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Unpopular GAA opinion - MOD Note #426

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭liam7831


    I'm happy we didn't get rugby WC as the GAA would end up more free modern stadia thanks to the foolish taxpayer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    They should do something to reduce the amount of long range point scoring in hurling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    liam7831 wrote: »
    I'm happy we didn't get rugby WC as the GAA would end up more free modern stadia thanks to the foolish taxpayer

    I think it's great Ireland did not get it.

    We already have too many under used grounds all round the country.

    Places like Killarney or Salthill barley get full once every two years, and in their current form they are adequate for what they are used for.

    No use upgrading them for a single event and then being left with the cost of maintenance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    liam7831 wrote: »
    I'm happy we didn't get rugby WC as the GAA would end up more free modern stadia thanks to the foolish taxpayer


    Soccer is way more taxpayer funded than GAA. That shower in Tallaght got a free pitch that never has more than 2,000 in it, Delaney was on 400k a year; no-one watches it and national team is a joke that hopefully will exit before they get to make a show of the country on bigger stage :)


    8/11 Denmark is great bet by the way. Fill your boots! Win money and be spared seeing a lot of pot bellied leprechauns singing "You'll never beat the Irish" when 4 - 0 down in Moscow to Senegal :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭gammygils



    Thanks for that and I am a season ticket holder. But you're​ totally missing my point! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    In fairness, knockbacks happen, right or wrong. His mistake was giving up.



    Another unpopular opinion.

    1. The GAA would be better served playing far more meaningful games outside croke park. The atmosphere is much better, and the towns could really do with the finances it would generate.

    2. Full time sweepers shoudnt get all stars, as there is no sweeper position on the team. Some might say it isn't fair, but then a sweeper taking the place of a player who genuinely excelled in the position is even less fair as far as I can see.


    I think the thread title should be changed to "GAA opinion"

    Because playing more games outside CP must be the most popular opinion out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Soccer is way more taxpayer funded than GAA. That shower in Tallaght got a free pitch that never has more than 2,000 in it, Delaney was on 400k a year;<snip>
    and Dalymount! Another completely free stadium for soccer.
    Dublin City Council to seek €20m funding for Dalymount Park
    FAI will not contribute to redevelopment costs for proposed 10,000-seater stadium
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/national-league/dublin-city-council-to-seek-20m-funding-for-dalymount-park-1.2923540

    Is there one GAA stadium which was paid for totally or even near it by the taxpayer?
    Croker cost the GAA 177million, Cork is costing the GAA 50 million of the 80million overall cost, semple stadium got a grant of 1 million towards a stadium redevelopment project costing 20 million leaving the GAA covering 95% of the costs.

    Where are these free stadia that the GAA has got because I'm struggling to find a single solitary example?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Its just the usual FAI hatred of the "gah" as in post I responded to. Especially in Dublin these characters cannot stand the fact the GAA is vastly more popular in terms of attendances. You seriously have not seen the hatred these people have for us.

    They even changed the name of Hill 16 to "Northern Terrace" on tickets when we were silly enough to allow their sorry asses in the door before they begged off the IRFU.


    As for other matters, well they make Tony Soprano look like Mother Teresa :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    oh, on top of the 20 million of tax money being saught to redevelop the stadium fully from taxpayers funds (with not a cent from FAI), Dublin city council already gave Bohemians club 3.8 million in cash from the public purse for the existing stadium.

    which not only means they get a new shiny stadium for free but it saves the club, a private firm, from its debt problems.
    Bohemian FC cleared its multimillion-euro debt after selling Dalymount Park

    DUBLIN SOCCER CLUB Bohemian FC got rid of most of its debt and is now in a much stronger financial position after selling its famous stadium, Dalymount Park.

    New accounts just filed for the private firm behind the football club show that it almost broke even during its 2016 financial year.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/bohemians-dalymount-park-redevelop-3-3621608-Sep2017/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    oh, on top of the 20 million of tax money being saught to redevelop the stadium (with not a cent from FAI), Dublin city council already gave Bohemians club 3.8 million in cash for the existing stadium.

    which not only means they get a new shiny stadium for free but it saves the club, a private firm, from its debt problems.


    http://www.thejournal.ie/bohemians-dalymount-park-redevelop-3-3621608-Sep2017/


    A complete farce. And when they play that crowd squatting Tallaght it needs hundred of cops to police 2,000 people. Which probably costs around 100,000. There are more Gardaí at the laughably named "Dublin derby" than there are at Croke Park for All Ireland finals, and none of them are armed and wearing riot gear. Joke of a thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Bonniedog wrote:
    A complete farce. And when they play that crowd squatting Tallaght it needs hundred of cops to police 2,000 people. Which probably costs around 100,000. There are more Gardaí at the laughably named "Dublin derby" than there are at Croke Park for All Ireland finals, and none of them are armed and wearing riot gear. Joke of a thing.

    You need to post in the Popular GAA opinions thread!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Liam McHale 100% deserved to be sent off in the 1996 replay and Mayo fans should have actually criticized him for needlessly getting involved so blatantly and potentially costing them the All Ireland instead of McEnaney.

    There is a lot of ****e spoken in the county about that final. Liam McHale ****ed up but he doesn't get any of the criticism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,177 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    They should do something to reduce the amount of long range point scoring in hurling

    would agree with you only on frees though, minor incidents in midfield and now in opposing half are punished with a score which can often be too much.

    long range score from play are fine imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    would agree with you only on frees though, minor incidents in midfield and now in opposing half are punished with a score which can often be too much.

    long range score from play are fine imo.

    slightly heavier ball?
    the new balls with the standarised core are travelling ridiculous distances


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Cork's most recent All-ireland wins should be recorded as 2010 and 1973.

    The 1989 and 1990 wins should be recorded as the first wins by any combined team. A Cork/Kildare team in this case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭FCIM


    I love hurling, hate Gaelic football.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭liam7831


    You shouldn't be allowed palm the ball into the net in football it's not handball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    liam7831 wrote: »
    You shouldn't be allowed palm the ball into the net in football it's not handball

    Not be allowed fist (or in reality palm/handpass) over the bar either, for the same reason. No skill involved in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Jaysus what would you put Kildare's Leinsters down to then? How many?

    :)

    Had forgotten early Dub All-irelands won by country lads too. We've got work to do!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Offaly317216


    Anyone who says Gaelic Football is contrived/made up sport as a way of slighting it is a complete idiot.Every single sport in the world is a contrived/made up sport.

    Henry Shefflin although a great player was over rated.He was great but he should have been a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch and he wasn't and I don't think he'll be as loved by fans as a lot of other great hurlers were.

    Conor Counihan did a dreadful job with the Cork footballers they should have won at least 2 all irelands but were held back by poor management, put Jim Gavin in charge of them and they'd have cleaned up at the end of the 00's beginning of 10's.

    The high scoring nature of hurling has taken away from it, it needs to go back to the scoring levels of the 90's early 00's where 20 points was still considered a good score, nowadays it's below par.There is less hurling played in the game than they're should b because the ball is flying over peoples heads over and over again.

    Johnny Dooley was massively underrated, he should be regarded much more highly than he is, I've even heard people in Offaly idiotically say Joe Dooley was better than him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Offaly317216


    The sideline cut over the bar should still be worth two points. It's a fantastic skill and I believe we'd see less wides from a sideline if it was given more value. There's no better point than a sideline over the bar.



    The sideline cut being awarded 2 points is a stupid opinion that sadly seems to have a lot of support and i worry it will be introduced.

    A foul can be punished with conceding one point from a free but somehow a proper piece of defending like blocking a ball could be punished by conceding 2 points.

    Should a particularly skillful score that isn't from a sideline cut not be equally awarded a bonus point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Offaly317216


    Patww79 wrote: »
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    Bull****.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    The sideline cut being awarded 2 points is a stupid opinion that sadly seems to have a lot of support and i worry it will be introduced

    Hopefully it will so we can improve one of the most under-practiced and regularly wasted set-pieces in a great sport.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,432 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I love the GAA but never liked the Hard Man attitude.

    I think the Violence I have seen at some games has been shocking. I have seen lads noses broken and heads smash. and that's just at u16 games.

    DJ Carey was overrated. Brian Whelan was overrated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Offaly317216


    I love the GAA but never liked the Hard Man attitude.

    I think the Violence I have seen at some games has been shocking. I have seen lads noses broken and heads smash. and that's just at u16 games.

    DJ Carey was overrated. Brian Whelan was overrated.


    Brian Whelahan wasn't overrated .There is a reason he was on the team of the millenium. He's one of if not the greatest big game player the sport has seen.He also played the game with a stylishness that few backs ever have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    The GAA community in general. I love hurling and football but find the 'community' to be a shallow, closed-minded, sanctimonious, spiteful bunch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Hopefully it will so we can improve one of the most under-practiced and regularly wasted set-pieces in a great sport.


    The two points for a sideline was in force, maybe just for the league, not that long ago. Only players I recall doing it regularly were Canning and Alan McCrabbe of Dublin.

    If you look at sidelines, the % call is surely to drop it in. Very rare that you see anyone putting them over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,432 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Brian Whelahan wasn't overrated .There is a reason he was on the team of the millenium. He's one of if not the greatest big game player the sport has seen.He also played the game with a stylishness that few backs ever have.

    Yes hence why he was overrated. Good but that was some kind of joke award


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Offaly317216


    Yes hence why he was overrated. Good but that was some kind of joke award


    He fully deserved it, he was a great great player who performed brilliantly for both club and county.

    He was also named on the Leinster team of the period 1984-2009 so it wasn't just one panel who thought he was great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,432 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Don't agree. He was not even best Half back at the time, never mind over 100 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Rumple Stillson


    Don't agree. He was not even best Half back at the time, never mind over 100 years.

    Watched a lot of Brian Whelehan, certainly the best half back of his era, undoubtedly the most talented hurler I have ever seen and scored 1-6 in an all Ireland final to boot!

    Would love to know who you considered a better half back in his era?

    Think Tommy Walsh has probably eclipsed him but he was a super hurler, hence the widespread recognition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,432 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Watched a lot of Brian Whelehan, certainly the best half back of his era, undoubtedly the most talented hurler I have ever seen and scored 1-6 in an all Ireland final to boot!

    Would love to know who you considered a better half back in his era?

    Think Tommy Walsh has probably eclipsed him but he was a super hurler, hence the widespread recognition.

    Brain Corcoran was far better Hurler all round. Was Super in 1999, but was Super in a Cork team that was awful from 1993 to 1998


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Whelehan was brilliant hurler. anyone who disputes that has some prejudice against Offaly or the man himself. Personally I would rate Walsh as the best half back, but that's just opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Rumple Stillson


    Brain Corcoran was far better Hurler all round. Was Super in 1999, but was Super in a Cork team that was awful from 1993 to 1998

    A great player but not at the same level as Whelehan. I think the accolades Whelehan got recognises this. Broadly similar achievements playing wise but the skill level, style and class that Whelehan played the game with will always separate him from other players of his generation. Just magic to watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,432 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    A great player but not at the same level as Whelehan. I think the accolades Whelehan got recognises this. Broadly similar achievements playing wise but the skill level, style and class that Whelehan played the game with will always separate him from other players of his generation. Just magic to watch.

    ah stop.

    MOTM in 1992 AI at 19 too. Get away with that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Offaly317216


    ah stop.

    MOTM in 1992 AI at 19 too. Get away with that



    Which does nothing to counter the point made in the post above.

    Corcoran was a great player nobody is disputing that but Whelahan had something special about him, he played the game with an ease and style that very few could.I never remember him sprinting in a game yet he was always in the right place when needed.He was unbelievably good at reading the game.

    Whelehan won man of the match in 2 all ireland finals and in a few club all ireland finals aswell.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Rumple Stillson


    ah stop.

    MOTM in 1992 AI at 19 too. Get away with that

    Hey if he was in the same class as Whelehan he might have made the team of the millennium!

    Anyway two great hurlers and I don't think either are overrated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭gammygils


    PARlance wrote: »
    It's probably the fairest/most just system for a big event that I've ever come across. Most loyal supporters (those lucky enough to be in the schemes).are guaranteed tickets. Clubs are given responsibility to allocate to their members.

    It's not perfect, nothing is. There will be lots of corporate etc, demand will always be far greater than supply and someone's annoying American girlfriend will always manage to get one... but it's an excellent way to handle tickets.

    Every Club in the country (and even overseas) being allocated tickets to an All-Ireland Final even though only 4 counties max are playing doesn't sound very fair to me. The amount of neutrals at this years All- Ireland Hurling Final. And they're there not supporting either team while wearing their Club jackets from Tipp, Kilkenny, Louth, Kildare or where ever! And yet there's thousands watching the game on the Big Screen in Eyre Square because they couldn't get tickets! Just because they are Treasurer/Secretary of some club & they want a day out. Fair enough they paid 80 yoyos for their ticket.

    But this to me is JUST WRONG!!! And if this is an unpopular GAA opinion then so be it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    gammygils wrote: »
    Every Club in the country (and even overseas) being allocated tickets to an All-Ireland Final even though only 4 counties max are playing doesn't sound very fair to me. The amount of neutrals at this years All- Ireland Hurling Final. And they're there not supporting either team while wearing their Club jackets from Tipp, Kilkenny, Louth, Kildare or where ever! And yet there's thousands watching the game on the Big Screen in Eyre Square because they couldn't get tickets! Just because they are Treasurer/Secretary of some club & they want a day out. Fair enough they paid 80 yoyos for their ticket.

    But this to me is JUST WRONG!!! And if this is an unpopular GAA opinion then so be it!

    Most clubs around the country use those tickets to fundraise.
    The winners could come from anywhere as we have lads selling tickets in about 4 counties


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    The sideline cut being awarded 2 points is a stupid opinion that sadly seems to have a lot of support and i worry it will be introduced.

    .

    100%

    2 points down in injury time and a pure hit and hope can see you draw a match in an instant

    It was trialled before and thankfully not introduced, so please God that's the end of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭randd1


    The Munster Championship is holding back hurling, and this is purely from the point that an All-Ireland competition should not be based on the provincial setup. With Leinster now pretty much the Leinster and counties from the other provinces championship, Munster is the last barrier to an open draw type championship which is fairer for all concerned, and easier to plan. By all mean keep the provincials, but as a separate cup competition run alongside the national league.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭cms88


    This will probably be a very unpopular one but thats the point.

    I feel Dublin at the moment are benefiting from a somewhat poor time for football.

    Themselves and Mayo are the top two with Kerry and Tyrone a bit behind, and after that there's no one who i feel a near winning or even making the final of the All-Ireland.

    Compared to the 00's when you had Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cork able to and winning All-Irleands in that time. Outside of those you had the likes of Monaghan, Derry, Laois, Westmeath, and even Fermanagh, Limerick and Sligo, who could put it up to teams who on paper were at a higher level. In that time the above teams all had big wins over ''top'' teams something that i don't think would happen today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    cms88 wrote: »
    This will probably be a very unpopular one but thats the point.

    I feel Dublin at the moment are benefiting from a somewhat poor time for football.

    Themselves and Mayo are the top two with Kerry and Tyrone a bit behind, and after that there's no one who i feel a near winning or even making the final of the All-Ireland.

    Compared to the 00's when you had Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cork able to and winning All-Irleands in that time. Outside of those you had the likes of Monaghan, Derry, Laois, Westmeath, and even Fermanagh, Limerick and Sligo, who could put it up to teams who on paper were at a higher level. In that time the above teams all had big wins over ''top'' teams something that i don't think would happen today

    Mayo have lost to Galway two years in a row and were brought to extra time/replays by Derry, Roscommon and Cork

    I think people look back nostalgically at old time and forget that the problems there now in football have always been there but just get more coverage now


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Diarmuid Connolly is a great talent but overrated. I'd argue that Paul Flynn has contributed a greater amount for Dublin over the last 7-8 years (bar the last 1 or 2 when injury/age has caught up). He has superb talent but definitely doesn't stand alongside the very best forwards of the last 10-15 years (Gooch, Canavan) which I've heard people try to argue.

    Bernard Brogan was one of the greatest corner forwards I've ever seen for a period, but he steadily declined shortly after his peak and hasn't actually been one of the Countries top forwards for 4-5 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Diarmuid Connolly is a great talent but overrated. I'd argue that Paul Flynn has contributed a greater amount for Dublin over the last 7-8 years (bar the last 1 or 2 when injury/age has caught up). He has superb talent but definitely doesn't stand alongside the very best forwards of the last 10-15 years (Gooch, Canavan) which I've heard people try to argue.

    Bernard Brogan was one of the greatest corner forwards I've ever seen for a period, but he steadily declined shortly after his peak and hasn't actually been one of the Countries top forwards for 4-5 years.

    DC is a completely different player to Canavan,Gooch,B Brogan. He is a playmaker. His game is about getting on the ball and creating chances for others. 12-70 in 48 championship games isn't too bad for a modern half forward


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Gael85 wrote: »
    DC is a completely different player to Canavan,Gooch,B Brogan. He is a playmaker. His game is about getting on the ball and creating chances for others. 12-69 in 47 championship games isn't too back for a modern half forward

    I know, but I don't think DC has influenced his team as significantly as they have. There have been seasons where he hasn't quite done it on the big day. His discipline has effected his team negatively several times, meaning that he was surplus this most recent season.

    Overall he's managed two all stars despite apparently being one of the great forwards of his generation, in one of the greatest sides of all time. Not that all stars are the be all and end all metric, but I don't think he deserved any more than two, and I don't remember his ever being close to winning POTY.

    And a final point, Lee Keegan (who I consider one of the greats of the last 4-5 years) has gotten the better of him on at least a few occasions.


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