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Millerstown Kilcock New Development
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Have been following this with plenty of popcorndjbulldogg1983 wrote: »The FRAMS is the guidance document.
I wouldn’t share it here because people are not qualified enough to understand it.
But if people would like to know where to get it and have it explained to them then they can request it from Meath CoCo.
I have taken some extracts to explain certain issues in dispute on this forum.
I’m not hiding anything, I’ve no ties to this except for a close family member bought here and asked me to investigate. It was obviously without prejudice because I do not claim to be an expert in flooding.
But I talked her through the FRAMS and explained the basics of the document.
That was free to her obviously but I certainly wouldn’t just hand it to some people here, they can do that themselves.
I owe nobody in this forum any favors.
I have explained where to get this, I am hiding nothing nor do I need to hide anything.
People can make up their own minds who is being more detailed.
Most of the posters are making assumptions.
If you want the facts go get the FRAMS
I get that the FRAMS is the guidance document, but is the issue now that the developer and Meath Co Co are at odds over who is ultimately responsible for carrying out certain flood management works?
I do think you are being unfair on the "most of the posters are making assumptions" piece.
I've seen the brochures for this development and I didnt notice anything about the recreational areas they mention being used as a flood storage area or a flood attenuation pond.
This thread or maybe it was the other similar one suggested that people who were actively trying to buy were finding it hard to get this information from those building/selling it.
In my opinion the developer and agent should have been much more upfront with this info.
People in Ireland arent very used to new developments having purposely built recreational areas, landscaped with trees, paths and street lights that are meant to flood.
It's fair enough that you say people can get their own info, like the FRAMS. That guidance doc may bear no resemblance to what has now been put in place. Who's responsible for making sure this development gets built as per guidelines?
The two main parties are still trying to find this out after people have moved in.
To note;
I also dont think the houses will flood.
I believe that those who were interested in this development did not expect it to flood as much as it did. For me, this was due to how the develpment was advertised.
If those areas had been advertised as flood stoage areas or informed as such as soon as the flooding was visible, there would have been much less "assumptions" from the general public.
It looks like a "lets figure this out as we go".0 -
Reg_hurley wrote: »Have been following this with plenty of popcorn
I get that the FRAMS is the guidance document, but is the issue now that the developer and Meath Co Co are at odds over who is ultimately responsible for carrying out certain flood management works?
I do think you are being unfair on the "most of the posters are making assumptions" piece.
I've seen the brochures for this development and I didnt notice anything about the recreational areas they mention being used as a flood storage area or a flood attenuation pond.
This thread or maybe it was the other similar one suggested that people who were actively trying to buy were finding it hard to get this information from those building/selling it.
In my opinion the developer and agent should have been much more upfront with this info.
People in Ireland arent very used to new developments having purposely built recreational areas, landscaped with trees, paths and street lights that are meant to flood.
It's fair enough that you say people can get their own info, like the FRAMS. That guidance doc may bear no resemblance to what has now been put in place. Who's responsible for making sure this development gets built as per guidelines?
The two main parties are still trying to find this out after people have moved in.
To note;
I also dont think the houses will flood.
I believe that those who were interested in this development did not expect it to flood as much as it did. For me, this was due to how the develpment was advertised.
If those areas had been advertised as flood stoage areas or informed as such as soon as the flooding was visible, there would have been much less "assumptions" from the general public.
It looks like a "lets figure this out as we go".
Agreed with all you say.
The only way to find out if it is installed as per FRAMS is via final sign-off on the estate.
So nobody has the answer to that yet.
But if it was found that they didn’t, they would be forced to do so.
From the info I was given, Zone A-D (boycetown down to bridge at Rye River Cafe) were part of sign off.
Developer argued that this was not their land so how could they carry out those works.
Meath CoCo said no sign-off until it’s done.
Developer has conceded and all the works done throughout the summer were to meet this requirement.
We will soon find out if this is accepted and developer has met the FRAMS requirements.0 -
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I was asked to look over the planning documents and help her to understand the information and the engineers reports etc.
As I said it was without prejudice and there was no obligation for them to buy the property.
Did I say that there were easier and less complicated houses to buy and that this maybe wouldn’t be worth all the hassle, yes I did. In fact, I recommended those new houses at Ryebridge which were going for €15k cheaper!
But they loved the house and all they wanted to know was if what they were telling her matched what the was outlined in the planning documents ..
They had told her the houses were built 600mm above the 1/1000 AEP, this was true.
They told her it was based on the FRAMS report which was an independent document created by a steering group of Meath CoCo, Kildare CoCo etc. this was true.
They told her that numerous tests such as LIDDAR and detailed BIM flood modeling were carried out, which is above the norm for most flood assessments. This was true.
In fact there wasn’t anything I could find which proved them to be liars. So that’s what I told her.
Her and the hubby made their own decision from there.
Since then some other neighbors had independent engineers do an assessment of site levels etc and that also proved to be true.
Are they squeaky clean? I’m sure they’re not, most construction people have a tendency to blag here and there.
But in a general sense the information they passed on seemed to correlate with the info in the planning docs.
I’m not in the business of advising on such things, I’m in the industry but I’m not a planning adjudicator.. I merely assessed documents that I can understand better than she could and found nothing untoward.
I had a friend who bought a 2 bed apartment in Clane back in the boom where he paid €300k and also something like €20k stamp duty on a 100% mortgage paying ridiculous interest. Place is probably still only worth €180k now 10 years later.
So there are much worse stories out there.
Each to their own buddy.
Must be good being so clever on Boards.
You’re so intelligent and insightful
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And some of my timings were actually right.
I just checked ...
33 min from westfield to Leixlip village walking.
And 20 mins to the train station.
I actually underestimated how long it would take, silly me
Guess you lads were right, I can’t be trusted to estimate time and distance :P0 -
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djbulldogg1983 wrote: »Last post from me!
Best of luck to all the residents of Millerstown. I hope it gets sorted for you all soon.
Ignore the idiots in here calling you “suckers” sitting behind a computer from their more than likely rented apartment over a chipper.
Keep the pressure on the Developer, the CoCo and the TD’s and hopefully it will be resolved sooner or later.
Decent families who just wanted to buy a home for their future!
Alot of the posters in this forum Ought to be ashamed of themelves, but they won’t be.. so ignore them!
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djbulldogg1983 wrote: »And sorry I was out by a minute with Millerstown to Maynooth in a car.
96 posts between two usernames ALL of them about Millerstown. Previously a resident but not anymore hmmmmmmmm
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marieholmfan wrote: »96 posts between two usernames ALL of them about Millerstown. Previously a resident but not anymore hmmmmmmmm :~)
Kilcock is the murder capital of Ireland...
this is the person making those claims.
Won’t even waste my breath on you!0 -
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