The Walking Dead | Season 8 | Episode 3 | Monsters [AMC] [SPOILERS]

arayess

Collie D wrote: »

Used to buy the loyalty of the crowd in the dump who then contracted whatever the pig version of CJD is. Only explanation for the way they talk that I can come up with.

I could write this ****

maybe it's explained later...
in esp 02 this season they came across a mutated walked.
I felt that was left hanging...


I thought it wasn?t a bad episode compared to previous crap.

I'm wondering about how they got the drop on every single compound full of armed people....and lost only a handful..
kinda ridiculous

bear1

Maybe its Me, but a .50 cal would easily go through 2 bodies.
So when you see the guy jump to save ezekiel he gets hit with the cal.
If he comes out of that without a scratch then I think we can change the genre from mystery thriller to comedy.

jonon9

sonofenoch wrote: »

It's laughably childish the way everyone is running around gung-ho and those outfits of 'armour' have always cracked me up


but I read some spoilers of what's to come, it's enough to keep my interest up for a while, though I wouldn't expect anything in the show to be done in a memorable way now

:D

Pete Moss

bear1 wrote:

Maybe its Me, but a .50 cal would easily go through 2 bodies. So when you see the guy jump to save ezekiel he gets hit with the cal. If he comes out of that without a scratch then I think we can change the genre from mystery thriller to comedy.

The writers probably wouldn't really be too knowledgeable of the impact certain firearms and their bullets may have on the human body, though that's OK, because, I'd imagine, a vast majority of the viewers wouldn't know or care of the impact of certain weapons either.

Also, I think the show's genre is already up for debate when it's set in a world where while the dead are eating people, a part-time actor becomes a king and has a pet tiger. Meanwhile, the biggest threat is a man who is as physically intimidating as a hunger striker prancing around chatting to his baseball bat.

Banjaxed82

3

I think some people are getting too bogged down in the details of what's wrong with the show. The fact is the story and characters are fundamentally flawed. Structurally, the whole thing is just bad storytelling.

The ridiculous gun battles (for example) are just a bi product of the poor decisions that are being made wholesale across the show.

alchemist33

5

This week's episode was a little better, in that we got to see some of our hero's strategy e.g. Carol lying in wait behind the bushes for the baddies. But even that was flawed, as how did Carol and co. know which bush to wait behind when they didn't know where the King was about to be ambushed?

The Morality With Morales scene was also heavily overacted. I don't know how the actor managed to keep a hold his gun with the intensity of his grimacing.

Utopia Parkway

Th whole thing is just bad at the moment. Bad writing. Bad acting. Even the gunfights are like something from The A Team.

CastorTroy

Hande hoche! wrote: »

To do with Benjamin getting shot.

Thanks for that. Was wondering as well. When he referred to the armour being the kid's, I thought he was referring to his son. So thought he knew him way back.

Yakult

6

What am I watching?? 3 episodes in and still not sure if this is The Walking Dead or some cheesy Naked Gun type show about Zombies..

It's dreadful stuff, sorry to say really.

Cartman78

What.A.Mess

Complete and utter scutter - I genuinely don't know wtf is going on in this show...seems to be people just randomly running around shooting other people with infinite supplies of ammo.

Nothing makes any sense any more at all - there's no overarching narrative or mission or assumed end-point.

The characters are all basically murderous psychopaths at this point - don't care who gets killed next.

Was anyone else bothered by the way Darryl casually shot the young lad in the head after Rick had given him is woooorrdd that he wouldn't be harmed?

Pete Moss

Cartman78 wrote:

Was anyone else bothered by the way Darryl casually shot the young lad in the head after Rick had given him is woooorrdd that he wouldn't be harmed?

The only thing that bothered me about that scene was the young guy tried to shoot Rick at all. He'd a handy hiding spot, the battle was lost, live to fight another day and all that, but no, this kid with the shooting accuracy of a blind Storm Trooper opts to save the day.

Good call from Daryl is what I say.

kylith

I've totally given up watching the aftershow. Wossisname trying to convince me that the shít this show has turned into is televisual gold got irritating.

bear1

kylith wrote: »

I've totally given up watching the aftershow. Wossisname trying to convince me that the shít this show has turned into is televisual gold got irritating.

The only gold thing about this show are the cheques the actors/writers are receiving.

CastorTroy

I've seen more story progression in a battle episode of Yu Gi Oh or Bleach.

Lorelli!

I didn't mind the Morales story. I liked finding out what happened with him but i think it was right to kill him off and he didn't need any more story. Rick and Morales would have no loyalty to one another this far on.

Alot of the episode was based on moral conflicts within the group. We've already seen a lot of this with Morgan, Carol, Rick etc so it's getting a bit rinse and repeat.

When they first attacked Negan's group, they stabbed and shot them at point blank range in their sleep. This was before they even met Negan so i dont see why they are confused about what they need to do now. I can't remember if Jesus took part in that? They gave Negans gang a chance to surrender in the first episode and they didn't so not sure what Jesus was playing at.

Haven't read the ep2 thread. Has anyone talked about them taking pictures after fights? Making history?

I think the show is good but it's going to be difficult for the writer's to top a lot of what they've already done. The initial shock factors were based on the actual outbreak, killing people, overcoming moral conflicts, fights with other groups, finding a home and dealing with zombies. They have overcome a lot of those obstacles many times so imo the show just doesn't know where to go at this stage. I'll still watch it though

alchemist33

5

kylith wrote: »

I've totally given up watching the aftershow. Wossisname trying to convince me that the shít this show has turned into is televisual gold got irritating.

I watched it once a few seasons ago and never again. But I dislike all those aftershows tbh (e.g. GOT, Bake-off). They're just glorified adverts.

Did anyone notice that the show just looks cheap these days as well? Miserable, tacky and grim. That idiot with the tiger and his fat friend with the axe are embarrassing. It's like a kids show now.

Effects

It seems people here only watch it so they can complain about how bad it is!

Effects

Deleted User wrote: »

Did anyone notice that the show just looks cheap these days as well? Miserable, tacky and grim. That idiot with the tiger and his fat friend with the axe are embarrassing. It's like a kids show now.

Probably just scaling down the actual production budget so the producers and show creators get paid more. It's just a case of flog it for as much money as possible now. Doesn't really matter if the story make any sense or is told in a convincing way.

storker

3

Cartman78 wrote: »

Was anyone else bothered by the way Darryl casually shot the young lad in the head after Rick had given him is woooorrdd that he wouldn't be harmed?

I felt sorry for the kid, but no, not really bothered. Daryl hadn't given his word, and he still probably has issues that remain after his captivity by the Saviours. I don't buy the "we would be as bad as them" idea, either. At least Rick & Co's violence is reactive, it's not policy. They're not the ones going around stripping settlements of their supplies under threat of death. You could do business and co-exist with Rick's group; whereas the Saviours offer only subjugation. If the Saviours were a Games of Thrones house, they'd have a tapeworm as their sigil.

Walter E GO

4

Cartman78 wrote: »

Was anyone else bothered by the way Darryl casually shot the young lad in the head after Rick had given him is woooorrdd that he wouldn't be harmed?

I reckon Darryl and Rick will have a falling out soon enough over Darryls shoot to kill, ask questions later policy. The look Rick gave him when he shot the young lad and Morales. Rick didn't seem impressed.

snowgal

Walter E GO wrote: »

I reckon Darryl and Rick will have a falling out soon enough over Darryls shoot to kill, ask questions later policy. The look Rick gave him when he shot the young lad and Morales. Rick didn't seem impressed.

yes me too. And I think Darryl will ride off in a huff after their fight and then get himself killed....................

Lorelli!

Walter E GO wrote: »

I reckon Darryl and Rick will have a falling out soon enough over Darryls shoot to kill, ask questions later policy. The look Rick gave him when he shot the young lad and Morales. Rick didn't seem impressed.

No, they're brothers

Actually you know it would be interesting to see a significant split/break away group from Rick but not sure that would be an option for them while they are still dealing with Negan.

worker bee

5

Some questions:

Why did that guy at the end take one potshot at Rick and Daryl? They didn't know he was there so this guy could have stayed hidden until they had left. Just set up to demonstrate that Daryl is the opposite of Jesus.

Where are the 'single ladies'? They had their weapons taken but never seen again - did they move on? get wiped out? just accept this latest torment and carry on running forest camp? - or will they turn up later to choose a side?

I wouldn't mind a map or Game or Thrones opening credits-style aerial swoop to show where everything is. Might get a handle on how many Negan outposts there are too - or is that meant to be a real shock or something?

Was all the listing of names from the first series - Andrea, Shane etc (but not Dale - why not poor Dale?) just a way of harking back to the show's glory days or were they reminding viewers of more characters who might be coming back? Who might they be? - I can't think of many more characters who just moved on and might be still alive.

storker

3

worker bee wrote: »

Just set up to demonstrate that Daryl is the opposite of Jesus.

Opposite of Jesus...
...Anti-Jesus...
...Anti-Christ!

No wonder Daryl is such a badass.

Lorelli!

worker bee wrote: »

Some questions:

Why did that guy at the end take one potshot at Rick and Daryl? They didn't know he was there so this guy could have stayed hidden until they had left. Just set up to demonstrate that Daryl is the opposite of Jesus.

ye, I thought that was an unusual move myself and it didn't really make sense that he would take that chance of he didn't have to.

worker bee wrote: »

Where are the 'single ladies'? They had their weapons taken but never seen again - did they move on? get wiped out? just accept this latest torment and carry on running forest camp? - or will they turn up later to choose a side?.

I'm not fully up to date on them because I was kind of only half watching last season but I was wondering maybe if the guy that Tara got separated from, Heath is with them? Or did we see him die? I looked it up and it says his status is unknown.

worker bee

5

Heath was rather nice alright. I had presumed he was dead but yes, you're right, he wasn't killed on screen so maybe he'll come back.

Gonna stick with this - and hope I'm not disappointed at the end.

StringerBell

7

Much better episode, the bar being lowered has helped that in my mind no doubt! I meant to vote 7 but obviously clicked 8.

Didn't give a **** when the two lads had their goodbye scene, don't care about the characters at all, not enjoying that Jesus is being a pain in the hole when it comes to the prisoners. Interested to see where the sting is for Rick, who it is in the camp that is being a double agent. What happened to those guns, does Negan know about his own rat and has he playing him? Ok the guns appear to be in the process of mowing down the Kingdom crew obviously but why were they moved, can't have been random. If they play it as "all part of the plan" from Neagans end though that is also ridiculous as you can't simply sacrifice that many of your army, plausibly, if you have the means to destroy Rick n Co by setting up ambushes since you know where they are going.

Like I said, best of the three so far and hopefully a sign of an upward trend to come. Not exactly hopeful though

DoozerT6

It's a pity Eric wasn't utilised more since he was first introduced. We first met Aaron and him way back in S5, and Eric has been in (quite literally) just a handful of scenes since then. Aaron also remained pretty much a secondary character. The impact of their final scenes just didn't have the same emotional oomph because they never really had a decent story arc or (in Eric's case) much real interaction with the main group.

The Talking Bread

DoozerT6 wrote: »

It's a pity Eric wasn't utilised more since he was first introduced. We first met Aaron and him way back in S5, and Eric has been in (quite literally) just a handful of scenes since then. Aaron also remained pretty much a secondary character. The impact of their final scenes just didn't have the same emotional oomph because they never really had a decent story arc or (in Eric's case) much real interaction with the main group.

Didn't help that the actor playing Aaron couldn't cry and it almost bordered on sniggering and they didn't seem to have any chemistry as a pair, but as you said, that is due to lack of meaningful interaction between them previously and the fact that I wouldn't even have been able to recognise the character of Eric if you lined him up!

DoozerT6

So I just had a thought - what if Eric didn't die? I mean, we didn't see it happen on-screen. What if the Saviours took him, (leaving the gun behind to make Aaron think Eric had just 'shuffled' off this mortal coil into the woods), and he might be used as a hostage, or bait, later in the season? Or even worse, turn on the Alexandrians and 'become Negan', feeling that he owed them for saving his life?

Just a random idea for this Saturday night.

worker bee

5

Hmm, I thought we had seen him as a 'dead' chewing on a person and shambling into the woods but I guess they have played tricks on the audience before where they show a zombie with similar hair etc to a popular character before revealing that it's just a dead randomer.
I've got a few queries now too - such as how some of the zombies mutated if they're not growing or alive.
And why they made such a big deal of the zombie-eating pigs and haven't shown any consequences to that.
And let's sort out those trash people soon.

DoozerT6

I don't remember seeing him as a walker.... I know Aaron was distraught, looking at the walkers shamble off into the woods thinking Eric might be one of them. It's just my own theory though.

Yeah, I had forgotton about the pigs eating the dead - maybe there won't be consequences as such on-screen, it might just be a 'two fingers' to the Saviours from the Kingdom (and us, vicariously). Or maybe it will come back to bite them later on, no pun intended haha!

Agree with you about the TrashHeapers. There are some things that translate well from comic to screen, and some that don't. The Saviours and Ezekiel I can just about believe, although tbh Ezekiel and the whole 'Your Highness' thing is reeeeally stretching it. But Jadis and co? Just no. It's a stretch too far from reality. There is no way a society like that could evolve just a couple of years after the outbreak. It would take a couple of generations at least for people's speech patterns to change organically like that - these people were just like you and me, literally 2-3 years ago, before the outbreak.

I know it's just a tv show, but (zombies aside) it's been relatively believable up until the last couple of seasons. The Vatos gang at the nursing home back in S1, those guys Rick met in the bar in S2, The Governor, Dawn (at the hospital in Atlanta), The Claimers, the Wolves - all pretty believable under the circumstances, I felt. Terminus was pushing it a bit, but not out of the realms of reality. But the Heapsters just don't jive with me. It feels forced. I dunno, we'll see where they go with it I guess.

Something else I wondered, had Dale survived, what his stance on killing others would be now? But realistically I guess, he would have had to change his mind, because either a) he'd be dead at the hands of another human, or b) everyone would get so sick of his moral arguments with Rick that the fans would probably campaign for him to be killed off. Back in S2, most of the rest of the characters also had their qualms about killing others, now they shoot to kill without hesitation. I guess there would be no place for Dales' morality in S8 Walking Dead. I liked him though

NUTZZ

6

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Agree with you about the TrashHeapers. There are some things that translate well from comic to screen, and some that don't. The Saviours and Ezekiel I can just about believe, although tbh Ezekiel and the whole 'Your Highness' thing is reeeeally stretching it. But Jadis and co? Just no. It's a stretch too far from reality. There is no way a society like that could evolve just a couple of years after the outbreak. It would take a couple of generations at least for people's speech patterns to change organically like that - these people were just like you and me, literally 2-3 years ago, before the outbreak.

*Minor comic references below

As an FYI, Jadis and the trash people are not strictly featured in the comic books, so they didn't have source material to follow. Although they bare similarities to group(s)

the Scavengers

in the comic, they were created, and their language, specifically for the TV series.

DoozerT6

NUTZZ wrote: »

*Minor comic references below

As an FYI, Jadis and the trash people are not strictly featured in the comic books, so they didn't have source material to follow. Although they bare similarities to group(s)

the Scavengers

in the comic, they were created, and their language, specifically for the TV series.

Jaysis, that makes it even worse The writers thought something so cartoonish would work well on screen?

bear1

Fecking newspaper today revealed who is leaving TWD for the cross over. I was surprised and slightly disappointed.

NUTZZ

6

bear1 wrote: »

Fecking newspaper today revealed who is leaving TWD for the cross over. I was surprised and slightly disappointed.

There has been no confirmation that said actor will be leaving The Walking Dead completely, only that they will be appearing in the fourth season of FTWD.

“Even though

Morgan

is going to be featured on ‘Fear,’

he

has a lot of story left on ‘The Walking Dead,’” said showrunner Scott M. Gimple in a statement read out on “Talking Dead.” “

Morgan’s

arc on ‘The Walking Dead’ Season 8 positioned

him

for the story on ‘Fear.’ It was also important to see ‘Fear’s’ world and characters through new yet familiar eyes.”

bear1

Read in the Telegraph that this person said he/she will be leaving.

NUTZZ

6

bear1 wrote: »

Read in the Telegraph that this person said he/she will be leaving.

The quotes from the actor were a bit contradictory to what show-runner Gimple said alright, but we don't know if it is a permanent absence from the main show yet.