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I'll repeat the question on the flood information you sent on, when was this submitted? Again the front park in the original and pre-Nov 2017 submitted plans had no mention of it being an attenuation pond or of it being used in any way for flooding. So is this information you shared new information that has come since then?
It's coming across to me that you are trying to muddy the waters on a lot of points and on timelines in this thread. In the house prices you take some of the more expensive houses in Celbridge/Leixlip today (after many months of increases) comparing to houses a year ago. You later in this thread then just lump Maynooth in the 450k bracket with no evidence. Here are the actual numbers which don't back up your point
2017-today: New builds Kilcock
2017-today: New builds Maynooth
2017-today: New builds Celbridge
2017-today: New builds Leixlip
You have put in some great information and explanations in here about flood preventions in general in this thread so cheers for that, they are very interesting but you are coming across to me as a one sided PR machine for Millerstown. Any valid criticism of the development that is not focused on the CoCo you deflect, ignore or try to undermine.
Splitting hairs
posting with actual figures and facts instead of random numbers that suit your argument 
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Quite an unusual question, are you saying that if you have a park down as a Class 1 park in your planning application you can (without reference to it in the planning application) also plan to have it as an open attenuation pond without telling the council or people living there?
If djbulldogg1983 can find references in the planning to support that it was planned as an attenuation pond or flood protection to the level of water seen in Nov, then I'll happily stand corrected. However, when I and others looked we couldn't find any in the planning. You have been asked many times to provide some evidence of your claims around the attenuation pond and have furnished none. Up until today the best you have done so far is a quote from the engineers which I'm not sure you ever gave a verifiable source for. The link you sent today shows some serious work done to the river alright but that was never in question. It was whether what was done was enough and the floods in Nov understandably raised alot of doubt.
Itzme, see attached from the FRAMS which shows the flood storage area was always part of the model and the design.
This was issued as part of planning and the FRAMS was the document references by An Bord Pleanala in condition 3 (a) flooding: as the guiding document for compliance.
There’s your proof in turquoise blue hatch markings of all things
That dark blue squiggle is the Rye River. The turquoise hatched area is the flood storage/ attenuation strip/ I told you so zone for all the naysayers...
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Splitting hairs posting with actual figures and facts instead of random numbers that suit your argument
Here’s some facts for you.
Flood storage area in blue hatched area.
Rye River little dark navy squiggle.
All as planned in the FRAMS.
As for house prices I know I’m right.
Kilcock are €50k less sq/ft for sq/ft with Celbridge or Maynooth prices0 -
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Millerstown to Roundabout at Maynooth college is 3-4min drive.How long is the walk from Millerstown to the village/train and how long is the drive to Maynooth... these are your facts that I disputed :pac:
The flood prevention measures are fine, assuming they all work as planned. Would I buy a house beside a potential flood risk? No (we viewed a house last year located on a 1/100 chance of flooding site, those odds were too short for me) but that is just me being cautious. Would I like my child playing on a green area that runs into a river? No.. again, cautious.
I cannot understand your interest in the thread on this. You joined a site just to defend a development you have no interest in. I don't think anyone here is actively bad mouthing the development, most people are just posting their personal opinions "I would not buy a house here". The development will sell out either way.
I have done it on numerous occasions. Front of Millerstown to the bridge is 5 minutes if you walk like a turtle.
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Thanks for the info again.djbulldogg1983 wrote: »Quite an unusual question, are you saying that if you have a park down as a Class 1 park in your planning application you can (without reference to it in the planning application) also plan to have it as an open attenuation pond without telling the council or people living there?
If djbulldogg1983 can find references in the planning to support that it was planned as an attenuation pond or flood protection to the level of water seen in Nov, then I'll happily stand corrected. However, when I and others looked we couldn't find any in the planning. You have been asked many times to provide some evidence of your claims around the attenuation pond and have furnished none. Up until today the best you have done so far is a quote from the engineers which I'm not sure you ever gave a verifiable source for. The link you sent today shows some serious work done to the river alright but that was never in question. It was whether what was done was enough and the floods in Nov understandably raised alot of doubt.
Itzme, see attached from the FRAMS which shows the flood storage area was always part of the model and the design.
This was issued as part of planning and the FRAMS was the document references by An Bord Pleanala in condition 3 (a) flooding: as the guiding document for compliance.
There’s your proof in turquoise blue hatch markings of all things
That dark blue squiggle is the Rye River. The turquoise hatched area is the flood storage/ attenuation strip/ I told you so zone for all the naysayers...
Drops the mic 🎀
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=457731&d=1533671672
What is the difference between flood storage and floodplain? A cursory look at google tells me that storage is underground for example the underground attenuation tanks. Floodplain would have to be on the surface such as any "planned" attenuation ponds. So for the flooding of the front park in Nov to fit the FRAMS, the front park would have be marked as floodplain not storage.
It seems to be tricky to overlay that map onto the development, so if I am wrong here apologies but it would seem to me that the front park area of the estate is labelled as flood storage. I've got this from looking at the map on the developers site http://millerstown.ie/houses/ Do you agree? If that is true does that not in fact demonstrate that the front park was not planned as any type of flood attenuation/flood plain? The difference of opinion in this thread was not over whether the front park was meant to have attenuation tanks under the front park but whether the surface of the front park was meant to flood particularly to the level it did in Nov.0 -
smelly sock wrote: »Agreed. And all of that points to the fact the location should never have been allowed for residential use.
Because significant works were completed the properties shouldn't have been built
Based on your opinion a large proportion of Holland should not be occupied, vast numbers of villas and hotels in Dubai should not exists, large parts of Hong Kong/Singapore shouldn't be used, nor should many of the worlds largest ports and airports.
Land reclamation and flood prevention works aren't magic, there's some fairly significant engineering going on. I struggle to see why some people find that so hard to understand.0 -
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djbulldogg1983 wrote: »Millerstown to Roundabout at Maynooth college is 3-4min drive.
I have done it on numerous occasions. Front of Millerstown to the bridge is 5 minutes if you walk like a turtle.
Jokers in this place
From the roundabout? You should enter the olympics. Google maps says it is 950m. That is 5:15/km pace which is what your average jogger would be happy to run at.
Only one joker here, you with your bull**** made up numbers.0 -
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Thanks for the info again.
What is the difference between flood storage and floodplain? A cursory look at google tells me that storage is underground for example the underground attenuation tanks. Floodplain would have to be on the surface such as any "planned" attenuation ponds. So for the flooding of the front park in Nov to fit the FRAMS, the front park would have be marked as floodplain not storage.
It seems to be tricky to overlay that map onto the development, so if I am wrong here apologies but it would seem to me that the front park area of the estate is labelled as flood storage. I've got this from looking at the map on the developers site http://millerstown.ie/houses/ Do you agree? If that is true does that not in fact demonstrate that the front park was not planned as any type of flood attenuation/flood plain? The difference of opinion in this thread was not over whether the front park was meant to have attenuation tanks under the front park but whether the surface of the front park was meant to flood particularly to the level it did in Nov.
Have a look at the planned reprofiling of the river and the reprofiling of the channel. Again this is from the FRAMS report which the planning permission is based on.
Flood storage in this instance refers to containment of water in heavy rain.
Not an actual storage tank.
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djbulldogg1983 wrote: »Have a look at the planned reprofiling of the river and the reprofiling of the channel. Again this is from the FRAMS report which the planning permission is based on.
Flood storage in this instance refers to containment of water in heavy rain.
Not an actual storage tank.
Drops mic again, getting very quiet in here everybody????
Containment of water where?0 -
LMAO
Wow.
The two lads are getting a great laugh at the difference in a few minutes
Nothing to say on the FRAMS extracts that’s i have shared which shows that the builder planned the green area to accommodate water in floods?
No comment on the fact that Meath CoCo have signed off on the estate just not on the lands upstream?
No comment on Ryebridge houses also being stupid money (and nowhere near as well built or designed) and being even further away from the village?
Millerstown is probably the closest estate to the village of Kilcock so either way it’s better than most.
I don’t care how long it takes to walk, I don’t have to walk it
But latch onto to your little victory there lads
It takes 10 mins to walk to the village and 5 mins to drive to Maynooth.. wipe dee doo you really showed me up there 0 -
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djbulldogg1983 wrote: »Wow.
The two lads are getting a great laugh at the difference in a few minutes
Nothing to say on the FRAMS extracts that’s i have shared which shows that the builder planned the green area to accommodate water in floods?
No comment on the fact that Meath CoCo have signed off on the estate just not on the lands upstream?
No comment on Ryebridge houses also being stupid money (and nowhere near as well built or designed) and being even further away from the village?
Millerstown is probably the closest estate to the village of Kilcock so either way it’s better than most.
I don’t care how long it takes to walk, I don’t have to walk it
But latch onto to your little victory there lads
It takes 10 mins to walk to the village and 5 mins to drive to Maynooth.. wipe dee doo you really showed me up there
You have so much of a bias towards Millerstown it's scary.
I agree with you that the market is crazy and this is reflected in Millerstown. Hopefully the residents wont experience any difficulties. I'd hate to see that happening to anyone.
At the end of the day though the field which they built in flooded badly during most periods of heavy rainfall. Thats why i and a lot of other posters wouldnt risk handing over nigh on half a million quid for a house there. If the green area/park / recreatiinal space floods then posters concerns will be vindicated.0 -
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