Saudi Arabia and Iran war talk!

Canis Lupus

NIMAN wrote: »

Hope I'm not offending anyone here, but I couldn't give a monkeys if these two blow the hell out of each other.

Would it make petrol more expensive?

NIMAN

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Would it make petrol more expensive?

It may slightly, but still wouldn't care. I'm sure others will fill any supply problems.

One of my cars is electric.

Riddle101

Crazy situation for Iran. Only last month there was a thread on here about Iran going to war with Israel, and now we have one about Iran going to war with Saudi Arabia. I think it's fair to say that if war did break out, Iran would probably end up fighting against Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the United States. So the outlook looks grim for Iran.

NIMAN

Those folk in that region are all talk, little action.
I don't expect any war to happen.

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NIMAN wrote: »

Those folk in that region are all talk, little action.
I don't expect any war to happen.

You’re right. It’s a stable place.

Guy Sajer

It's all to boost weapon sales which is a great economy boost in a time of recession worldwide. Funny how all war tensions follow eachother and never coincide.

Mars Bar

We had warning siren tests here in kuwait during the week. I didn't hear them so I'm ****ed if they decide to trample on kuwait!

Ronaldinho

Guy Sajer wrote: »

in a time of recession worldwide.

Where is there a recession right now?

Gatling

Mars Bar wrote: »

We had warning siren tests here in kuwait during the week. I didn't hear them so I'm ****ed if they decide to trample on kuwait!

Considering they fired a scud type missle at Saudi last week I'd be a little worried especially as the rebels have come into a lot of weapons that were not in Yemen until very recently ,as seen in East ukraine when flight MH17 was shot down

Doltanian

If Iran and Saudi Arabia go to War then the pendulum of momentum will be firmly with Iran. Iran has 80 million people, Saudi has 30 million but around 12 million of those are modern day slaves and other foreigners in the country, once war breaks out there will be a mass exodus back to India and the Philippines etc.

The Saudis are generally inept and have no war experience, their population is largely obese and lazy with a culture of wealth and slavery. The Iranians are totally different and the Iranians have the numbers, also don't forget Russia will back Iran 100% in the war as it is no secret that Russia hates the Saudis. Iran is a nuclear state and could also draw support from North Korea. I do think if Saudi Arabia provokes Iran then it will start off a third world war.

War will come but in what form and the last few years remind me of the lead up towards the second world war. Israel should keep its nose within its borders in any conflict because a Nuclear exchange could happen very easily.

Odhinn

Gatling wrote: »

There both as bad as each other but it's going to come to a head at some point ,
Could be a very dangerous situation for both but you get the feeling that it's going to come down to who's got the best backers in an all out war

No, there's no equivalence. The gulf states are the source of the wahabi teachings that give rise to Islamic extremism. If it comes to a head being chopped, odds are they're to blame indirectly or directly

Gatling

Doltanian wrote: »

If Iran and Saudi Arabia go to War then the pendulum of momentum will be firmly with Iran. Iran has 80 million people, Saudi has 30 million but around 12 million of those are modern day slaves and other foreigners in the country, once war breaks out there will be a mass exodus back to India and the Philippines etc.

The Saudis are generally inept and have no war experience, their population is largely obese and lazy with a culture of wealth and slavery. The Iranians are totally different and the Iranians have the numbers, also don't forget Russia will back Iran 100% in the war as it is no secret that Russia hates the Saudis. Iran is a nuclear state and could also draw support from North Korea. I do think if Saudi Arabia provokes Iran then it will start off a third world war.

It won't come down to population size , remember Iran has been surpressing it's own population for decades ,
Don't see how NK comes into it at considering they are totally safely locked up inside of their own borders ,
Saudi has its own big backers to and Iran won't be able to effectively fight against land sea and air attacks from nearly every direction ,
And they have to shift massive amount of men a and equipment either through Iraq which won't happen or by sea leaving them wide open to been hammered before getting off any ships

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Odhinn

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

You lot should head over to this forum https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057795670/1
Sign up for a game of RISK.

You’d all be brilliant at it

A stimulating evening, sitting in my Rubber Fuhrer suit and testing my mettle against my fellows.

Mars Bar

Gatling wrote: »

Considering they fired a scud type missle at Saudi last week I'd be a little worried especially as the rebels have come into a lot of weapons that were not in Yemen until very recently ,as seen in East ukraine when flight MH17 was shot down

I'm outta here in two weeks anyway so not worried for myself.

Zebra3

Riddle101 wrote: »

Crazy situation for Iran. Only last month there was a thread on here about Iran going to war with Israel, and now we have one about Iran going to war with Saudi Arabia. I think it's fair to say that if war did break out, Iran would probably end up fighting against Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the United States. So the outlook looks grim for Iran.

Mad that there’s all these threads about Iran “going to war” when it’s the other countries actually at war and looking for more bloodletting. :rolleyes:

Mutant z

Like with Iraq Iran won't attack Saudi unless provoked,the crazy Saudi's on the other hand who have been funding the terrorist groups in Syria and the very Islamic terrorism which has attacked Europe are not likely to show the same kind of restraint.

Hammer89

Will this war be fought with sand blasters instead of guns?

Riddle101

Zebra3 wrote: »

Mad that there’s all these threads about Iran “going to war” when it’s the other countries actually at war and looking for more bloodletting. :rolleyes:

True. Iran doesn't seem to be the aggressors, but it's likely that they will have to fight a war in the future if a resolution for peace can't be found.

The_Valeyard

I am surprised with the Saudi action in Yemen, I thought with all the latest and high tech gear they have, that the opposition would have been mopped up a long time ago. Maybe these rebel forces have learned from the Iraq war. As happened in other conflicts in the past, High tech doesnt always beat low tech ingenuity.

Cheerful Spring

An Israeli cabinet minister said on Sunday that Israel has had covert contacts with Saudi Arabia amid common concerns over Iran, a first disclosure by a senior official from either country of long-rumoured secret dealings.

The Saudi government had no immediate response to Israeli Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz's remarks. A spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also did not respond immediately to a request to comment.

Both Saudi Arabia and Israel view Iran as a main threat to the Middle East and increased tension between Tehran and Riyadh has fuelled speculation that shared interests may push Saudi Arabia and Israel to work together.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-saudi-arabia-secret-talks-iran-threat-middle-east-yuval-steinitz-benjamin-netanyahu-crown-a8064566.html


TEHRAN, Iran — Iran on Monday rejected a harsh statement by Arab League foreign ministers condemning the Islamic Republic and its proxy Hezbollah, saying the tirade was “full of lies” and the product of Saudi “pressure and propaganda.”

State media quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Ghasemi as calling on Saudi Arabia to stop its “barbaric attacks” on Yemen, where a Saudi-led coalition has been at war with Tehran-backed rebels since March 2015. He also called on Saudi Arabia to drop its boycott of the Gulf Arab nation of Qatar, which has warm ties with Iran.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-says-arab-league-condemnation-full-of-lies/2017/11/20/7341a218-cded-11e7-a87b-47f14b73162a_story.html?utm_term=.9d3565aa64ce

wes

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So Hezbollah, democratic organisation who are part of a democratically elected government = bad but Saudi Arabia is the good guy because Hezbollah are friendly with Iran and the Saudis and Israel don't like having regional competition?

Feck off Saudi.

Saudi's are also starving the poor people of Yemen.

Vladimir Poontang

Iran will kick seven shades of ****e out of the Saudi's if they start anything.

Doltanian

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Iran will kick seven shades of ****e out of the Saudi's if they start anything.

I'd pay good money to watch that

jackboy

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Iran will kick seven shades of ****e out of the Saudi's if they start anything.

Not sure. The US would probably back upthe Saudis.

Odhinn

jackboy wrote: »

Not sure. The US would probably back upthe Saudis.

How precisely they'll sell that one at home should be good for a laugh.

Elmer Blooker

Odhinn wrote: »

How precisely they'll sell that one at home should be good for a laugh.

Easy. If the media can sell the head chopping jihadists in Syria as moderates fighting a humanitarian war they can sell anything.

Irish Praetorian

If only we could have our societies just stay out of the whole region while it burns itself to a crisp - no weapon selling, no oil purchasing, no taking refugees, just let the region do whatever it does on its own merits, only intervening if someone tries something nuclear.

Ridiculous notion I grant you but one can dream...

Vladimir Poontang

jackboy wrote: »

Not sure. The US would probably back upthe Saudis.

And Russia would back Iran.

Neither would get involved directly.

Iranians have way, way more experience than the Saudi's who are a bunch of pampered pussies that prefer to hire mercs to do their dirty work.

That's why the Houthi rebels backed by Iran in Yemen are sticking it to them. For all their expensive war toys from Uncle Sam they can't defeat them.

If it is Saudi's attacking Iranians on their own soil they haven't a chance, The Iranians sent wave after wave of men to their deaths in the Iran Iraq war. They are as hard as **** and fiercely patriotic, even if they hate the regime.

Throw Hezbollah into the mix and the Saudi's are goosed. They haven't got the stomach for a fight like the Iranians do.

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Odhinn wrote: »

How precisely they'll sell that one at home should be good for a laugh.

They are selling it now. Mostly by not mentioning the war. Some congressmen tried to force a vote recently. It was roundly defeated.

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Irish Praetorian wrote: »

If only we could have our societies just stay out of the whole region while it burns itself to a crisp - no weapon selling, no oil purchasing, no taking refugees, just let the region do whatever it does on its own merits, only intervening if someone tries something nuclear.

Ridiculous notion I grant you but one can dream...

Our societies - meaning mostly the British and the US cause most of the conflict.

BillyBobBS

Odhinn wrote: »

How precisely they'll sell that one at home should be good for a laugh.

The media will do what they are told like they always have.

Irish Praetorian

server down wrote: »

Our societies - meaning mostly the British and the US cause most of the conflict.

Spare me the store-bought post colonial guilt. This nonsense has been going on since long before the United States even existed as a country. The most recent iteration of Saudi-Iranian rivalry has been in play since before the 1st Gulf War at least, and it will likely continue regardless of any desire among the US (or UK for that matter) to have a nice placid oil supply region.

Hande hoche!

Seems like one of the former leaders of Yemen was killed. Can see both the Saudis and Iranians stirring things up even more in the country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42225574

seiphil

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Seems like one of the former leaders of Yemen was killed. Can see both the Saudis and Iranians stirring things up even more in the country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42225574

Only countries stirring anything up is he Saudi's and Israel like always.

Mutant z

Let the region sort out its own problems its not the business of the USA, UK or any other western countries to be getting involved it only makes an already bad situation even worse, Iraq, Libya and Syria should tell you the consequences of interfering in that part of the world.

Mutant z

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Spare me the store-bought post colonial guilt. This nonsense has been going on since long before the United States even existed as a country. The most recent iteration of Saudi-Iranian rivalry has been in play since before the 1st Gulf War at least, and it will likely continue regardless of any desire among the US (or UK for that matter) to have a nice placid oil supply region.

Exactly which is another reason not to get involved in foreign countries disputes.

Pyr0

I would absolutely love to see the Saudi's try an invade Iran. The whole south, south west of the country is notoriously difficult to navigate, let alone permit a modern invading army enough room to manoeuvre. The Saudi's would be unable to launch a naval invasion as they lack the means to do so and the United States would not facilitate such a move either. That leaves passing through Iraq, which is also doubtful and even so, they're gonna walk into the Iranians dug into the mountains.

It's strategic suicide.

the purple tin

aligator_am wrote: »

I think it's all sabre rattling on both sides, doubt anything will come from it.

The Saudis have the best of gear but from what I can see they're fairly useless with it, the Iranians have very likely Soviet derived gear but have been prepping for an invasion since the 1st Gulf war.

Assuming that Stuxnet doesn't affect their troops or tanks then they'll be a very difficult opponent to beat.

I think the Israelis are sort of jammed here, they don't like either player but I can see them siding with the Saudis, even though they're crackpots, they serve Israel's interest, last thing they want is a well armed, well organised and well lead Iran.

The Saudis and Israelis have been in bed together on the qt for a while now. It makes the act they put on of hating each other seem quite amusing.

Chrongen

Ipso wrote: »

Muslims fighting muslims, has to be the weshts fault.

Irishmen fighting Irishmen has always been Britain's fault.

Chrongen

jackboy wrote: »

Not sure. The US would probably back upthe Saudis.

Like they backed up ISIS in Syria who subsequently got massacred?

Chrongen

Doltanian wrote: »

If Iran and Saudi Arabia go to War then the pendulum of momentum will be firmly with Iran. Iran has 80 million people, Saudi has 30 million but around 12 million of those are modern day slaves and other foreigners in the country, once war breaks out there will be a mass exodus back to India and the Philippines etc.

The Saudis are generally inept and have no war experience, their population is largely obese and lazy with a culture of wealth and slavery. The Iranians are totally different and the Iranians have the numbers, also don't forget Russia will back Iran 100% in the war as it is no secret that Russia hates the Saudis. Iran is a nuclear state and could also draw support from North Korea. I do think if Saudi Arabia provokes Iran then it will start off a third world war.

War will come but in what form and the last few years remind me of the lead up towards the second world war. Israel should keep its nose within its borders in any conflict because a Nuclear exchange could happen very easily.

What you say is mostly true. Iran is not a nuclear state however...but that doesn't matter.
Saudi Arabia are so weak and so worried that they have actually flown a delegation to Moscow to seek Russian help. They know that American influence and protection in the region is a thing of the past.

even Israel are cosying up to Russia because they know how much of a paper tiger Washington has become in 15 short years.

Nobody listens to the Americans anymore. They are a spent force. Their dream of using a bogus terror "war" to surround Russia, China and the Caspian Basin via North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, and now trying to tell the world that Sweden is in need of becoming part of the NATO/US effort is in a shambles.

jackboy

Chrongen wrote: »

Nobody listens to the Americans anymore. They are a spent force. Their dream of using a bogus terror "war" to surround Russia, China and the Caspian Basin via North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, and now trying to tell the world that Sweden is in need of becoming part of the NATO/US effort is in a shambles.

They are still the most powerful country and military in the world.

Chrongen

Gatling wrote: »

It won't come down to population size , remember Iran has been surpressing it's own population for decades ,
Don't see how NK comes into it at considering they are totally safely locked up inside of their own borders ,
Saudi has its own big backers to and Iran won't be able to effectively fight against land sea and air attacks from nearly every direction ,
And they have to shift massive amount of men a and equipment either through Iraq which won't happen or by sea leaving them wide open to been hammered before getting off any ships

Why would they need to move equipment anywhere outside of Iran?

Your grasp of geopolitics is a little outdated. This isn't about Stuka dive bombers and half-tracks.

Chrongen

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

And Russia would back Iran.

Neither would get involved directly.

Iranians have way, way more experience than the Saudi's who are a bunch of pampered pussies that prefer to hire mercs to do their dirty work.

That's why the Houthi rebels backed by Iran in Yemen are sticking it to them. For all their expensive war toys from Uncle Sam they can't defeat them.

If it is Saudi's attacking Iranians on their own soil they haven't a chance, The Iranians sent wave after wave of men to their deaths in the Iran Iraq war. They are as hard as **** and fiercely patriotic, even if they hate the regime.

Throw Hezbollah into the mix and the Saudi's are goosed. They haven't got the stomach for a fight like the Iranians do.

Not only that but all who fought for 5 years to victory in Syria....The Syrian Army, the Iranian Guard and Hezbollah are now probably the most battle-hardened men in the world.

A pampered Saudi clown or an israeli conscript who just wants to go drinking in Goa wouldn't last farting time against them.

Ipso

Ooh tell us more.

Chrongen

jackboy wrote: »

They are still the most powerful country and military in the world.

Are they? What can they do except talk, build useless weaponry and kill civilians? And in the process fail in their endeavours at occupying countries for material gain?

You'll never convince me that a 6 foot 6 loudmouthed bully pumped full of steroids is more powerful and righteous than a fearless, skinny 5' 4" guy who can fight without needing to beat his chest.

I understand that America's phoney wars are to make money and prevent anyone from carving their own path away from the Washington Consensus. I understand that the fools who signed up and got their legs blown off in Helmand Province thought they were defending something when all they were doing was being pawns for Grumman and Raytheon. I understand that. But the guys who are fighting AGAINST the shareholders are slowly winning.

Even Europe knows that America are a complete bullsh1t force. Germany are yearning to get free of the crappy US trade deals and get the Beijing to Berlin Railway moving.

They want the dumb sanctions on Russia lifted. They want to trade along the OBOR initiative.

America is run by clowns who can't even stop 30,000 kids a week falling into poverty. The rest of the world knows this.

jackboy

Chrongen wrote: »

You'll never convince me that a 6 foot 6 loudmouthed bully pumped full of steroids is more powerful and righteous than a fearless, skinny 5' 4" guy who can fight without needing to beat his chest.

Technology wins wars not soldiers. Struggling against insurgencies does not mean that they are weak. They could have crushed the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan very quickly if they had used 10% if their military power.

mulbot

jackboy wrote: »

Technology wins wars not soldiers. Struggling against insurgencies does not mean that they are weak. They could have crushed the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan very quickly if they had used 10% if their military power.

Why didn't they use it when they were struggling then?

the purple tin

jackboy wrote: »

They are still the most powerful country and military in the world.

They are stretching themselves very thin though, lots of troops across Africa and SE Asia at the minute for instance.
America will also be very wary of getting drawn into another 'boots on the ground' invasion and occupation scenario after Iraq and Afghanistan.
Plusconsider the amount the US spend on their military, almost 600 billion in 2015 and rising. Crazy money, they can't maintain that level of spending forever.
For all the tough military talk chances are the biggest global conflict in the future will be economic and not a traditional war.