Louise O'Neill on manned mission to Mars: "Why not go to Venus?" (MOD Warning post 1)

DickSwiveller Returns

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

She can write fiction very well.

It's the half-baked, half-thought out feminism that she can't write because she does not really understand the topic beyond the memes and social media distortions of feminism.

Fair enough. I might pick up one of her books and judge for myself.

Lisha

Wibbs wrote: »

I had a read of her novel "Only Ever Yours" and while it isn't certainly not aimed at me as an audience it's well crafted and personal. A good litmus test for a novel. Very different to her opinion pieces.

I totally agree with this. I thought only ever yours was very good and I felt asking fir it was a truly honest example of how things can go hideously wrong.
But the news paper columns are so bad it’s unbelievable. I don’t really believe anyone can be so self absorbed and unaware of normality.

I wish louise well and I do hope this social media break gives her space to feel at ease in herself.

Lisha

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

She can write fiction very well.

It's the half-baked, half-thought out feminism that she can't write because she does not really understand the topic beyond the memes and social media distortions of feminism.

I agree. The social media version of feminism reminds me of anti vaccine twisted bias. Impossibly to argue with as they don’t want to hear rational discussion. It’s sad really.

El_Duderino 09

Wibbs wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ha. Completely avoid the point and go for an ad hominem. Typical of your responses to me.

Ahhh, you are the gift that keeps on giving...

So was your point ironic or at a near autistic level of lacking self awareness?

You even broached your right on limits to go and label me an autistic? Pardon me while I sperg out.

Me. Earlier. Trying to get into a relationship.



Naughty naughty boy. The coven of easily offended won't like that I'm sure.

Word salad and ad hominems aside, was your comment that people shouldn’t send LON hate mail on a thread dedicated hatred of LON ironic or just near autistic lacking self awareness?

Fr_Dougal

Has she been weaned yet?

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Word salad and ad hominems aside, was your comment that people shouldn’t send LON hate mail on a thread dedicated hatred of LON ironic or just near autistic lacking self awareness?

Because they're the exact same thing?

Will I Am Not

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they're the exact same thing?

Yes. I remember this one time I was walking down the road and I got this really bad pain in my feelings. Turns out somebody was saying some not very nice things about me on the internet at that exact moment. Don’t ask me how I know, I just do.

givyjoe

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Word salad and ad hominems aside, was your comment that people shouldn’t send LON hate mail on a thread dedicated hatred of LON ironic or just near autistic lacking self awareness?

This is a hate thread now is it?! 500 pages and Ive yet to see the hate mail you're alluding to. Ridicule does not equal hate.

El_Duderino 09

Wibbs wrote: »

The joke is she can write and write well, if a tad overwrought for me, though to be fair I'm not the audience.

Lol. You’re exactly her audience. Angry people who can’t get a girlfriend, bounce between Peterson (Kermit as you seem to refer to him) and LON. Both of them reassuring you it’s other people’s fault. If only other people read Peterson and I only other people didn’t read LON, then you’d assume your rightful place as a normal man. Lol.

LLMMLL

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Let me defend this thread for a second. If you are in a public position, and have influence, then you should not be immune from a bit of stick. I'm not talking about personal abuse but a bit of slagging. I haven't seen any evidence of alleged 'hate' in this thread. It's mostly good-natured ribbing. Louise O'Neill has made a career, and lots of money, out of being an insufferable windbag, demonising men at every turn and then crying in her national column when anyone dares to pull her up on her nonsense. I'm glad a thread like this exists to counter her fawning sycophants on twatter. You do realise it is not compulsory for you and LLMMLL to engage with this thread. You seem to have a huge issue with it but continually come back. Why is that??

Well I don’t know about el_duderino but I like to counteract the nonsense

The Crowman

LLMMLL wrote: »

All this is a huge leap from what she actually wrote.

She complained that she got hate mail and opined that as a decent person she doesn’t deserve it. Well then she MUST be admitting she’s wrong there’s no other explanation.

Clearly people on this thread are incapable of showing any sympathy towards someone they disagree with. Rather than admit she probably does get hate mail/internet abuse which everyone knows is pretty common for people who are in the public eye on controversial issues, they have to pretend that actually people are sending polite letters to her house. Sure that’s super believable.

Now you're just making stuff up.

Wibbs

Lisha wrote: »

I totally agree with this. I thought only ever yours was very good and I felt asking fir it was a truly honest example of how things can go hideously wrong.

Didn't read the second one, the first I thought a well honed dystopian world in the vein of a Handmaid's Tale lite. The underlying angle of both is obvious though well done. EG the Handmaid's Tale TV series. The first series based on the book was bloody good, the second without the book to underpin it replaced story, plot and character for overlong emotive closeups and misery porn and was sorely lacking.

But the news paper columns are so bad it’s unbelievable. I don’t really believe anyone can be so self absorbed and unaware of normality.

For me it's the adherence to any extremist type worldview that is to blame. For her it's interwebs American college feminism. It could be anything. Such worldviews are almost guaranteed to be self absorbed and unaware of normality. I know a guy who is otherwise sound as a pound and measured of mind, but if the subject strays towards his personal political hobbyhorse, pack your bags folks it's going weird. Though I have found anyone even mildly interesting has this going on to some degree.

Plus they're two kinds of writing. One is long thought out and polished over time, the other is fired off the cuff quickly, maybe in a single sitting, a twitter post extended. Add in the influence of social media more stream of consciousness "writing" and I could see how someone could easily come across very differently.

Foweva Awone

I read Only Ever Yours before I'd ever heard of Louise O'Neill or any of the controversy about her. I thought it was excellent, original, thought-provoking, very well written and engaging, I'd recommend it to anyone.

On the other hand, Asking For It has the feel of a book written according to an agenda. It feels contrived and moralistic, the premise had potential but I was unimpressed with the end result, especially as my expectations were quite high having read Only Ever Yours.

the purple tin

This is my favourite title yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5an-EDaw81Q

py2006

LLMMLL wrote: »

Most of the rest is pure nonsense.

Pot kettle black etc

Most of your posts are questionable to say the least. You are here for one reason only and you are failing.

py2006

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. You’re exactly her audience. Angry people who can’t get a girlfriend, bounce between Peterson (Kermit as you seem to refer to him) and LON. Both of them reassuring you it’s other people’s fault. If only other people read Peterson and I only other people didn’t read LON, then you’d assume your rightful place as a normal man. Lol.

This post sums up the nature of this individuals posting style.

As I said previously, silence is the loudest response to nonsense.

LLMMLL

py2006 wrote: »

Pot kettle black etc

Most of your posts are questionable to say the least. You are here for one reason only and you are failing.

If your best critique is “pot kettle black” then I’m definitely succeeding.

Sunny Disposition

When she is so upset by personal criticism, writing opinion columns in a national paper where she often criticizes other people herself is a poor choice.

Taking the criticism, however unfair it seems is part of it, don’t doubt John Waters took a share of it, Fintan O’Toole gets plenty, Eamon Dunphy was a national pariah once.
If it’s not for you don’t do it, but writing columns complaining it happens even though you are a nice person isn’t clever. Sure it’d be nice if it didn’t happen, but the reality is you need a thick skin for that line of work.
Compare to putting stuff on echo chambers like Twitter, writing opinion columns is senior hurling, to borrow a phrase used in politics sometimes.

Obviously it’s good that her fella and friends are supporting her, but if they were to be really helpful they’d tell her that she has to accept that intense and unfair criticism is part of the job description and she must learn to accept that and ignore the ‘haters’ if being in the public eye is what she really wants.

RabbleRouser2k

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

When she is so upset by personal criticism, writing opinion columns in a national paper where she often criticizes other people herself is a poor choice.

Taking the criticism, however unfair it seems is part of it, don’t doubt John Waters took a share of it, Fintan O’Toole gets plenty, Eamon Dunphy was a national pariah once.
If it’s not for you don’t do it, but writing columns complaining it happens even though you are a nice person isn’t clever. Sure it’d be nice if it didn’t happen, but the reality is you need a thick skin for that line of work.
Compare to putting stuff on echo chambers like Twitter, writing opinion columns is senior hurling, to borrow a phrase used in politics sometimes.

Obviously it’s good that her fella and friends are supporting her, but if they were to be really helpful they’d tell her that she has to accept that intense and unfair criticism is part of the job description and she must learn to accept that and ignore the ‘haters’ if being in the public eye is what she really wants.

The strange thing is, she wrote a column along the lines of 'when you create art, you have to prepare for criticism'... so, just like her feminism, she doesn't 'truly' believe that either.

Yeah, the s*** thrown at the people you mention is just incredible-Dunphy was ridiculed in the papers for turning on the IRish team after Roy Keane was sent home. Then Roy turned on him (the book drove em apart). And rags like the Sunday World called him 'Donkey Dunphy'... despite him being proven right.

John Waters pretty much was driven from his career because of his opinions. KEvin Myers career is dead.
I've noticed with women, they tend to be quietly 'fired'...with supposed dignity. The woman who wrote the 'everyone's taking cocaine' book, and managed to get a documentary out of it too, is a pariah since. She didn't get the public flogging like the guys, but then again a career ended is still a dead career.

Not a journalist, but I think Johnny Connors, the actor and traveller, will slowly find his career dying on account of him going against the woke crowd with his opinions on the abortion referendum. They don't like the wrong-think. They'll then convince him it's down to him being a traveller, whilst they turn their backs on him.

Blindboy's latest podcast is an interview with Louise O'Neill. Should be interesting. I generally like him but dislike her. I've only listened to the intro so far. It was a one of the live recorded podcasts and apparently a lot of men walked out for misogynistic reasons. It annoys me that if you have an issue with Louise O'Neill, you must be misogynistic. I wouldn't be walking out anyway. I'm gonna try keep an open mind:

https://www.acast.com/blindboy/goslingsguiltygusset

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Blindboy's latest podcast is an interview with Louise O'Neill. Should be interesting. I generally like him but dislike her. I've only listened to the intro so far. It was a one of the live recorded podcasts and apparently a lot of men walked out for misogynistic reasons. It annoys me that if you have an issue with Louise O'Neill, you must be misogynistic. I wouldn't be walking out anyway. I'm gonna try keep an open mind:

https://www.acast.com/blindboy/goslingsguiltygusset

I've been wanting to hear this..but it will be a struggle to get through id say, due to the accent, differing views on what is considered funny, and the aul internal misogyny..

Ush1

You'll enjoy the bit where she says she didn't want to shill the Belfast rape trial to generate buys of her book, then goes on to do it anyway by mentioning it in the article she wrote.

Ush1

Ush1 wrote: »

You'll enjoy the bit where she says she didn't want to shill the Belfast rape trial to generate buys of her book, then goes on to do it anyway by mentioning it in the article she wrote.

I don't know if I will..I don't really expect to enjoy it as such..

Boards is a sewer :pac:

razorblunt

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Not a journalist, but I think Johnny Connors, the actor and traveller, will slowly find his career dying on account of him going against the woke crowd with his opinions on the abortion referendum. They don't like the wrong-think. They'll then convince him it's down to him being a traveller, whilst they turn their backs on him.

Connors? The same guy who backed the lads ransacking Aldi in Dublin that time?
He's his own worst enemy.

Just listening to that podcast there now..Jesus..This chick has a distorted view of reality..

mahamageehad

Foweva Awone wrote: »

I read Only Ever Yours before I'd ever heard of Louise O'Neill or any of the controversy about her. I thought it was excellent, original, thought-provoking, very well written and engaging, I'd recommend it to anyone.

On the other hand, Asking For It has the feel of a book written according to an agenda. It feels contrived and moralistic, the premise had potential but I was unimpressed with the end result, especially as my expectations were quite high having read Only Ever Yours.

Same. I enjoyed Only Ever Yours when I read it years ago and hadn’t heard of her. I thought it was original and well written... but honestly then I read the handmaids tale and can’t see OEY as anything other than a cheap knockoff now. I don’t understand the love for Asking For It, it’s very very juvenile. Grand for teenagers like, but hearing middle aged people applaud how brave and refreshing it is is simply bizarre. I am a Twitterer and I think she’s full of crap. She doesn’t represent my feminism at all. Will be interesting to hear the podcast later.

PlaneSpeeking

razorblunt wrote: »

Connors? The same guy who backed the lads ransacking Aldi in Dublin that time?
He's his own worst enemy.

Something something inequality of opportunity, mumbles!

You're right, how he got famous is beyond me. Should be locked up.

AfterLife

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Something something inequality of opportunity, mumbles!

You're right, how he got famous is beyond me. Should be locked up.

For what?

Boom_Bap

Locking someone up is a bit extreme no?