quotas are absolute bollocks. Secondly, women in this country have had the vote a lot longer than many nations around the world. Think it's coming up to 100 years now. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabian women were are only allowed to drive this year. The plight of the Irish cailin huh?

Prune Tracy

One of the numerous things that bothers me about this fanaticism is that it gives such ammunition to misogynists. As well as being damaging to men and boys (the obvious demonisation), it's damaging to women and girls too. Most guys will be sensible and not view this as representative of all women or all feminists, but to a young, impressionable lad, or a man who has no confidence and has never had any luck with the ladies... this sh1t is like a recruitment tool for those online woman-hating groups.

It's also a self fulfilling prophecy - it bemoans conflict between the sexes where there is none, or none worth getting bothered by... thus creating said conflict.

Prune Tracy

Prune Tracy wrote: »

it bemoans conflict between the sexes where there is none, or none worth getting bothered by... thus creating said conflict.

As determined by men, I suppose?




It's interesting the amount of righteous victim blaming that went on with weinstein's victims, I haven't seen any about spacey's. I suppose the former are just stupid western women who should shut up.

Wibbs

bluewolf wrote: »

It's interesting the amount of righteous victim blaming that went on with weinstein's victims, I haven't seen any about spacey's. I suppose the former are just stupid western women who should shut up.

Perfect example of having the blinkers on. There has been "victim blaming" in Spacey's victims. Including on Boards.

Sonics2k

bluewolf wrote: »

As determined by men, I suppose?




It's interesting the amount of righteous victim blaming that went on with weinstein's victims, I haven't seen any about spacey's. I suppose the former are just stupid western women who should shut up.

Ah come on Bluewolf, Hamlet on this very thread was blaming the 14 year old Anthony Rapp. There has been loads of victim blaming at him too, across the internet and a cursory glance at any Facebook page sharing an article about this situation shows it.

This whole topic of sexual abuse shouldn't be turned into an 'Us vs Them' situation.

take everything

Akrasia wrote: »

Most important womens issues today are
Forced marriage (often children being forced to marry)
FGM
Access to education
Religious oppression
Sexual slavery
Domestic violence
Reproductive rights
Maternal health (800 women die every day from treatable complications with pregnancy)
Legal gender equality

This 'feminist' doesn't have any empathy for the couple of billion women in this world who have very just cause to be feminists

Absolutely.
Feminism has been corrupted (as any movement becomes corrupted) by narcissism and selfishness.
Sad really.

take everything

Wibbs killing it as usual in this thread.
Too much truth, Wibbs.
Those feelz are getting hurt.

Wibbs

Sonics2k wrote: »

Ah come on Bluewolf, Hamlet on this very thread was blaming the 14 year old Anthony Rapp. There has been loads of victim blaming at him too, across the internet and a cursory glance at any Facebook page sharing an article about this situation shows it.

Even more puzzling considering the posts rightfully condemning the blaming of Spacey's victims were thanked by the same poster yesterday.

Seeing victim blaming when it suits;



and when it doesn't;

This whole topic of sexual abuse shouldn't be turned into an 'Us vs Them' situation.

Good luck with that. Egalitarianism has been hijacked by the polarisation of idiots on all sides. I've a pain in my ring with it TBH.

wakka12

bluewolf wrote: »

As determined by men, I suppose?




It's interesting the amount of righteous victim blaming that went on with weinstein's victims, I haven't seen any about spacey's. I suppose the former are just stupid western women who should shut up.

Because the spacey 'victim' was 14, not because of a sexist thing

B0jangles

Wibbs wrote: »

Even more puzzling considering the posts rightfully condemning the blaming of Spacey's victims were thanked by the same poster yesterday.

Seeing victim blaming when it suits;



and when it doesn't;



Good luck with that. Egalitarianism has been hijacked by the polarisation of idiots on all sides. I've a pain in my ring with it TBH.

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