International Men's Day, November 19

iptba

An annual opportunity to highlight issues affecting boys and men.

NIMAN

Will the ladies/girls/women let us have one day though?

Middle Man

NIMAN wrote: »

Will the ladies/girls/women let us have one day though?

Correction - will the Feminazis let us have even one day? Not all women are culpable and there are male feminists out there too...

lazybones32

What issues would posters like to see raised?



I don't place any stock in these "Intl. day for..." because every damn day is a day for "something" and it cheapens it imo...obligatory 'celebration' with a few soundbites on the radio and some soon-forgotten op-ed in media. For example, today 6 Nov is, Natl. basketball day and, wait for this, International day for preventing the exploitation of the environment in war and armed conflict (checkiday.com).

Wibbs

TBH like LB I'm extremely dubious of such [insert demographic here] days. Especially one so wide ranging as Men, or Women for that matter. Passes me by I'm afraid.

iptba

I'm involved in (voluntary) advocacy for another issue and such days have been useful to get media coverage of it over the years.

Richard Hillman

NIMAN wrote: »

Will the ladies/girls/women let us have one day though?

Nope. Instead of celebrating the great successes of men, it will be a day to poke mental health issues and items such as men are crap at visiting doctors.

One eyed Jack

iptba wrote: »

I'm involved in (voluntary) advocacy for another issue and such days have been useful to get media coverage of it over the years.

Thing is though that the other 364 days of the year, it's some other 'issue' gets a 'special day'. Honestly the 'day of the girl' stuff on LinkedIn recently (I'm not on Facebook, Sh*tter, etc), just had me do a Clint Eastwood impression -



It's also my birthday, and I won't be making a big deal of that either :pac:

lazybones32

iptba wrote: »

I'm involved in (voluntary) advocacy for another issue and such days have been useful to get media coverage of it over the years.

But what issues would you like to see raised this year?
One day a year isn't enough for publicity, though it's far better than zero.

I can't think of many issues affecting men, in general, that haven't been given sufficient exposure.
It's only when we're dealing with more specific issues, that affect a smaller group of men, that more exposure is required imo.

iptba

Our Theme for 2017
Celebrate Men and Boys

We welcome you to the International Men's Day global website.

Objectives of International Men's Day include a focus on men's and boy's health, improving gender relations, promoting gender equality, and highlighting positive male role models. It is an occasion for men to celebrate their achievements and contributions, in particular their contributions to community, family, marriage, and child care while highlighting the discrimination against them.

continues:
http://www.internationalmensday.com/

iptba

Mojo Rising To Shine Light On International Men’s Day

Mojo, the male mental health collective, has today announced their debut event called 'Mojo Rising', which will take place in Dublin each year on International Men’s Day (19 November) to raise awareness and funds for the much-needed service.

Mojo Rising will be an eclectic festival of the arts to support men facing mental health challenges and to celebrate International Men’s Day.

continues:
http://www.hotpress.com/Mojo-Rising/news/Mojo-Rising-To-Shine-Light-On-International-Mens-Day/21133159.html

iptba

From: The newsletter of the Men’s Health Forum in Ireland

International Men’s Day 2017

International Men's Day (IMD) takes place on the 19th of November each year. This day offers an opportunity for everyone to celebrate the important contribution that men and boys make to their families, friends, communities, workplaces, society and the world. However, it is also a time to highlight some of the key issues facing males, and to provide practical support and positive encouragement to overcome these. For example, the Belfast Men’s Health Group will be setting-up a stall in St. Georges Market, Belfast, on Friday 17th November 2017, from 9.30am - 1.00pm, and men of all ages are invited to drop by and avail of the following free services: blood pressure checks, Body Mass Index (BMI) assessment, smoking cessation advice (including carbon monoxide checks), healthy eating guidance, physical activity opportunities, self-help booklets / leaflets … Keep an eye out for IMD activities and events in your area. Better still, why not organise something yourself to mark this day!

El_Duderino 09

That's great. Delighted to see men's issues get this kind of attention. This is exactly the sort of thing that raises awareness of men's issues like education and mental health.

It's ironic that people complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use.

I hope it gets attention and raises awareness of issues that lots of people don't know affect men.

tritium

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's great. Delighted to see men's issues get this kind of attention. This is exactly the sort of thing that raises awareness of men's issues like education and mental health.

It's ironic that people complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use.

I hope it gets attention and raises awareness of issues that lots of people don't know affect men.

You mean people like prominent feminist MP Jess Phillips right?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/we-need-international-mens-day-about-as-much-as-a-white-history-month-or-able-body-action-day-a6740646.html%3Famp&ved=0ahUKEwj_rrSK2bbXAhXDNhoKHZj5DawQFghaMAo&usg=AOvVaw1pOo2VZH4gTSA-cAxs7qbs&ampcf=1

tritium

tritium wrote: »

You mean people like prominent feminist MP Jess Phillips right?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/we-need-international-mens-day-about-as-much-as-a-white-history-month-or-able-body-action-day-a6740646.html%3Famp&ved=0ahUKEwj_rrSK2bbXAhXDNhoKHZj5DawQFghaMAo&usg=AOvVaw1pOo2VZH4gTSA-cAxs7qbs&ampcf=1

Or UK minister for equalities Caroline Dinenage


http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mp-delivers-spectacular-putdown-over-international-mens-day_uk_5811cad9e4b0ccfc9561c298

El_Duderino 09

tritium wrote:

You mean people like prominent feminist MP Jess Phillips right?

Or UK minister for equalities Caroline Dinenage

Why did you quote me in that?

tritium

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why did you quote me in that?

This was your previous point

It's ironic that people complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use.


You'd also criticised mens rights advocates who spend their time criticising feminism

I assumed then that folks like the two i linked to are the kind you had in mind (and whos views youd obviously condemn as reprehensible)

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

tritium wrote: »

This was your previous point

It's ironic that people complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use.


Toud also criticises mens rights advocates who spend their time criticising feminism

I assumed then that folks like the two i linked to are the kind you had in mind (and whos views youd obviously condemn as reprehensible)

Except his post was talking about people who complain about women having a day to highlight their issues and then turn around and dismiss IMD. Seeing as it's pretty doubtful those MPs have a problem with international women's day that was a pretty awkward segway in fairness.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

iptba wrote: »

From: The newsletter of the Men’s Health Forum in Ireland

Do you know is there anything in Cork? No luck on the website.

tritium

Angela Elegant Sometime wrote: »

Except his post was talking about people who complain about women having a day to highlight their issues and then turn around and dismiss IMD. Seeing as it's pretty doubtful those MPs have a problem with international women's day that was a pretty awkward segway in fairness.

Didn't feel that way to me tbh...

You do condem their views though right? Given the support youve professed above for IMD

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

tritium wrote: »

Didn't feel that way to me tbh...

You do condem their views though right? Given the support youve professed above for IMD

Of course I do.

El_Duderino 09

tritium wrote:

It's ironic that people complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use.

They complained about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use? Are you sure thats what they did?

tritium wrote:

Toud also criticises mens rights advocates who spend their time criticising feminism

I'd disagree with that approach the same as I disagree with the locals in these threads who come to life when criticising feminism.

tritium wrote:

I assumed then that folks like the two i linked to are the kind you had in mind (and whos views youd obviously condemn as reprehensible)

Again, have the I especially you linked been complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use? I'm not getting that from the article.

Where are you getting that those people complain about women's Day and day of the girl?

Hamfisted, tritium. Wouldn't you just be happy about IMD?

tritium

Angela Elegant Sometime wrote: »

Of course I do.

Oops soz, replied tonwrong post eb, meant for el D.

artanevilla

Would have been better to have it today with the matches on.

El_Duderino 09

tritium wrote:

Didn't feel that way to me tbh...

Don't worry about how you feel about it. I said what I find it ironic because it's what I meant to say.
Of course I support IMD and would disagree with anyone who opposes it.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Google highlight women’s day and some places give free things to women.

The same us never done for international men’s day.

The NWCI hate men and boys.

Is there even a day of the boy? Because there’s a day of the girl.

alroley

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Google highlight women’s day and some places give free things to women.

The same us never done for international men’s day.

The NWCI hate men and boys.

Is there even a day of the boy? Because there’s a day of the girl.

A bit of free stuff doesn't really make up for the less money women earn.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

alroley wrote: »

A bit of free stuff doesn't really make up for the less money women earn.

The wage gap is a myth. They don’t compare like for like. They just take all women in a company and compare them against all men.

Why should women get free stuff on IWD when men don’t get free stuff on IMD?

Triceratops Ballet

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote:

Why should women get free stuff on IWD when men don’t get free stuff on IMD?

Because capitalism I assume, some crap tat is handed out in the hope it generates brand loyalty. By all means write to companies who do it for IWD and ask why they dont do it for IMD. It's a valid question.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Because capitalism I assume, some crap tat is handed out in the hope it generates brand loyalty. By all means write to companies who do it for IWD and ask why they dont do it for IMD. It's a valid question.

Feminists would call it sexist. The NWCI are behind it.

Triceratops Ballet

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote:

Feminists would call it sexist. The NWCI are behind it.

What?

I'd be happier with an International Day of "Being Sound" personally.

artanevilla

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd be happier with an International Day of "Being Sound" personally.

You mean every day?

El_Duderino 09

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote:

Google highlight women’s day and some places give free things to women.

The same us never done for international men’s day.

The NWCI hate men and boys.

Feminists would call it sexist. The NWCI are behind it.

Are Google and NWIC in cahoots? If not, what's your point exactly?

iptba

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Google highlight women’s day and some places give free things to women.

The same us never done for international men’s day.

The NWCI hate men and boys.

Is there even a day of the boy? Because there’s a day of the girl.

No, international day of the boy didn't come up with any search results (on a quick search)

So there looks like there are at least three days focused on females compared to one focused on males

International Day of the Girl (11 October)
http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/in-focus/girl-child

25 November, the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women
http://www.un.org/en/events/endviolenceday/

International Women's Day (IWD): March 8

Some minor ones:
16 Days of Activism Against Gender-Based Violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Days_of_Activism_against_Gender-based_Violence
16 Days of Activism Against Gender-Based Violence is an international campaign to challenge violence against women and girls.

November 29 - International Women Human Rights Defenders Day

Maleligned

NIMAN wrote: »

Will the ladies/girls/women let us have one day though?

By the looks of things its not the ladies have an issue its the white knights on this board are getting their panties in a twist.

El_Duderino 09

Maleligned wrote: »

NIMAN wrote: »

Will the ladies/girls/women let us have one day though?

By the looks of things its not the ladies have an issue its the white knights on this board are getting their panties in a twist.

You’re dead wrong on that. I do t think anyone on this thread has opposed IMD. The ones who have expressed an issue with it are probably not the ‘white knights’.

I’m really not sure what you’re on about.

Maleligned

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's ironic that people complaining about women's Day and day of the girl because there are so many events to highlight women's issues, but then snort at IMD because hey don't think it's much use.

I appreciate your pro International Men's Day.

But please read that sentence it doesn't make sense I don't think that's what you meant to say and its create lots of confusion on the thread and wasted people's time.

Maleligned

tritium wrote: »

Or UK minister for equalities Caroline Dinenage


http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mp-delivers-spectacular-putdown-over-international-mens-day_uk_5811cad9e4b0ccfc9561c298

In the debate in the Commons, Caroline Dinenage said: “Women could be forgiven for thinking every day is International Men’s Day”.

Its staggering that the minister for equalities could make such an ignorant statement she should resign for that alone.

Maleligned

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You’re dead wrong on that. I do t think anyone on this thread has opposed IMD. The ones who have expressed an issue with it are probably not the ‘white knights’.

I’m really not sure what you’re on about.

There have been a few that have dismissed it.
Go back and read the thread.

And learn to express yourself a bit better.

El_Duderino 09

Maleligned wrote:

But please read that sentence it doesn't make sense I don't think that's what you meant to say and its create lots of confusion on the thread and wasted people's time.

Humm. Well there are some posters who complain that there are too many women's days (international women's Day and 'day of the girl' for example. 'where's the men's day equivalent?') Then when there is a day dedicated to highlighting men's issues, they say that those days are useless anyway rather than being glad that there's an opportunity to highlight men's issues.

It's ironic but I wouldn't think it's very confusing.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Two people, in separate conversations, have thought I was talking about International Wednesday.

Think it could do with a bit more support.

khaldrogo

The biggest single issue that is a threat to all men is the modern feminist.

All this #menaretrash bullcrap!!!!! They want us to apologise for being born male!!!

I heard in a college in America(may not be true) that if a white male wants to give an opinion in class they must first state that they acknowledge their opinion comes from a position of white male privilege!!!!!

My wife is better looking than me, more qualified than me, better paid than me, better in bed than me and just in general better than me. What privilege do I have exactly?

Maleligned

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Humm. Well there are some posters who complain that there are too many women's days (international women's Day and 'day of the girl' for example. 'where's the men's day equivalent?') Then when there is a day dedicated to highlighting men's issues, they say that those days are useless anyway rather than being glad that there's an opportunity to highlight men's issues.

It's ironic but I wouldn't think it's very confusing.

I'll be clearer if its really necessary. If someone says there are too many women's days and there's no need for a men's day then at least they're being consistent.

Skullface McGubbin

International Men's Day

I didn't even know that was a thing. Anyway, I doubt it'll get much publicity compared to other "International X day" type occasions.

El_Duderino 09

Maleligned wrote: »

I'll be clearer if its really necessary. If someone says there are too many women's days and there's no need for a men's day then at least they're being consistent.

That would be true. But their point was that there is too much attention on women’s issues and not enough attention on men’s issues (e.g. women’s days and girl’s days). Then when there’s a men’s day, they say it’s pointless anyway.

So why complain about women’s days if they're useless?

ThunbergsAreGo

Maleligned wrote: »

Its staggering that the minister for equalities could make such an ignorant statement she should resign for that alone.

This is true, someone would be slaughtered for saying the same about in IWD or god forbid Remembrance Day

ligerdub

On the surface and in theory it's not a bad thing. Theory and practice are 2 different things though. It could be the biggest trojan horse going i.e. only really a concessionary gesture so that they can massively promote IWD every year.

You can expect a few things to happen on November 19th.

- An article about "but do we really need it?"

- "It's International Men's Day every day."

- Shoehorning Transmen into the mix.

- "How we need to end "toxic masculinity" to help men." - No issue with opening up the acceptable range of tolerance of what a man is and how he should behave. The problem faced here though is that the sensitive male type is celebrated in this regard; the more traditionally masculine type is seen as "doing it wrong". So basically we are still left with a situation where certain groups of men are seen as bad. I'm not sure that's helpful.

- Some sort of list of how men can join in the fight for equality in something considered an area where men have the advantage.

- “Men have not faced the same historical oppression that women have but”. I.e. I’ll recognise today but let’s put a hierarchy on it, and also that that opinion is stated as fact.

- The celebration of the preferred feminist man type. This will be anything but the traditional "protector" or financial provider capacity. Again, see point re: toxic masculinity.

These of course are hypothetical for the moment until we see the reality of November the 19th. Based on recent examples of IMD day though it's not encouraging.

I can think of few things worse for a person's self-esteem or identity than they are guilty of something through the mere fact of a demographic that applies to them. It would be nice if we got to a point where we stopped hearing the narrative that all men are potential rapists, abusers and oppressors, or in the case of advertising, mumbling simpletons! That might help!

If days such as this end up reverse the proliferation of nonsense such as terms like “Manspreading”, “mansplaining”, ”manterrupting” then great, but I suspect that won’t be covered. Basically it would be nice if the malignance in the media towards men (which has knock-on effects in the wider world) would stop. I’d apply the same rule towards negative terms towards women if such were prevalent (if you think there are I won’t disagree with you, it’s not really the point I’m making).

It would seem easier to apply the standard and expectation that people should generally avoid the wider group of gender or race when it comes to put downs and insults.

We don't need to be mimicking feminists where we demand some sort of gender quota system or picking strands of support for wider societal issues. I'd much rather we approached problems such as homelessness, addiction problems, domestic violence, sexual abuse, workplace safety, wage rates, employer hiring decisions, mental health, college places, divorce court rulings and the like entirely on merit and level of severity, without any bias towards gender or race.

Personally I don’t go along with the “we need more X in Y” stuff. We don’t. All we need is for all people to have the same opportunities as each other. Certain things are and should be enshrined in law. For a lot of things though there is a growing demand for government measures to apply some sort of quota and I’m dead against that. Personally I don’t trust the powers that be when it comes to that or pretty much anything else for that matter.

We seem to have some sort of themed day every other day. The more we promote these sorts of things the more divisions are ramped up/amplified and I have a suspicion that will end up doing more harm than good for men, and indeed women (in my opinion).

I’m not against the idea of the day, it may be a good thing, but for the moment at least I remain sceptical. Let’s see the tone first before it’s judged.

silverharp

if it has any use its to smoke out the misandrists and feminists, they will invariably make some dumb comments that will show them in a bad light.

El_Duderino 09

silverharp wrote: »

if it has any use its to smoke out the misandrists and feminists, they will invariably make some dumb comments that will show them in a bad light.

Like saying it’s pointless? Or the ones who will look past the obvious positive uses for the day to highlight issues affecting men, to look for trivial ways to criticise feminists?

No, Silverharp. You’re dead wrong on this. If it has any use it’s to be for the advancement of men’s rights and publicising the issues that unfairly affect men.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Yeah and I suppose like Women's Day, Day of the Girl, and every day ending in Y, it's an opportunity to snipe and moan about feminists. It'd be an awful shame to squander a second of that opportunity, seeing as it's one that only comes 365 days a year, by highlighting health and social issues that disproportionately affect men, applauding positive role models, promoting or starting men's rights organisations or doing anything vaguely proactive or positive.

Jesus this forum.