Louise O'Neill on manned mission to Mars: "Why not go to Venus?" (MOD Warning post 1)

LLMMLL

LLMMLL wrote: »

Lol seriously? You claimed that it was a vast minority of men who harassed.

Your stat to back that up is the population??? LOL

Yes the population of men aged 25-54 as a good example which feminists claim all have rape or harassment inclinations, where have these 1.087 m committed rape or harassment? Show me some solid examples?

Amazing you would see loads of women on these nights out despite Ireland having a huge rape culture problem. We'll ignore the issues in the middle east where women are treated like dogs and just focus on little old ireland where we might overhear a man saying a 'vewy vewy naughty thing' in the pub

LLMMLL

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes the population of men aged 25-54 as a good example which feminists claim all have rape or harassment inclinations, where have these 1.087 m committed rape or harassment? Show me some solid examples?

Amazing you would see loads of women on these nights out despite Ireland having a huge rape culture problem. We'll ignore the issues in the middle east where women are treated like dogs and just focus on little old ireland where we might overhear a man saying a 'vewy vewy naughty thing' in the pub

How is the population statistic a good measure of how many men harass women?

It's like providing the population of Ireland to answer the question "how many Irish people own a Toyota". In fact, when you asked me to backup my belief that 20-60% of men have harassed women I am now providing a statistic for you: the male population of Ireland aged between 25 and 54 is 1.087m. Agree with me now?

Ah tipp_gunner. You gave me a good laugh. I'll give you that.

LLMMLL

LLMMLL wrote: »

How is the population statistic a good measure of how many men harass women?

It's like providing the population of Ireland to answer the question "how many Irish people own a Toyota". In fact, when you asked me to backup my belief that 20-60% of men have harassed women I am now providing a statistic for you: the male population of Ireland aged between 25 and 54 is 1.087m. Agree with me now?

Ah tipp_gunner. You gave me a good laugh. I'll give you that.

If you want a good laugh you should read some of your own posts when you sober up.

So your belief is that 20% of those just over 1m irish men has committed a sexual crime....... Still no actual evidence???? Nope thought not. Your the joke around here pal. Still thanks for keeping the thread going. Its great fun tearing your bullshít apart

Sunny Disposition

Laugh if you want, she has exposed the misogynism that defines Ireland and has even begun to offer a pathway to a new more mature western society in which patriarchy will no longer flourish.

In a recent article she said that people were unnerved by her because she is 'a strong woman with strong opinions'. But she has not been silenced by the cacophony of sexists here and elsewhere, as her beliefs and opinions resonate with more and more human actors and agencies.

LLMMLL

LLMMLL wrote: »

Lol seriously? You claimed that it was a vast minority of men who harassed.

Your stat to back that up is the population??? LOL

So over 1m men of the going out age are rapists and we have a massive rape culture issue in this country??? Of course it is your belief that its 1 in 5.... Who needs evidence eh :rolleyes:

LLMMLL

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So over 1m men of the going out age are rapists and we have a massive rape culture issue in this country??? Of course it is your belief that its 1 in 5.... Who needs evidence eh :rolleyes:

If you would actually read my posts I never speculaed once on the number of men who are rapists.

Although apparently all I need to do now to back up any of my posts is mention the population of Ireland.

Sunny Disposition

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Laugh if you want, she has exposed the misogynism that defines Ireland and has even begun to offer a pathway to a new more mature western society in which patriarchy will no longer flourish.

In a recent article she said that people were unnerved by her because she is 'a strong woman with strong opinions'. But she has not been silenced by the cacophony of sexists here and elsewhere, as her beliefs and opinions resonate with more and more human actors and agencies.

She has been challenged on her views and ran for the hills. Shes a fake. if she is leading us on a pathway to a more 'mature' western society we are well and truly fúcked.

She is a spoofer and a misandrist. Why would she be silenced when junk newspapers are giving her a platform and loads of money?

Sunny Disposition

She has not ran for the hills. She continues to offer society searingly incisive commmetary week in, week out, despite the big guns of the patriarchy being trained upon her.

In her early 30a she is on the cusp of creating a new society where female and LGBTQ people of talent finally step out of the shadows and begins to occupy their places in the world.

HappyAsLarE

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Laugh if you want, she has exposed the misogynism that defines Ireland and has even begun to offer a pathway to a new more mature western society in which patriarchy will no longer flourish.

In a recent article she said that people were unnerved by her because she is 'a strong woman with strong opinions'. But she has not been silenced by the cacophony of sexists here and elsewhere, as her beliefs and opinions resonate with more and more human actors and agencies.

The patriarchy doesn’t exist in Ireland today. So hard luck.

givyjoe

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

She has not ran for the hills. She continues to offer society searingly incisive commmetary week in, week out, despite the big guns of the patriarchy being trained upon her.

In her early 30a she is on the cusp of creating a new society where female and LGBTQ people of talent finally step out of the shadows and begins to occupy their places in the world.

I'll bite.. despite what seems to be obvious satire.. what big guns do you refer to?!

Sunny Disposition

The army of cyber cynics who seem to get out of bed to hurl abuse at Clonakilty.

LLMMLL

LLMMLL wrote: »

If you would actually read my posts I never speculaed once on the number of men who are rapists.

Although apparently all I need to do now to back up any of my posts is mention the population of Ireland.

You seem to be a slow coach so im going to try and explain this simple fact to you one more time.

You asked me to backup my claim that the minority of men commit harassment so i think its a fair assessment to assume with human nature being human nature and the law of averages that the vast minority of these 1m men between 25 and 54 are good decent honest people who treat others with respect. That would be further backed up by the lack of actual numbers in terms of how many women have claimed to have been raped/sexually assaulted or harassed in this country.

Your plucked a 'belief' that one in five are doing this and you have the cheek to scoff at the comments of others?? ha ha behave

py2006

LLMMLL wrote: »

I'm open on that point. I definitely don't think it's a small minority. But im open to it being a minority (say 20%) and I'm open to it being a small majority (50-60%).

If there was a heaven, I would throw my eyes up there...

givyjoe

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

The army of cyber cynics who seem to get out of bed to hurl abuse at Clonakilty.

Ah yes, my what big guns we have!

Sunny Disposition

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

The patriarchy doesn’t exist in Ireland today. So hard luck.

Really.. What about the absence of challenging roles for females in theatre, for just one example?

HappyAsLarE

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Really.. What about the absence of challenging roles for females in theatre, for just one example?

How does one determine objectively if a role is “challenging”?

Maybe females are so good that nothing is challenging.

Sunny Disposition

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Really.. What about the absence of challenging roles for females in theatre, for just one example?

Could you actually flesh your point out more and name a couple of examples where this has happened? i.e which productions were females not given a challenging role?

py2006

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Laugh if you want, she has exposed the misogynism that defines Ireland and has even begun to offer a pathway to a new more mature western society in which patriarchy will no longer flourish.

In a recent article she said that people were unnerved by her because she is 'a strong woman with strong opinions'. But she has not been silenced by the cacophony of sexists here and elsewhere, as her beliefs and opinions resonate with more and more human actors and agencies.

The above post is a perfect example of the twisted influence of modern day feminism on some young women.

It has infiltrated social media and now seems to have its voice in maintsteam media.

That is why LON and Una etc are gathering attention and called out here. I only wish it was in the media too.

Thankfully those in their right mind will reject this nonsense.

LLMMLL

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You seem to be a slow coach so im going to try and explain this simple fact to you one more time.

You asked me to backup my claim that the minority of men commit harassment so i think its a fair assessment to assume with human nature being human nature and the law of averages that the vast minority of these 1m men between 25 and 54 are good decent honest people who treat others with respect. That would be further backed up by the lack of actual numbers in terms of how many women have claimed to have been raped/sexually assaulted or harassed in this country.

Your plucked a 'belief' that one in five are doing this and you have the cheek to scoff at the comments of others?? ha ha behave

"It's fair to assume" is just your personal opinion. It's not backed up by stats at all (apart from the population lol).

So you've no stats to back up what you ASSUME.but demand stats from me.

Sunny Disposition

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Could you actually flesh your point out more and name a couple of examples where this has happened? i.e which productions were females not given a challenging role?

Only one of the killers in Love/Hate was a woman. Going back further Biddy in Glenroenwas often referred to as a farmers wife rather than a farmer.

HappyAsLarE

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Only one of the killers in Love/Hate was a woman. Going back further Biddy in Glenroenwas often referred to as a farmers wife rather than a farmer.

Haha WTF.

Outlaw Pete

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Laugh if you want, she has exposed the misogynism that defines Ireland and has even begun to offer a pathway to a new more mature western society in which patriarchy will no longer flourish.

Misogyny? Do me a favour. She spouts misandric nonsense that is quite easily refuted. From debunked wage gap bs to Ireland being a rape culture. In fact I would suggest that the fact that she is female is why she gets away with it, as in Ireland, for some reason, challenging a woman's views is a big No-No. Rather than debate with those who challenge her she blocks them or campaigns for their voices to be silenced.

In a recent article she said that people were unnerved by her because she is 'a strong woman with strong opinions'.

Yes, we all read it. So what? You think just the fact that she made this ludicrous claim makes it so?

But she has not been silenced by the cacophony of sexists here and elsewhere, as her beliefs and opinions resonate with more and more human actors and agencies.

Laughable claiming Louise's detractors are sexist when she is the one that regularly makes sexist statements, such as that it's impossible to be sexist towards men and that we should always believe women/disbelieve men. That when a man is a victim of revenge porn it's not nearly as bad as when a woman is.

And as for suggesting people want to silence her, the opposite is true as she is the one that has actively campaigned to try and silence others:

"I have emailed complaints@rte.ie to voice my discomfort with Katie Hopkins being invited on and I won't be watching the show tonight. I believe the Late Late is an important show and has traditionally been a vehicle for social change and education in Irish society. Having Hopkins on does not in any way fit this mandate."

LLMMLL

LLMMLL wrote: »

"It's fair to assume" is just your personal opinion. It's not backed up by stats at all (apart from the population lol).

So you've no stats to back up what you ASSUME.but demand stats from me.

Rape, Sexual abuse and Sexual harrassment is a pretty damn serious societal problem to have in Ireland and you claim one in five men are at it on average?? :rolleyes:

Let me explain to you how the burden of proof works because i know you feminazi's like to think it shouldnt apply to victims of rape and that word should be taken without the need for even an investigation. The burden of proof lies with the accuser who is making a claim that 1 in 5 men are guilty of raping and harrassing women in Ireland. Innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. That is the way a proper society works. Not, she said this so case closed

Sunny Disposition

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Really.. What about the absence of challenging roles for females in theatre, for just one example?

I'm curious... Assuming that male playwrights and directors aren't creating challenging roles for women (not that I think they are), but what's stopping female playwrights/directors from creating such roles, and getting the funding/support to present them?

Interesting stats on the gender differences with regards to those working in the industry.
http://www.irishtheatreinstitute.ie/attachments/2ec80fd4-3289-43db-b810-57bd44a370fa.PDF

But I do find the stats on this report interesting:
http://artsaudiences.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Arts-Attendance-in-Ireland-2012-2013-published.pdf

There are generally more women going to the theater than men. I assume like any entertainment industry they must need to fulfill the desires of the audience, so perhaps the audiences don't feel there is a lack of female roles? Otherwise there would be.

LLMMLL

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Rape, Sexual abuse and Sexual harrassment is a pretty damn serious societal problem to have in Ireland and you claim one in five men are at it on average?? :rolleyes:

Yes sexual harrassment. Not rape.

If the majority of men were engaging in such behavior, then feminists would be able to clearly show it to be an issue. They haven't.

Logic would dictate that if the majority of men were engaging in such behavior, then it wouldn't be frowned upon within society. There wouldn't be laws against harassing or assaulting women, because the majority would favor the clear legal permission to behave that way, and they'd be able to get it because they wouldn't care about women's rights.

Alas, I suppose logic isn't terribly fashionable either these days.

I find it interesting because of the lack of logic in Feminist thinking. If men really were behaving in this manner in such numbers, where would women get the support to change anything?

After all, many women find the competitive nature of leadership/management positions to be intimidating. Even with the ability to run for political office, the numbers interested in campaigning for office are really low (hence the quotas supposedly needed). So.... how would women make all the changes that have happened over the last few decades without the interest & support of men...

BUT... if the majority of men are harassing and abusing women, why would we also help them gain protection from our favorite hobby?

HappyAsLarE

Your logic doesn’t fix my feelings!

Sunny Disposition

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm curious... Assuming that male playwrights and directors aren't creating challenging roles for women (not that I think they are), but what's stopping female playwrights/directors from creating such roles, and getting the funding/support to present them?

Interesting stats on the gender differences with regards to those working in the industry.
http://www.irishtheatreinstitute.ie/attachments/2ec80fd4-3289-43db-b810-57bd44a370fa.PDF

But I do find the stats on this report interesting:
http://artsaudiences.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Arts-Attendance-in-Ireland-2012-2013-published.pdf

There are generally more women going to the theater than men. I assume like any entertainment industry they must need to fulfill the desires of the audience, so perhaps the audiences don't feel there is a lack of female roles? Otherwise there would be.

Yes, they don't feel the need, largely due to a patriarchal culture.

HappyAsLarE

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Yes, they don't feel the need, largely due to a patriarchal culture.

I’m curious, are you in anyway reconsidering your stance or have you pure selective reading ability?

LLMMLL

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the majority of men were engaging in such behavior, then feminists would be able to clearly show it to be an issue. They haven't.

They have. But some people will never acknowledge it to be an issue.

Logic would dictate that if the majority of men were engaging in such behavior, then it wouldn't be frowned upon within society. There wouldn't be laws against harassing or assaulting women, because the majority would favor the clear legal permission to behave that way, and they'd be able to get it because they wouldn't care about women's rights.

Alas, I suppose logic isn't terribly fashionable either these days.

That's if you think human behaviour is logical. Which youd have to be crazy to think.

Many people are completely incapable of assessing their own actions with even a semblance of objectivity. I would think that most harassers do not believe they are harassing. There's always some exception to excuse their behaviour. These are harassers who are probably against harrassment.

I find it interesting because of the lack of logic in Feminist thinking. If men really were behaving in this manner in such numbers, where would women get the support to change anything?

After all, many women find the competitive nature of leadership/management positions to be intimidating. Even with the ability to run for political office, the numbers interested in campaigning for office are really low (hence the quotas supposedly needed). So.... how would women make all the changes that have happened over the last few decades without the interest & support of men...

Because these men do not see themselves as harassers.

You do realise that just because you didn't quote me doesn't mean you're not engaging with me? I was going to ignore the posts you made that didn't reference my ideas but since you keep coming back I'd like to address your recent post about female audiences in the theatre.

klaz wrote:

There are generally more women going to the theater than men. I assume like any entertainment industry they must need to fulfill the desires of the audience, so perhaps the audiences don't feel there is a lack of female roles? Otherwise there would be.

Gay people have been claimijg since at least the early 2000s (possibly longer) that they are underrepresented on Tv/cinema etc. That doesn't mean they stopped going to the cinema. They're normal people who are well capable of enjoying stories about straight people. By your "logic" if they really had a problem with underrepresentation in cultural media then they simply would have stopped going to the cinema. I mean it's "logical" but it makes no sense at all.