Talented Irish People Who Deserve More Respect

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

Why would McManus pay tax in ireland if he doesn't owe any?

That would be just silly.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

O'Leary lives here. JP doesn't. how can you dodge something you are not obliged to pay? its not that hard to understand.

Eh, he doesn't owe any because in order to avoid paying tax to this state he has registered himself as being resident outside the state. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand how tax dodging by rich people works.

What is infinitely less hard to understand is why people who aren't rich, and who are perhaps paying 50% of their income in tax to this state, feel the need to put these Irish tax dodgers on a pedestal for, of all things, their "generosity" to Ireland.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Eh, he doesn't owe any because in order to avoid paying tax to this state he has registered himself as being resident outside the state. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand how tax dodging by rich people works.

What is infinitely less hard to understand is why people who aren't rich, and who are perhaps paying 50% of their income in tax to this state, feel the need to put these Irish tax dodgers on a pedestal for, of all things, their "generosity" to Ireland.

he lives outside the state. why is that so hard for you to understand? there is no tax dodging.

Sam Hain

DellyBelly wrote: »

Kathryn Thomas. Thin she is a fantastic presenter and seems to be able to turn her hand to anything. Also one of the most gorgeous women in the country also helps.

Such nonsense. Only in Ireland would she be considered a beauty, another short-arsed, dim, vaccuous media type who thinks she's far more talented and better-looking than she really is. RTE seem to have a horn for these types of average looking girls with cliched opinions and no real discernible talent of any kind. Its an utter disgrace that she is even mentioned in the same breath as some of the people mentioned in this thread. Shame on you.

ToddyDoody

Pat Kenny. A much needed bland voice in an oftimes turbulent country.

Stonedpilot

Microdisney cool old school band.

Frank and Walters, amazing Cork band.

Cheer up, great song!.

https://youtu.be/pjYat5b7hYY

Sonny678

The above contributer is wrong about saying Hendrix didn't priase Rory. Rory was on a plane and Hendrix was on the same plane. Rory was to shy to go up to Hendrix (Rory was a very shy man off stage) and talk to him and thank him for his comments. Both Rory and his band Taste and Hendrix played at the legendary Isle of Wight 1970 festival. For most people who attended the festival it was Rorys Taste which stole the show not Hendrix at the festival. Hendrix is the daddy of guitarists. And deservedly so. He is the Pele of guitarist. A bona vide genius. The word genius is way overused in music. There really was only a handful of geniuses in music eg Lennon Brian Wilson. Hendrix was one of them. So for Rory to be held in such acclaim by Hendrix says allot.

John Lennon was an admirer of Rorys also. While Jagger and Richards tried to even get Rory into their band, The Stones. So if Hendrix, Lennon, Jagger and Richards were all fans of this young Cork man's work. If Rory was good enough for some of the greatest musicians and artists of all time that's says how special a talent Gallagher was. How many Irish artists work has been admired and praised by Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon , Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. Only one artist.

Rorys peers highly rated Rory and so did future guitarist. The Edge has said Taste first album and the song Blister on the Sun was a massive influence on him. Johnny Marr the greatest British guitarist of the last 35 years said he was a massive Rory fan. And the first album he learned to play from start to finish was Rory Gallaghers Deuce. In 1974 Melody Maker readers voted Rory the best guitarist in the world. Melody Maker was a massive magazine in UK at the time. And remeber they could have voted UK guitarist like Clapton Beck Richards and most notably Page. But this young man from Cork was voted number 1 ahead of all the above at a time when it was not a cool or even popular to be Irish in Britain at the time.

Rory was a great guitarist. But I feel people concentrate to much on that and forget to realise what a brillant songwriter he was. He produced 1 great album after another. The only Irish artists who have as strong back catalogue as Rory was Van and U2. But I think the guitar solo was in vogue at the time. This kind takes some people away from focusing on his songwriting skills.

He also was a blues musician. A proper one. Blues is one great music genres of the last century. One of the real authentic genres. Rory was proper blues musician. Unlike the overated Eric Clapton who yes old slow hand did play on a few of the best guitarist solos ever in Traffics Sunshine, Layla and While my Guitar gently Weeps but was not a proper blues musician like Gallagher.

Sonny678

While Slash from Guns n Roses and James Dean Bradfield from Manic Street preachers said Rory was an inspiration in their formative years.
Eric Clapton said the reason he got back into the blues was because of Rory Gallagher.
Lead guitarists from Def Leppard Judas Priest and Iron Maiden also said Rory was an inspiration on them as guitarists in their formative years.
Queens Brian May was a massive fan also of Rorys. Rory had an a massive influence on Brian Mays guitar playing. May tells the story of how he and his friend went up to Rory after a concert and asked Rory how he got his sound? . Rory explained to May and his friend how he played guitar. May said later "So I owe Rory Gallagher my sound" .
Rory was voted one of the greatest guitars ever of all time in Rolling Stone magazine.
I could go on and on.

Ulysses Gaze

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Eh no..many of us are culchies unfamiliar with the hidden talents of Grafton Street.

Hence why I said most, not all.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Slash campaigns every year to have Rory Gallagher inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

He deserves it. Respected and revered by guitarmen everywhere.

Purple Mountain

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Hence why I said most, not all.

There are statistically more of us than of you!!

Allinall

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eh, he doesn't owe any because in order to avoid paying tax to this state he has registered himself as being resident outside the state. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand how tax dodging by rich people works.

What is infinitely less hard to understand is why people who aren't rich, and who are perhaps paying 50% of their income in tax to this state, feel the need to put these Irish tax dodgers on a pedestal for, of all things, their "generosity" to Ireland.

I've an uncle who has lived in Canada for the last 30 years.

Should he pay tax in ireland ( He is definitely Irish)?

Ralf and Florian

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Think, if memory serves, he was asked what it was like to be the best guitarist in world and he responded: "I don't know, you'll have to ask Rory Gallagher"

DickSwiveller wrote: »

That's a myth. Never happened.

Nice story but just an urban legend. There's no evidence Hendrix ever said that.

Ipso

DickSwiveller wrote: »

John Waters

John Waters is a personification of our fantasies, of our sense of what we were becoming, of how we might unfold ourselves. He iss not the only one, but in the immediate past was perhaps the most spectacular light on the skyline, a meteorite of desire plummeting through the Irish zeitgeist

Ralf and Florian

Ipso wrote: »

John Waters is a personification of our fantasies, of our sense of what we were becoming, of how we might unfold ourselves. He iss not the only one, but in the immediate past was perhaps the most spectacular light on the skyline, a meteorite of desire plummeting through the Irish zeitgeist

John Waters will be remembered for getting Sinead O Connor up the spout and not a whole lot else.

spurious

Gilbert O'Sullivan, Leslie Dowdall.

AnneFrank

Some people getting a hard on over rory gallagher here, cool down! Never saw the attraction myself

Oops!

Millions did....

chatticusfinch

DickSwiveller wrote: »

John Waters

Considering he hand in writing that woeful You'll Never Stop the Spring Eurovision song, he deserves less respect.

Ipso

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he lives outside the state. why is that so hard for you to understand? there is no tax dodging.

It's tax avoidance. Many confuse it with tax evasion.

Sonny678

AnneFrank wrote:

Some people getting a hard on over rory gallagher here, cool down! Never saw the attraction myself

Well you don't see the attraction. Well 30 million people saw the attraction and they cannot all be wrong ( He sold 30 million records.) His peers and music all time legends saw the attraction.
Admired by his peers as one of the best eg Hendrix Lennon Clapton Jagger and Richards. And inspired a generation of guitarist eg The Edge Johnny Marr Slash Brian May James Dean Bradfield and many many more.

Name 1 Irish artist to have influenced so many future international artists and was so well admired and held in such high esteem as Gallagher. Probaly only Van.Maybe Thin Lizzy but probaly not on Rory or Vans level. U2 are phenomenonal sucessful band. But they have allot of detractors. Unfairly so. But they do.

So who would I see as better judge of music John lennon, Keith Richards, Eric Clapton, The Edge, Slash, Brian May and Johnny Marr or some individual on the Internet. Who probaly thinks the Scripts latest album is a modern Irish masterpiece or that A House conquered the USA or the Stunning changed face of modern indie music.

No artist with the exception of Van U2 and Thin Lizzy achieved a level of international sucess and acclaim then Rory. He is criminally ignored. Anyone who doesn't rate him. Knows nothing about the blues . Knows nothing about proper heartfelt meaningful soulful music full stop.

Sonny678

Ralf and Florian wrote:

Nice story but just an urban legend. There's no evidence Hendrix ever said that.

The story maybe a variat of an urban legend. But we do know that Hendrix rated Rory very highly. As well as John Lennon who also rated Rory highly.As I said at the British Woodstock, the greatest music festival in the history of British music, The Isle of Wight in 1970. Where The Who Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen and many more all time greats like Hendrix where on the bill.( It is seen as mother of all festivals in Britain). And Rory and Taste where seen as the standout performance of the three days. Better then the best rock band ever eg The Who. Better then best guitarist ever eg Hendrix. Better then best female singer songwriter ever eg Mitchell. And better then probaly one of the greatest singer songwriter ever ( Only Dylan is probaly ever) eg Cohen. Who outshone all these legend's. A young man in early 20s raised on the streets of Cork and born in Ballyshannon.

Only U2 at live Aid in 85 has an Irish artist made such an impact at an special music occasion or festival . The only other was Taste in 1970. U2 had to be better then feckin Status Quo. Rory had to outperform Hendrix. Beat that.

dasdog

Sonny678 wrote: »

Name 1 Irish artist to have influenced so many future international artists and was so well admired and held in such high esteem as Gallagher. Probaly only Van.Maybe Thin Lizzy but probaly not on Rory or Vans level.

The Clancy Brothers maybe? They never get a mention.

Louis Stewart was an amazing talent too.

Grandeeod

Sonny678 wrote: »

Well you don't see the attraction. Well 30 million people saw the attraction and they cannot all be wrong ( He sold 30 million records.) His peers and music all time legends saw the attraction.
Admired by his peers as one of the best eg Hendrix Lennon Clapton Jagger and Richards. And inspired a generation of guitarist eg The Edge Johnny Marr Slash Brian May James Dean Bradfield and many many more.

Name 1 Irish artist to have influenced so many future international artists and was so well admired and held in such high esteem as Gallagher. Probaly only Van.Maybe Thin Lizzy but probaly not on Rory or Vans level. U2 are phenomenonal sucessful band. But they have allot of detractors. Unfairly so. But they do.

So who would I see as better judge of music John lennon, Keith Richards, Eric Clapton, The Edge, Slash, Brian May and Johnny Marr or some individual on the Internet. Who probaly thinks the Scripts latest album is a modern Irish masterpiece or that A House conquered the USA or the Stunning changed face of modern indie music.

No artist with the exception of Van U2 and Thin Lizzy achieved a level of international sucess and acclaim then Rory. He is criminally ignored. Anyone who doesn't rate him. Knows nothing about the blues . Knows nothing about proper heartfelt meaningful soulful music full stop.

I think you are being unfair to Rory in the context of this thread. He is legendary and has and deserves the vast amount of respect he gets. Fook the young assholes on the internet. I only saw Rory live once and that was Self Aid in 1986. Un fooking believable! We lost him way too early.

Ipso

dasdog wrote: »

The Clancy Brothers maybe? They never get a mention.

Louis Stewart was an amazing talent too.

Bob Dylan supposedly holds the Clancy brothers in very high regard.

chatticusfinch

dasdog wrote: »

The Clancy Brothers maybe? They never get a mention.

Louis Stewart was an amazing talent too.

Liam Clancy used to have to tune Bob Dylan's guitar for him when he got started on the folk scene in New York. Liam Clancy in particular is a terribly underrated individual.

chatticusfinch

Ipso wrote: »

Bob Dylan supposedly holds the Clancy brothers in very high regard.

Water John

I think Liam actually taught Dylan the guitar.

Sad, he wasn't able to tune Dylan's voice, but that is one of its attractions.

AnneFrank

Sonny678 wrote: »

Well you don't see the attraction. Well 30 million people saw the attraction and they cannot all be wrong ( He sold 30 million records.) His peers and music all time legends saw the attraction.
Admired by his peers as one of the best eg Hendrix Lennon Clapton Jagger and Richards. And inspired a generation of guitarist eg The Edge Johnny Marr Slash Brian May James Dean Bradfield and many many more.

Name 1 Irish artist to have influenced so many future international artists and was so well admired and held in such high esteem as Gallagher. Probaly only Van.Maybe Thin Lizzy but probaly not on Rory or Vans level. U2 are phenomenonal sucessful band. But they have allot of detractors. Unfairly so. But they do.

So who would I see as better judge of music John lennon, Keith Richards, Eric Clapton, The Edge, Slash, Brian May and Johnny Marr or some individual on the Internet. Who probaly thinks the Scripts latest album is a modern Irish masterpiece or that A House conquered the USA or the Stunning changed face of modern indie music.

No artist with the exception of Van U2 and Thin Lizzy achieved a level of international sucess and acclaim then Rory. He is criminally ignored. Anyone who doesn't rate him. Knows nothing about the blues . Knows nothing about proper heartfelt meaningful soulful music full stop.

One man's legend, is another's man's alco

Sonny678

dasdog wrote:

The Clancy Brothers maybe? They never get a mention.

The Clancy Brothers were wonderful singers and musicians. Liam Clancy had a wonderful voice. And Bob Dylan was influenced by the Clancy Brothers. But the Clancy Brothers were a traditional old fashioned folk group. They represented old Ireland pre 1960s. Rory Gallagher represented a new exciting modern Ireland. Modern Ireland in music or film begins with Taste. Before Rory there was nothing . Showbands where great fun and mighty crack. But they were cover version bands. Yes I know Rory learnt his trade with a showband. But by the time he set up Taste. He was on a different level, unimaginable beforehand. Sheridan winnng Oscars for My Left Foot, U2 conquering the world with The Joshua Tree, Sinead O Connor having number 1 single in America. Rory was our first artist to kick down the door for Irish artists everywhere. He showed it was possible for an Irish kid to produce modern exciting music.

He was at the centre of rock music at the time when it was golden age of pop music and rock music. A time when rock music could change the world eg Vietnam War; lennon Give Peace a Chance, Creedance Fortunate Son etc.
Rock at the time was an exciting new and mind blowing genre. It has never been as good or as essential as it was in the late 60s and throughout the 70s. And yet a young fella from Cork was blowing peoples mind with his music all over the world and was so highly admired among greats and peers.

Rory stands alone. And definitely doesn't get the credit he deserves in Ireland. If he was from any other counties similar to Irelands size they would name streets after him and much more. Sure they have a street named after him in France. Yes there is Statues in Belfast Cork and Ballyshannon. But in other countries say Denmark or Slovenia a country our size they would have named an airport after him. Cork airport should be called Rory Gallagher airport. It's the least we can do for one of our greats.

Sonny678

AnneFrank wrote:

One man's legend, is another's man's alco

What does that even mean. I think lennon Jagger Richards May and Hendrix know something about music. They probably have written some of the greatest music ever written . If they admired Rory it shows how bloody good he was. The Stones were the biggest band in the world in the early 70s. And at the height of their powers. Probaly only the Beatles could be seen as a greater outfit in rock music. And yet they could have asked anyone to join. But they asked Rory. Most artist would have given their left hand to join one of the greatest rock bands in history of music. But Rory had the ability confidence and talent to say no. And go onto create a career of music unparalleled, songs and a back catalogue that was unparalleled in Irish music with the exception of U2 and Van.

For Forks Sake

buried wrote: »

Eddie Lenihan. Irish Seanchatorytelling master. Here he is over in Moscow entertaining a shop full of people packed in to see him. Deserves far more respect. Some of his stories would frighten the p!ss out of you. Heard one of the mainstream radio presenters really badly interviewing the man recently, the presenter thought he was interviewing Bosco or some $hit. Anyways, Eddie Lenihan, internationaly famous, real Irish culture living legend.

GHOSHTS!!


Eddie's some legend alright.

Stojkovic

David Coverdale also said that Deep Purple considered Rory Gallagher as a replacement for Richie Blackmore.

Sonny678

Stojkovic wrote:

David Coverdale also said that Deep Purple considered Rory Gallagher as a replacement for Richie Blackmore.

And Blackmore is seen as one of the best guitarist ever. A man who created the whole heavy mental sound. Bands like Deep Purple and The Stones would only replace members with serious talent as both bands were creating all time great music. It just shows you how good Rory .

Sonny678

As I said naming Cork airport after Rory would be a lovely gesture and the right thing to do. Liverpool named their airport after John lennon. Belfast airport is the George Best airport. Renaming Cork airport after one of it'd favourite sons would be the proper thing to do
Rory Gallagher Cork Airport or Rory Gallagher International Cork Airport has a nice ring to it.

Tommy Ferguson

John Spillane a cork legend.

IRSH MAN

DickSwiveller wrote: »

John Waters

absolutely disgraceful the way the media took sides with Panti Bliss

Quazzie

Del2005 wrote: »

Jonathan Rea, triple world champion and never a mention in the press


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Rea

He isn't Irish

mr_edge_to_you

Witchie wrote: »

Just listening to Paddy Casey here and can't for the life of me figure out how he wasn't a global star. Also the Stunning, Something Happens and Whipping Boy should all have be more popular elsewhere.

Heartworm should be classed as a national treasure.

Sonny678

There is a tendency for people to say this band and that band should have made it outside Ireland. Most that didn't make it just weren't good enough . They might have been the best band in Ireland and better then any band in Germany France Spain or Italy or any other part of Europe. But there was better bands in Britain USA or Canada at the time. As a country we do box above our weight musically. There is probaly bands in any Dublin town at the moment that is better then bands in the rest of Europe put together ( with the exception of the UK).

After USA Canada and UK Ireland produces the most sales/ best musical acts( Australia I think is not to far of Ireland). For a small country our size that is very impressive. Scotland is another country that boxes above it weight musically.( The amount of great acts that come from Scotland is staggering . Franz Ferdinard , Belle and Sebastian , Orange Juice , Jesus and The Mary Chain, Primal Scream, Teenage Fan Club, Aztec Camera, The Blue Nike, Nazareth and up today with Biffy Clyro.)

But not every group which comes from Ireland and has the album of the year and a big following here where good enough to be sucessful abroad. The Stunning Coronas and Picturehouse just didn't stand out enough. Paddy Casey and allot of the other singer songwriter from the Celtic Tigers years none of them really stoodout either . Declan O Rourke and David Kitt showed promise. But not enough to make it across the pond. I admired Damien Rice sucess but could never understand how his Jeff Buckley sub standard style mamkish ballads were so sucessful. But fair play to him. He did sell 1 million with O. It's some achievement. Bel X 1 had there moments. And our top guys. But I think they tried to copy Talking Heads to much. And Talking Heads are one of the most unique and distinctive bands ever. They had allot of potential though.

The Frames were good but I think they probaly tried to sound like The Pixies at the start. And when they brought the noise down. They found their sound. While I think while they had two cracking songs at the start of their career in Revelate and Fitzcarldo. It was not until For the Birds they found themselves.

A House and Something Happens were for 4 or 5 years fighting for the title as the best band in the country. And both were unlucky not to make a breakthrough at the time also. But the two bands that were very unlucky and were good enough to break UK and US where The Blades and Whipping Boy. Cleary was an excellent songwriter. And in the late 70s and early 80s the Blades were best band in the country and miles better then U2. U2 had unbelievable drive and a brillant manager. And the decision to bring Lanois and Eno on board in 1983 was a massive game changer for the band. I think The Blades were unlucky.

Whipping Boy had it all . Great songs. Great front man. Great Image. We dont need anybody else is one of the greatest Irish singles ever. Dark and menacing, it is a masterpiece. They could have been great. And they needed to follow that up with another strong album. But that was it. It's kind of the Stone Roses syndrome. They only had one great album in them. But like The Stone Roses , what a great album both bands produced. Definatly Whipping Boy and The Blades were the two that could have done it.

A band that did do it. And should be mentioned here. A band who had massive impact music in the early 90s. But get very little mention. And that is My Bloody Valentine. Loveless is also an Irish masterpiece. Right up their with Astral Weeks. Had a massive impact outside Ireland. Was groundbreaking and innovative. It was not the easiest to listen at the start. I for one took a while to get it. But now I realise one of the most innovative and best bands in the world in the early 90s was an Irish band called My Bloody Valentine.

Ralf and Florian

Cathal Coughlan. Frontman of Microdisney and Fatima Mansions and one of the most criminally underrated songwriters to emerge from Ireland in the 80's.

Sonny678

Agree. Microdisney particularly are very under appreciated. For many people Microdisneys The Clock comes down the Stairs is the best Irish album of the 80s. I have heard people call it the best album of the 80s anywhere. I think the Sunday Tribune voted this album the best album of the 1980s in 1989. Town to Town is a cracking single and even charted in the UK at the time. Coughlan and O Hagan are one of the greatest Irish songwriting partnership ever. Up there with the other two great songwriter partnerships of the 80s The Smiths Morrissey and Marr and The Go Betweens Mclennan and Foster. ( And of course The Go Betweens are the most underrated band ever and one of the greatest bands ever, Australias finest musical export along with Nick Cave. The Go Betweens were actually a better band then The Smiths. Only REM produced a better run of albums/songs in the 80s then The Go Betweens).

take everything

The likes of Father Peter McVerry and Brother Kevin Crowley of the Capuchin Day Centre are two people who are the antithesis of the venality of many people today.

They are genuine heroes and largely unregarded by the "important" people.

Starscream25

Gonna say Tim Wheeler and Ash, maybe not in the same league as some of the heavy weights mentioned but they've had number 1 albums and some fantastic singles along the way. They played Wembley recently supporting Weezer and have been around the block long enough yet are rarely mentioned.

kingtiger

AnneFrank wrote: »

Some people getting a hard on over rory gallagher here, cool down! Never saw the attraction myself

from someone who posts in X-Factor threads

LOL what a belly laugh right there

BuilderPlumber

There are so many who are not heard of because the media offer zero support. All this modern poor stuff in all fields has taken the space of proper talent. Mrs Brown and that type is the only comedy promoted while in music, it is boybands, awful modern country music and talent competitions.

New years eve on RTE gave one an indication of what gets pushed. A concert of modern bland bands who do only their own material. This emphasis on original material and the latest phrase they use 'writing albums' has produced some pile of poor songs. This is why modern Irish music has become so one sided and these performers cannot sing anything other than stuff they wrote themselves. Good singer songwriters will do their own songs and do covers and keep things varied and interesting. Of course Mrs Brown has to be on too and surely to god there is more to offer than a crude comedy and a bland concert. Because this is all is pushed, no one else can get an opportunity to show the country what they have to offer.

Dr Crayfish

Sonny678 wrote: »

As I said naming Cork airport after Rory would be a lovely gesture and the right thing to do. Liverpool named their airport after John lennon. Belfast airport is the George Best airport. Renaming Cork airport after one of it'd favourite sons would be the proper thing to do
Rory Gallagher Cork Airport or Rory Gallagher International Cork Airport has a nice ring to it.

The reality is the majority of Irish people including myself couldn’t hum one song by this guy. And I have always been into music. An airport ffs, give me a break.

mzungu

Kevin Shields. MBV had some great tunes.

retalivity

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

The reality is the majority of Irish people including myself couldn’t hum one song by this guy. And I have always been into music. An airport ffs, give me a break.

Tbh, that just betrays your own musical ignorance.

Dr Crayfish

retalivity wrote: »

Tbh, that just betrays your own musical ignorance.

An Irish musical legend but are you really saying he has a song or a tune that everyone here would know? I know enough about him to know he was supremely talented but naming an airport?

darkdubh

Roger Doyle the only Irish person to get on the Nurse With wound list.