Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2018/19

smelly sock

The Talking Bread wrote: »

smelly sock wrote: »

Because the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.

Your Da must have been a begrudging non empathetic grump by that logic also!

And yours must have been a blind FAI flag waving fanboy too.

The Talking Bread

smelly sock wrote: »

And yours must have been a blind FAI flag waving fanboy too.

What???? I am struggling to derive how you came up with that statement from my posts! When have I ever heralded the FAI !!






Your logic is as ugly as your personality, so it seems!

OldMrBrennan83

Let's all join hands and sing the 'everyone in the whole wide world is brilliant and nice and great' song.

smelly sock

Patww79 wrote: »

Let's all join hands and sing the 'everyone in the whole wide world is brilliant and nice and great' song.

Especially Stevie Irelands young fella.

OldMrBrennan83

smelly sock wrote: »

Especially Stevie Irelands young fella.

Don't forget Stevie too.

weldoninhio

Just seen the pricing for the NI game. €65 and €45 for adult tickets. What sort of joke is that?? €65 to watch that drivel.

Christy Browne

smelly sock wrote: »

Because the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.

The sins of the father are not the sins of the son

noodler

weldoninhio wrote: »

Just seen the pricing for the NI game. €65 and €45 for adult tickets. What sort of joke is that?? €65 to watch that drivel.

Wow

Eod100

weldoninhio wrote: »

Just seen the pricing for the NI game. €65 and €45 for adult tickets. What sort of joke is that?? €65 to watch that drivel.

And for a friendly. Mad

thegreengoblin

Eod100 wrote: »

And for a friendly. Mad

And on a Thursday, even more more mad!

johnnyryan89

Be another low turn out like the micky mouse nations cup tournament 7 years ago, probably be a large amount of free tickets handed out again for this game to make up the numbers.

thegreengoblin

Noel King might actually get us to a tournament after all!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/republic-of-ireland-and-northern-ireland-set-to-launch-historic-jointbid-to-host-u21-european-championship-37475168.html

The FAI is set to launch a joint-bid with their Northern Irish counterparts, the IFA, to host the U21 European Championship.
The two football associations have scheduled a joint-press conference for this Thursday, where a 'special announcement' will be made. It is understood that the announcement will be a historic joint-bid to host an upcoming U21 European Championship in either 2021 or 2023.

The 2021 tournament would coincide with the FAI's centenary.

The next U21 European Championship will be held in Italy in June 2019. Ireland failed to qualify, finishing third in their qualification group, ten points behind group winners Germany.

Ireland have never qualified for an U21 European Championship, but were they to win the bid to host the 2021 competition, they would qualify automatically with Northern Ireland as the host nations.

Dots1982

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Noel King might actually get us to a tournament after all!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/republic-of-ireland-and-northern-ireland-set-to-launch-historic-jointbid-to-host-u21-european-championship-37475168.html

The FAI is set to launch a joint-bid with their Northern Irish counterparts, the IFA, to host the U21 European Championship.
The two football associations have scheduled a joint-press conference for this Thursday, where a 'special announcement' will be made. It is understood that the announcement will be a historic joint-bid to host an upcoming U21 European Championship in either 2021 or 2023.

The 2021 tournament would coincide with the FAI's centenary.

The next U21 European Championship will be held in Italy in June 2019. Ireland failed to qualify, finishing third in their qualification group, ten points behind group winners Germany.

Ireland have never qualified for an U21 European Championship, but were they to win the bid to host the 2021 competition, they would qualify automatically with Northern Ireland as the host nations.

We have no where near the stadia to host this. This bid will lose.

OldMrBrennan83

Hopefully.

johnnyryan89

Dots1982 wrote: »

We have no where near the stadia to host this. This bid will lose.

Aviva 51k
Windsor 18k
Thomond 15k
Raven hill 14k (I think)
Tallaght 8k
Turners Cross 7k

You only need six stadiums

Eod100

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Aviva 51k
Windsor 18k
Thomond 15k
Raven hill 14k (I think)
Tallaght 8k
Turners Cross 7k

You only need six stadiums

Is there specific capacity that's needed? I know matches might not sell out anyways but would Tallaght and Turner's Cross be big enough say?

siblers

If nothing else, they might actually be forced to give Turners Cross a clean when going through the bid process. The place is filthy

The Talking Bread

The average attendances at the U21 championships in Poland was generally around 11,000 and the last final in Poland between Spain and Germany, two heavyweights, only attracted 15K.

Look at the attendances in Israela and Czech Republic the two tournaments previous, much lower average

thegreengoblin

Just did a quick check on the last four finals (Italy next year) and the venues and capacities. There's quite a variation between some of the countries. I'm assuming some of the larger venues would have been nowhere near full but it gives you an indication of what's required anyway. Can't see how both Tallaght and Turner's Cross could be considered but then again Denmark did have two stadia under 10,000 capacity.


Italy 2019
Capacity: 38,279 Capacity: 23,717 Capacity: 23,860 Capacity: 28,565 Capacity: 25,144 Capacity: 6,664

Poland 2017
Capacity: 15,500 Capacity: 15,500 Capacity: 15,139 Capacity: 20,247 Capacity: 15,016 Capacity: 15,300

Czech Republic 2015
Capacity: 20,800 Capacity: 19,784 Capacity: 12,566 Capacity: 8,121

Israel 2013
Capacity: 31,733 Capacity: 13,610 Capacity: 11,500 Capacity: 14,413

Denmark 2011
Capacity: 20,000 Capacity: 10,500 Capacity: 9,600 Capacity: 9,566

The Talking Bread

Delaney has a cushy position on the UEFA Exec Committee and that won't do him any harm.

I think Hungary are also bidding.

johnnyryan89

Eod100 wrote: »

Is there specific capacity that's needed? I know matches might not sell out anyways but would Tallaght and Turner's Cross be big enough say?

Don't think so because Italy are hosting it with San Marino and their stadium holds 6k. Could even open the Aviva for double header games its so big.

Eod100

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Don't think so because Italy are hosting it with San Marino and their stadium holds 6k. Could even open the Aviva for double header games its so big.

Ah interesting. Might not be so far-fetched so, think UEFA are fans of joint bids these days like Euro 2020. Think it would be good for football here and added bonus of u21 team qualifying.

OldMrBrennan83

Hopefully we don't get it and will end any accociation with the IFA.

johnnyryan89

Eod100 wrote: »

Ah interesting. Might not be so far-fetched so, think UEFA are fans of joint bids these days like Euro 2020. Think it would be good for football here and added bonus of u21 team qualifying.

Finland held the u19s tournment this summer using two stadiums, if they don't mind some stadiums having terracing but still with 15k I'd say the IRFU would have no problem with Ravenhill and Thomond being used seeing as it's a joint bid and they represent the whole island so might see it as a plus that the IFA and FAI will be working together and soon will have to merge if a United Ireland happen. Plus some people will probably burst into flames that both associations are working together, which is also fun.

Unless the IFA plan on renovation a soccer stadium to bring capacity up they'd need to use Ravenhill as I think the Oval is the next highest seat wise at just under 5k or just have Windsor as the only stadium up north.

smelly sock

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/declan-rice-to-commit-international-future-to-england-after-second-gareth-southgate-meeting-report-37477707.html

I mean if this is true and it is more than likely, we really need to have a conversation about where we are going under the granny rule.

I would consider any 18-20 year old in PL squad good enough to be in our senior squad. Conor Coventry for example. Wales do it and have beaten us twice now.

A huge blow even if we did see it coming for a while.

pjohnson

smelly sock wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/declan-rice-to-commit-international-future-to-england-after-second-gareth-southgate-meeting-report-37477707.html

I mean if this is true and it is more than likely, we really need to have a conversation about where we are going under the granny rule.

I would consider any 18-20 year old in PL squad good enough to be in our senior squad. Conor Coventry for example. Wales do it and have beaten us twice now.

A huge blow even if we did see it coming for a while.

Rice is soo last month. Its Bazunu, O'Hara and Coventry we need to be starting ASAP. At least we stopped we Dutch getting Doherty!

smelly sock

pjohnson wrote: »

Rice is soo last month. Its Bazunu, O'Hara and Coventry we need to be starting ASAP. At least we stopped we Dutch getting Doherty!

Why would we not consider calling up Conventry?

The argument for not capping you players around first teams in the PL and Championshiop is lost after Grealish and now Rice I would think.

Loafing Oaf

smelly sock wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/declan-rice-to-commit-international-future-to-england-after-second-gareth-southgate-meeting-report-37477707.html

I mean if this is true and it is more than likely, .

I feel like Austin Powers: "Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay...I didn't see that one coming.":p

smelly sock

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I feel like Austin Powers: "Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay...I didn't see that one coming.":p

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OldMrBrennan83

Hopefully it's the last we hear of the **** now and we can focus on the ones that want to be there going forward.

pgj2015

You cant lose what you never had. hes no loss.

i cant understand anyone who thinks losing players like rice is the end of the world, yes hes a decent PL player but if they are not 100% committed to playing for Ireland then we shouldn't want them playing for us.

hopefully he gets 1 england cap and ends up in league 2. kissing the Irish badge, what an insult.

Loafing Oaf

smelly sock wrote: »

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Most unsurprising news ever

smelly sock

Here we go now. The same posters on here saying this isnt a huge issue and focus on what we do have will be the very same ones when we continue our poor run of form saying we dont have the players available and dedending MON. Laughable really.

This needs to be dealt with after grealish and now rice.

Dots1982

pgj2015 wrote: »

You cant lose what you never had. hes no loss.

i cant understand anyone who thinks losing players like rice is the end of the world, yes hes a decent PL player but if they are not 100% committed to playing for Ireland then we shouldn't want them playing for us.

hopefully he gets 1 england cap and ends up in league 2. kissing the Irish badge, what an insult.

The only Irish players who were born and raised in England who saw themselves as only wanting to play for Ireland were kilbane and Alan McLoughlin. I think almost all the others would have accepted an England callup. Any others?

So this thing about being 100% committed to Ireland is Perfect world nonsense. Most lads born in England that play for Ireland play for Ireland because they can get picked for Ireland and won’t get picked for England. Was true in 1970s, it’s still true now.

10000maniacs

Dots1982 wrote: »

The only Irish players who were born and raised in England who saw themselves as only wanting to play for Ireland were kilbane and Alan McLoughlin. I think almost all the others would have accepted an England callup. Any others?

So this thing about being 100% committed to Ireland is Perfect world nonsense. Most lads born in England that play for Ireland play for Ireland because they can get picked for Ireland and won’t get picked for England. Was true in 1970s, it’s still true now.

Lets see how many caps Rice gets for England. He might get a few friendlies.

blinding

Dots1982 wrote: »

The only Irish players who were born and raised in England who saw themselves as only wanting to play for Ireland were kilbane and Alan McLoughlin. I think almost all the others would have accepted an England callup. Any others?

So this thing about being 100% committed to Ireland is Perfect world nonsense. Most lads born in England that play for Ireland play for Ireland because they can get picked for Ireland and won’t get picked for England. Was true in 1970s, it’s still true now.

Hard to argue with that . A lot more money to be made by being an English international for a start . More realistic chance of success . Hard to blame them really .

The Talking Bread

10000maniacs wrote: »

Lets see how many caps Rice gets for England. He might get a few friendlies.

Nah, Rice has a good future with England. Preety clear he is going to be a very good player.

LuckyLloyd

smelly sock wrote: »

Here we go now. The same posters on here saying this isnt a huge issue and focus on what we do have will be the very same ones when we continue our poor run of form saying we dont have the players available and dedending MON. Laughable really.

This needs to be dealt with after grealish and now rice.

Dealt with? Let them **** off if they don't want to play for us. There you go. Dealt with.

Unlike you, we're out supporting the players who are there and getting behind them. Even if we think they're limited and overmatched, for it's nothing to do with their effort. Far better than sitting behind a message board endlessly complaining about the coaching staff. Would you not agree?

smelly sock

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Dealt with? Let them **** off if they don't want to play for us. There you go. Dealt with.

Unlike you, we're out supporting the players who are there and getting behind them. Even if we think they're limited and overmatched, for it's nothing to do with their effort. Far better than sitting behind a message board endlessly complaining about the coaching staff. Would you not agree?

Yeh dealt with in your world. But the thing is they did at one point want to play for us.

And i wouldnt agree. Looking at the articles both Southgate and his coaching staff were hands on ensuring Rice would choose them. I think its fair to say MON wasnt and thats a huge issue.

The_Kew_Tour

Rice is only 19. He is up against Dier and Loftus Cheek. He will walk into that England side soon.

Big blow, but if we had been producing our own players....

yabadabado

10000maniacs wrote: »

Lets see how many caps Rice gets for England. He might get a few friendlies.

I'd expect him to get plenty,not a whole lot there ahead of him currently.I think he will have a decent England career but he could have been a 100 caps player for us.

Eod100

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Rice is only 19. He is up against Dier and Loftus Cheek. He will walk into that England side soon.

Big blow, but if we had been producing our own players....

Unfortunately that's not something that can be done overnight, and unless LOI is respected and given adequate investment instead of treated as a ''problem child'' that won't change

Brock Turnpike

Dots1982 wrote: »

pgj2015 wrote: »

You cant lose what you never had. hes no loss.

i cant understand anyone who thinks losing players like rice is the end of the world, yes hes a decent PL player but if they are not 100% committed to playing for Ireland then we shouldn't want them playing for us.

hopefully he gets 1 england cap and ends up in league 2. kissing the Irish badge, what an insult.

The only Irish players who were born and raised in England who saw themselves as only wanting to play for Ireland were kilbane and Alan McLoughlin. I think almost all the others would have accepted an England callup. Any others?

So this thing about being 100% committed to Ireland is Perfect world nonsense. Most lads born in England that play for Ireland play for Ireland because they can get picked for Ireland and won’t get picked for England. Was true in 1970s, it’s still true now.

Spot on. Sick and tired of this "100% committed" nonsense being spouted.

Southgate presented him with a wide range of statistical data to show how he suits their plans.

In fairness, it sounds more attractive than getting a crick in his neck from watching the ball hoofed over his head, or the wide range of abusive words he might expect from our assistant manager...

Brock Turnpike

Deleted User wrote: »

Southgate presented him with a wide range of statistical data to show how he suits their plans.

In fairness, it sounds more attractive than getting a crick in his neck from watching the ball hoofed over his head, or the wide range of abusive words he might expect from our assistant manager...

And the wide range of abusive comments he received from Irish fans when news first broke that he was having second thoughts...

smelly sock

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

And the wide range of abusive comments he received from Irish fans when news first broke that he was having second thoughts...

After him kissing the badge and all of that ****e he left him self open for that kinda thing.

Brock Turnpike

smelly sock wrote: »

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

And the wide range of abusive comments he received from Irish fans when news first broke that he was having second thoughts...

After him kissing the badge and all of that ****e he left him self open for that kinda thing.

No. He didn't. Halfwits calling some young lad of 19 a c*nt, etc.. FFS

smelly sock

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

No. He didn't. Halfwits calling some young lad of 19 a c*nt, etc.. FFS

I never did. I didn't call him that. I said he was a mercenary and probably worse than Grealish in that regard. Who called him that?

OldMrBrennan83

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

And the wide range of abusive comments he received from Irish fans when news first broke that he was having second thoughts...

That he deserved.

Eod100

Patww79 wrote: »

That he deserved.

I don't see how insults were ever going to sway him if he was having doubts. Surely it would only reinforce his decision?

Fair enough, he played underage all the way up but he was born in UK. Flipside of chasing UK-born players is them declaring for their country of birth. If players are insulted for doing that, don't think it will do much to convince the next UK born player to declare for Ireland.