Help me decide

Macker

Hi all
My ioniq is waiting for me at the dealers but I decided to wait for a 181 reg, though I might be able to wangle a free charger if the car was paid for but the ESB won't give a charger to a 181 car, should I wait and buy a charger, anything from 600 to 900 euro or take it now and a free charger, would I get away with the granny charger till I can pick up a second hand charger an find a sparks to fit it like a guy in another post, only cost 280,i work right beside a fast charger so I could pop down on my break or before it opens if they leave it on. My commute is about 70 km round trip.
Is there much difference between a 181 or a 172 reg, I usually keep my cars for four years or more years . Thanks for reading.

I doubt there would be much difference.

Anyway, the charge point will quickly pay for itself. Don't get too hung up on free charger. ESB only give you 3.5 Kw charger anyway.

goz83

Ignoring the charge point, it’s nuts to leave a waiting car for 2 months all for the sake of a newer registration plate. I’ve never understood plate snobbery. Pick up the car and enjoy it man.

Macker

goz83 wrote: »

Ignoring the charge point, it’s nuts to leave a waiting car for 2 months all for the sake of a newer registration plate. I’ve never understood plate snobbery. Pick up the car and enjoy it man.

Ah it's not plate snobbery, this is my first new car after 30 years driving, it's the resale or trade in value, that's why I asked was there much difference?

goz83

Macker wrote: »

Ah it's not plate snobbery, this is my first new car after 30 years driving, it's the resale or trade in value, that's why I asked was there much difference?

I would suspect there would be little difference and no difference when you add in the free charger and the joy of having the car for Christmas. I would avoid January registrations like the plague. That’s when most people are taxing, or insuring their cars, or running them through the nct. I like the easy life

Macker

goz83 wrote: »

I would suspect there would be little difference and no difference when you add in the free charger and the joy of having the car for Christmas. I would avoid January registrations like the plague. That’s when most people are taxing, or insuring their cars, or running them through the nct. I like the easy life

You make very good point but Hyundai are offering a 5 year health check, don't know if that counts as a service and 5 years AA roadside assistance for cars registered in Jan 18 , is that worth waiting for, the car I have now is a comphy one so that's not an issue

peposhi

I would not be bothered about the free charger from ESB. For the iOniq you’d have to get a 6.6kw home charger to get your car quickly charged overnight (or day) rather than having to wait 10-12 hours charging time for an empty battery with the 3.3kw ESB charger.
Option 1 - get the car now, sell the ESB charger and get a 6.6kw one.
Option 2 - wait for 181 reg, buy a 6.6kw charger yourself and get it installed (€400-500 all day in).

The resale value?!? Why do you bother? The BEVs currently are like the smartphones - there’s always a better one around the corner and depreciation would be fierce no matter if you get 172 or 181.

goz83

Macker wrote: »

You make very good point but Hyundai are offering a 5 year health check, don't know if that counts as a service and 5 years AA roadside assistance for cars registered in Jan 18 , is that worth waiting for, the car I have now is a comphy one so that's not an issue

Consider the likelihood that you will need the AA at all in the 5 years for a brand new EV and then ask what it's worth to you. Also ask yourself if the AA have any trained EV specialists when less than 1% of our vehicles are electric. Most insurance companies have you covered for breakdowns, which are less likely with an EV. Windscreen cover is something normally included with comprehensive policies.

If I were you, I would take the free install off the ESB, but I would be sure to upgrade the cable for a 32A EVSE install. I would order an EVSE that I wanted (such as the Rolec range) and sell the ESB supplied one. I would even chance my arm and try have the ESB guy install the preferred EVSE. Once the cabling is all in place and hooked up, it's easy to change the EVSE and is basically the same as changing a socket.....so no need to pay through the nose after the licensed work is complete.

With all that said, it's up to you if you want to wait for a new plate. It is after all, you who will be driving the car. Just don't deprive yourself for the sake of a few gimmicks.

The car is there now, get it and enjoy mate !

Forget about the charge point, get a proper 32 amp unit and as suggested, sell the 16 amp.

Macker

peposhi wrote: »

I would not be bothered about the free charger from ESB. For the iOniq you’d have to get a 6.6kw home charger to get your car quickly charged overnight (or day) rather than having to wait 10-12 hours charging time for an empty battery with the 3.3kw ESB charger.
Option 1 - get the car now, sell the ESB charger and get a 6.6kw one.
Option 2 - wait for 181 reg, buy a 6.6kw charger yourself and get it installed (€400-500 all day in).

The resale value?!? Why do you bother? The BEVs currently are like the smartphones - there’s always a better one around the corner and depreciation would be fierce no matter if you get 172 or 181.

I'll probably wait till December and if there is a grant available in the new year I'll wait for the 181 otherwise do as you say and take it this year, is the ESB charger flashable to 30amp?

The ABL unit is, yes. But you'll need to get the RCBO replaced and cabling or have it pre wired for the extra current to begin with.

It will mean you need to pay an electrician to come back. If I were you I'd find out what cable to get and pre wire it yourself, skip the ESB free charger and get your own 32 amp unit and electrician to wire it up and I believe you need a certified electrician to work on the consumer unit. I don't know if this differs from a normal electrician if they work on the consumer unit.

Macker

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The ABL unit is, yes. But you'll need to get the RCBO replaced and cabling or have it pre wired for the extra current to begin with.

It will mean you need to pay an electrician to come back. If I were you I'd find out what cable to get and pre wire it yourself, skip the ESB free charger and get your own 32 amp unit and electrician to wire it up and I believe you need a certified electrician to work on the consumer unit. I don't know if this differs from a normal electrician if they work on the consumer unit.

Thanks, could I live with the 16 amp if the car is parked up at 11pm every night and I can give it 15 minutes on a fast charger beside my job Monday to Friday

peposhi

Macker wrote: »

Thanks, could I live with the 16 amp if the car is parked up at 11pm every night and I can give it 15 minutes on a fast charger beside my job Monday to Friday

You could.

Depends on how far you go everyday, do you need a full charge every morning, what are the rest of the journeys you do apart from home-work-home.

If you are leaving the house every morning at 8 that would leave you with roughly 8+ hours charging by 3.3kw/h - inefficiency, therefore 22-24kwh pumped into your car or 80-85% charge. So if you plug in the car at 11pm every night with more than let say 20-25% or more left in the tank, then you’d definitely have it 💯 % charged in the morning.
If that suits your lifestyle - no need for the 6.6kw charger.
I did upgrade my charger when we swapped the old Leaf for a 30kwh, 6.6kw one as it is much quicker and more convenient. Especially if I have a new trip a few hours after I’m back home - plug in and charge twice the speed of 3.3kw charger (it got me out a couple of times!)

As for the fast charger... well... it’s pretty good to have it handy (I work at place where we have a Chademo and 2 SCPs) but long term it is not what I would rely on. Charges are going to come up at some stage, the extra time you’d be spending (even if it’s 20-30mins)... not worth it, when you have the option to have your car 100% ready for you every morning with a 6.6kw HCP.
Don’t forget that someone else would be waiting for you to finish your charge that you don’t necessarily need when they would need it to continue their long trip or whatever...
It’s all up to you, pick what suits you

Don't depend on fast charging all for the sake of installing a faster home charger and paying for it. The convenience alone makes it worth while.

Macker

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Don't depend on fast charging all for the sake of installing a faster home charger and paying for it. The convenience alone makes it worth while.

The fast charger beside my job is Lidl in Drogheda, if it's on 24hrs I could pull in at 6am before it opens and give it 20 minutes or take my break there, I shop there a lot and it was being used twice that I saw, my commute is about 40 km each way and I haven't driven longer than that more than 4 times in the last few years, I prefer public transport when I go away, the idea would be to upgrade when I can pick one up somewhere

Macker

Macker wrote: »

The fast charger beside my job is Lidl in Drogheda, if it's on 24hrs I could pull in at 6am before it opens and give it 20 minutes or take my break there, I shop there a lot and it was being used twice that I saw, my commute is about 40 km each way and I haven't driven longer than that more than 4 times in the last few years, I prefer public transport when I go away, the idea would be to upgrade when I can pick one up somewhere

You really should be charging at home if you can , this frees up a charger for someone who actually needs it, not saying you would block a charger intentionally. Many times I had to wait for people to come back from shopping at the Nace DC point and were not a bit shy to say they were only there for the free electricity and couldn't care less that I had to charge after a 12 hr shift, yes my problem of course, but they were being inconsiderate worst of all is they couldn't care less as long as they got something for free.

Anyway, do not allow yourself into a situation where you need to use/rely public charging, get a home charge point and be done with it.

Macker

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You really should be charging at home if you can , this frees up a charger for someone who actually needs it, not saying you would block a charger intentionally. Many times I had to wait for people to come back from shopping at the Nace DC point and were not a bit shy to say they were only there for the free electricity and couldn't care less that I had to charge after a 12 hr shift, yes my problem of course, but they were being inconsiderate worst of all is they couldn't care less as long as they got something for free.

Anyway, do not allow yourself into a situation where you need to use/rely public charging, get a home charge point and be done with it.

OH I'll certainly get a home charger when I said pick one up I meant 30 amp upgrade, using the public one in Lidl wouldn't be more than 15 minutes either when I'm shopping or grabbing a sandwich on my break or as I said 6am if it's on 24 hrs

Macker

Macker wrote: »

OH I'll certainly get a home charger when I said pick one up I meant 30 amp upgrade, using the public one in Lidl wouldn't be more than 15 minutes either when I'm shopping or grabbing a sandwich on my break or as I said 6am if it's on 24 hrs

That will really irritate other EV users who might actually need it if you're inside shopping, that 15 mins is a lot of valuable time to someone who actually needs to use it.

When I'm in Carlow charging , which is my local charger , I usually wait and when someone comes I disconnect, if I have to leave then I put a note on the dash with "you can plug me out" on one side and if I need the charge or my number on the other.

I usually leave my number anyway so when I do leave the car someone can call me and ask how long I'll be whatever charger I'm at.

goz83

If you wait til December, then you will wait til January. If you are collecting the car soon, all you need to do is supply the thicker cable and the ESB guy shouldn't have an issue running it. They usually use 4sq, but you will need 6sq, or 10sq if the cable run is more than 10 metres. I had 6sq armoured as the run is less than 10m and about 2m is outside the house. If any of the cable is to be exposed to the elements, you need armoured cable. That means if you have the EVSE on the side wall, you need armoured. You can flash the ESB supplied unit, but if I were you, I would sell it and pony up a few extra euro to get a better EVSE. I chose a tethered Rolec which also has a 13Amp socket which I use for plugging in the vacuum, power washer, power tools etc...ort if I want to charge 1 car with the Tethered cable and the other with the Granny cable.

This is the one I bought, but not from the liked website.


If you give us an idea of where your EVSE will be located and where your fusebox is located, we should be able to tell you what you need.

So for example; my fusebox is located under the stairs on the side wall of the house and is about 4m from the front garden/door. The other side of the wall is the side entrance/alley which has a roof. The EVSE is on the shared garden wall in the driveway and ~1 metre from the side entrance door. The total cable run is just under 9m, as it was necessary to run the cable up and over the side door and then down to the EVSE height which is about 2 feet from the base to the ground.

Summary:

32Amp EVSE = 6sq
Under 10m run = 6sq
Some of the run is outside = armoured cable.

Macker

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That will really irritate other EV users who might actually need it if you're inside shopping, that 15 mins is a lot of valuable time to someone who actually needs to use it.

When I'm in Carlow charging , which is my local charger , I usually wait and when someone comes I disconnect, if I have to leave then I put a note on the dash with "you can plug me out" on one side and if I need the charge or my number on the other.

I usually leave my number anyway so when I do leave the car someone can call me and ask how long I'll be whatever charger I'm at.

I'm new to this but isn't the one in Lidl for the people who shop in Lidl,

goz83

Macker wrote: »

I'm new to this but isn't the one in Lidl for the people who shop in Lidl,

Yeah, just like the parking is for Lidl customers, but it won't stop people parking and dropping their kids to the local school or what not. If Lidl see it being abused, they will restrict use, or cut use completely.

Macker

Summary:

32Amp EVSE = 6sq
Under 10m run = 6sq
Some of the run is outside = armoured cable.[/QUOTE]

I have a 3 meter run from my fuse board to the outside wall of my porch where the charger will be going , can you Pm or post a link to where you got your charger , cheers

goz83

Macker wrote: »

Summary:

I have a 3 meter run from my fuse board to the outside wall of my porch where the charger will be going , can you Pm or post a link to where you got your charger , cheers

I think I got mine at evonestop.co.uk. Current price for the one I got is £444

There is a listing on ebay for a tethered version, but without the 13Amp socket here for £175

Macker

goz83 wrote: »

I think I got mine at evonestop.co.uk. Current price for the one I got is £444

There is a listing on ebay for a tethered version, but without the 13Amp socket here for £175

Thanks, I stuck in a decent bid but he's taking the piss with the postage, I'll have a look at that site, if the OH doesn't think we need a socket which I doubt we do I'll probably buy it now

goz83

Macker wrote: »

Thanks, I stuck in a decent bid but he's taking the piss with the postage, I'll have a look at that site, if the OH doesn't think we need a socket which I doubt we do I'll probably buy it now

If you have a parcel motel account, postage becomes £12 and the the €5 parcel motel charge you, so a nice saving.

I love the 13A socket in my one, but you could always install one separately if you actually wanted one. Or you could buy THIS and replace the holder poece on the evse I linked earlier. Gives you a rolec wallpod with 13Amp socket for less than half price.

You would probably have to add an extra trip switch to the evse, or run the socket wires independent to the evse if you know what I mean.