First Time Buyer

JoeOC99

Hi all,

My partner and I are currently in the process of applying for a mortgage and we are hoping to purchase in 2018.

We are very keen on Greystones and we visited today to take a look around the Waverly, Seagreen, Glenheron and Thorndale (Delgany) developments. We are looking for a 3 bed semi d in the region of 400k.

I am hoping some of you familiar with the property market in the area may be able to assist with a few questions...

- Are there any other new build options other than those I mentioned? I am aware of marina village but had been told it was all 450k and upwards.
- Glenheron are said to start at 395k but I assume this is for the terraced options.. do you know what the 3 bed semi d's have been going for?
- I read on here that Waverly start at 415 (Sherry fitz had told me they start at 380?).. is this correct? And I also read in the same thread that there was crazy queues for days for the last phase with no info from SF as to when they would be released... is this the case? Worrying given that I am not living in the area and wouldn't be able to do nights of queueing...
- Finally I was also told that the next phases of Seagreen will be 4/5 beds only, is this correct?

Any answers to these queries would be really appreciated, as well as general advice at all to prepare myself for the madness and the best chance of securing what we are looking for!

loyatemu

there's another estate going in beside/behind Glenheron - same developer but more houses. Probably won't be starting until next year though. There's also permission granted for a big estate behind St. Laurences School, but I don't know when that's likely to to be available.

There are a few 3-beds available on MyHome for < 450K in Charlesland and Redford Park.

JoeOC99

Thanks for this. Will keep an eye out for those new estates.

We are applying for the Help to Buy so will have to be new builds.

loyatemu wrote: »

there's another estate going in beside/behind Glenheron - same developer but more houses. Probably won't be starting until next year though. There's also permission granted for a big estate behind St. Laurences School, but I don't know when that's likely to to be available.

There are a few 3-beds available on MyHome for < 450K in Charlesland and Redford Park.

Don't Chute!

We've bought one of the 3 bed semis in Glenheron at 400k but expect them to go up quite a bit for phase two. Cairns also have another site in Blacklion but not sure when they are starting on it.

loyatemu

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Cairns also have another site in Blacklion but not sure when they are starting on it.

do they? they have a big sign up in a field opposite Redford Cemetery but I don't think they've applied for planning yet (if indeed they actually own that field).

JoeOC99

No 3 beds in the next phase in Glenheron or Seagreen. So we are getting ready for Waverly!

Don't Chute!

loyatemu wrote: »

do they? they have a big sign up in a field opposite Redford Cemetery but I don't think they've applied for planning yet (if indeed they actually own that field).

That's just what I heard, maybe I'm wrong.

Zoo4m8

Don't Chute! wrote: »

That's just what I heard, maybe I'm wrong.

You’re not wrong..

loyatemu

Zoo4m8 wrote: »

You’re not wrong..

Fair enough, but if they haven't applied for planning it'll be some time before any houses are for sale.

Blingy

There is also a big site behind Bellevue heights and delgany glen that will be built on. They already have planning I think (well they did have years ago) and I think it's wood group homes that own it. No idea when it's due to start.

loyatemu

Blingy wrote: »

There is also a big site behind Bellevue heights and delgany glen that will be built on. They already have planning I think (well they did have years ago) and I think it's wood group homes that own it. No idea when it's due to start.

I checked that one the other day on the council website and apparently it has been appealed.

FirstIn

The problem is the town will be ruined by this excessive building. The infrastructure isn’t up to it. Already we have bad congestion through the town. We have clubs with long waiting lists. Some of the schools are under pressure.

People are being sold a dream lifestyle. An enviable lifestyle I think I saw written on hoarding surrounding one of the building sites. It’s a joke.

Give builders permission to build and they’ll build once they can make money out of it. Do they care you’ll be stuck in traffic through the town at 8.45 in the morning? Care the park and ride is now full at 8am? That you can’t get your children in to the sports club you want ?

Those responsible for granting permission for more houses need to ensure that the town can cope. As far as I am concerned it can’t.

Don't Chute!

FirstIn wrote: »

The problem is the town will be ruined by this excessive building. The infrastructure isn’t up to it. Already we have bad congestion through the town. We have clubs with long waiting lists. Some of the schools are under pressure.

People are being sold a dream lifestyle. An enviable lifestyle I think I saw written on hoarding surrounding one of the building sites. It’s a joke.

Give builders permission to build and they’ll build once they can make money out of it. Do they care you’ll be stuck in traffic through the town at 8.45 in the morning? Care the park and ride is now full at 8am? That you can’t get your children in to the sports club you want ?

Those responsible for granting permission for more houses need to ensure that the town can cope. As far as I am concerned it can’t.

You REALLY don't want anyone else to live in Greystones do you? How much of that traffic is caused by people who don't need to be in their cars in the first place.

2011

Don't Chute! wrote: »

You REALLY don't want anyone else to live in Greystones do you? How much of that traffic is caused by people who don't need to be in their cars in the first place.

It is this type of mentality that got us into the mess we are now in. Bad planning has a lasting impact. Local infrastructure can only take so much.

sarah1900

Hello,

We have bought in Glenheron, we were also looking at waverly and seagreen but decided on Glenheron. The queue system for waverly was mad, people camping in their cars etc! The build quality of glenheron is incredible and cairn have been top class to deal with. As per another post, the next release of glenheron are 4 beds, meant to be 500k plus. They will be building another 192 houses over the next 18 months on the site next to the current glenheron development. Seagreen and Waverly also have lots more to release. I have heard a few people having trouble with snags in seagreen at present, the waverly feedback has been positive. Although I believe traffic is an issue. Hope it all goes well for you

alexnapier101

Just took a stroll past Glenheron today, and noticed people have moved in.

We got to have a good look at the estate and it is really taking good shape now, it appears spacious and well laid out with a mix of different units.

I am sure anybody who has bought is going to be delighted.

swingking

Is there a right of way through Glenheron from Charlesland to the Kilcoole Road to access the 84 bus stop, can anyone tell me?

Don't Chute!

swingking wrote: »

Is there a right of way through Glenheron from Charlesland to the Kilcoole Road to access the 84 bus stop, can anyone tell me?

Not sure if you can get through at the moment but I know there will be when it's finished.

2011

alexnapier101 wrote: »

We got to have a good look at the estate and it is really taking good shape now, it appears spacious and well laid out with a mix of different units.

I am sure anybody who has bought is going to be delighted.

Yes, they look very well.
Build quality and design is excellent, especially when compared to so many Celtic Tiger built houses.

neckedit

2011 wrote: »

Yes, they look very well.
Build quality and design is excellent, especially when compared to so many Celtic Tiger built houses.

I had a look at them I thought they were quiet small for the price.

2011

neckedit wrote: »

I had a look at them I thought they were quiet small for the price.

I agree, but I could say the same for many of the homes within 1km of that area. The difference is these are far better built than most of the others.

neckedit

2011 wrote: »

I agree, but I could say the same for many of the homes within 1km of that area. The difference is these are far better built than most of the others.

I will bow to you on this one, I've looked around alot of them lately and I'm not sure I noticed a difference between any off them in terms of quality of build. But I am new to the house market.

The Bishop Basher

2011 wrote: »

I agree, but I could say the same for many of the homes within 1km of that area. The difference is these are far better built than most of the others.

What are the differences ?

2011

Swanner wrote: »

What are the differences ?

The standard of insulation, how it is installed and the type of insulation would be a big one. Quality of windows and doors would be another. Plumbing and wiring would be another. General finish is also better compared to most due to more contentious trades people I would think.

Owlet

I hope you dont mind me joining this thread. My husband and I are in a similar position, just starting to look at moving to greystones, trading up and ideally looking for a 4 bed semi, though I see prices are creeping up all over the place.

I was just wondering if anyone local could give realistic times for walking from the various new estates to the train station. When we drove around the other day I was surprised just how far out of town the developments were (we hadn't appreciated the scale of the town). I couldn't see myself walking to the dart for 30 mins, then taking a 50 minute journey to the city... but maybe there are short cuts I'm not aware of? Or do most people drive to the city/dart station?

Blingy

A lot of people drive and use the free park and ride parking (which usually fills up around 8am) or cycle. Or use the bus 84x depending on where you are living. Also a lot of people drive to work hence the crazy traffic leaving Greystones and coming back in the evening. Or drive to a luas.

loyatemu

The new developments are all a bit of a hike from the village and the Dart - get a bike would be my advice, though this may not suit everyone.

Glenheron is probably handier in this respect than the estates up on the hill - you could cycle through Charlesland and there are cycle lanes from there to the village. From Waverly it's downhill all the way in the morning, but a serious climb in the evening, and there are no cycle lanes and the traffic is worse at the northern end of the town. Probably handier for the primary schools though, at least until the new one is built in Charlesland.

Annasopra

With glenheron you could possibly get the 84 bus (1 every hour) to dart station

FirstIn

Owlet wrote: »

I hope you dont mind me joining this thread. My husband and I are in a similar position, just starting to look at moving to greystones, trading up and ideally looking for a 4 bed semi, though I see prices are creeping up all over the place.

I was just wondering if anyone local could give realistic times for walking from the various new estates to the train station. When we drove around the other day I was surprised just how far out of town the developments were (we hadn't appreciated the scale of the town). I couldn't see myself walking to the dart for 30 mins, then taking a 50 minute journey to the city... but maybe there are short cuts I'm not aware of? Or do most people drive to the city/dart station?

You’re right. And some are perilously close to Kilcoole!
Greystones is saturated. Over developed. Ruined. Bad planning. Traffic jams , oversubscribed clubs, waiting lists, difficulty getting in to preferred schools. Unfortunately it’s only going to get worse.

It’s a pity. A shame. I can reminisce when this wasn’t the case. We had a hotel, in fact we had 2, a great night club, no traffic jams, a park and ride you could actually park in, people knew each other , no Dublin flags flying from houses and a beautiful harbour you could leave you’re boat in without paying a fortune.

The only thing I can think of that is an improvement is shoreline and the swimming pool.

sightband

Owlet wrote: »

I hope you dont mind me joining this thread. My husband and I are in a similar position, just starting to look at moving to greystones, trading up and ideally looking for a 4 bed semi, though I see prices are creeping up all over the place.

I was just wondering if anyone local could give realistic times for walking from the various new estates to the train station. When we drove around the other day I was surprised just how far out of town the developments were (we hadn't appreciated the scale of the town). I couldn't see myself walking to the dart for 30 mins, then taking a 50 minute journey to the city... but maybe there are short cuts I'm not aware of? Or do most people drive to the city/dart station?

spent 4 years commuting from greystones to monkstown for work, on a weekend this would take about 15-20 minutes by car. weekdays this was about 45 minutes to over an hour, if lucky. Very often there would be a fender bender somewhere along the route from glen of the downs to kilmac and you would be down to one lane and seriously delayed. The dart cannot be relied upon, there is also often delays and incidents with the tracks, lines etc. delays again and stuck on a bus. Never any hope of seating so standing all the way and as mentioned park and ride is full very early...all in all, it’s a complete nightmare and we moved back to Dublin a few years back for this very reason. You’ll see al the brochures for greystones try and sell this dream of a commute to the city, it’s not far in distance and this much is true but for a morning and evening commute it can take 3 hours of your day easily and this can happen often.

so happy to see the back of the place.

adam14

Agree with the last few posts. The town is destroyed with bad planning and it will only get worse when farrankelly, coolagad and rest of charlesland are built on. Thousands more houses in the pipeline. Commute time to IFSC is 3 hours door to door on a good day.

sightband

REFLINE1 wrote: »

Not sure Greystones is any worse in terms of the commuter pain than any other comparable town. Even from likes of Stepaside takes about the same time to IFSC. Dublin roads are jammed everywhere so unless your pretty close to town a painful commute is inevitable

about tenfold worse. you are delusional if you think stepaside to Ifsc is anything like greysontes to there. spent four wasted years of commuting that short distance with delays, late for work, additional child care costs, endless apologies to colleagues and child minders...greystones is a great spot...to retire in, and occasionally go into
town on the weekend.

that junction at glen of the downs to kilcroney is bumper to bumper from 7:30am on. Southern cross road just as disastrous. It’s only going to get worse, the infrastructure just can’t handle it, roads, public transport...no long term planning, no foresight, get banks recapitalised and namas hands washed clean of land they need to get rid of just build, build, build, because people need homes. here we go again folks...

Sasso

What's the name of this thread again ?

sightband

Sasso wrote: »

What's the name of this thread again ?

First time buyer in the Greystones and Charlesland forum

Blingy

Everyone has their own commuting experience. Some people have been commuting for years and don't complain too much and others can't stand it. It depends what's important to you.
I think Greystones has a lot to offer but it's not for everyone.

sightband

Blingy wrote: »

Everyone has their own commuting experience. Some people have been commuting for years and don't complain too much and others can't stand it. It depends what's important to you.
I think Greystones has a lot to offer but it's not for everyone.

no, you’re completely missing the point. I’ve commuted very long distances in various countries and it has for the most part been a smooth, reliable and punctual experience over long distances which I have been more than happy to endure because it was dependable and I knew when I had to get up to be on time and when I would or could be home.

I rarely had this experience in a 25km journey which regularly took over an hour and half. I agree greystones has a lot to offer, but very little if you work in Dublin city centre and intend on commuting.

Don't Chute!

I work in Skerries and it takes me about an hour in the morning and an hour and twenty minutes in the evening. I must be doing something wrong.

Don't Chute!

FirstIn wrote: »

You’re right. And some are perilously close to Kilcoole!
Greystones is saturated. Over developed. Ruined. Bad planning. Traffic jams , oversubscribed clubs, waiting lists, difficulty getting in to preferred schools. Unfortunately it’s only going to get worse.

It’s a pity. A shame. I can reminisce when this wasn’t the case. We had a hotel, in fact we had 2, a great night club, no traffic jams, a park and ride you could actually park in, people knew each other , no Dublin flags flying from houses and a beautiful harbour you could leave you’re boat in without paying a fortune.

The only thing I can think of that is an improvement is shoreline and the swimming pool.

I see you still have that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder.

sightband

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I work in Skerries and it takes me about an hour in the morning and an hour and twenty minutes in the evening. I must be doing something wrong.

what hour of the morning and evening is this 2am and 10pm or thereabouts?

Cerco

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I see you still have that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder.

That makes, at least, two us so!

I do empathise with the sentiments expressed although wasted energy perhaps because that scenario is irretrievable. Not sure about the reference to Kilcoole although I take it to mean the greater expansion co-joining the towns.
On a positive note, perhaps other towns will do a case study of Greystones, then and now, to learn from the blundering and deleterious exploitation of our village/town.

FirstIn

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I see you still have that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder.

I have an opinion predicated on facts. Please point out what you believe is factually wrong with what I’ve written. I know what it has been like to live in Greystones for over 40 years.

I know many people in greystones have the same opinions. In fact it is clear to see contributors to this thread have the same opinions.

The town is choking and it will deteriorate further.

And to add, if you can get on the road at some crazy red eye time (who wants that every day!) you’ll get to skerries in an hour. Try dropping the kids to school and then getting to skerries in an hour. Not a hope. Most people moving to Greystones have school going kids or will do shortly. They won’t all have the luxury of leaving home when it suits them.

I have to drive some days and it can take 10 minutes to get from one end of the Main Street to the other and then it’s up Jinx’s hill and Blacklion, another traffic jam. Some mornings the tail back to the southern cross is back to the top of windgates and at Hill’s garage it’s another disaster. All told to get on to the N11 at Kilcroney can , and does , easily take close to an hour. Choking Mr Don’t Chute. The place is choking. The infrastructure isn’t up to it.

Don't Chute!

FirstIn wrote: »

I have an opinion predicated on facts. Please point out what you believe is factually wrong with what I’ve written. I know what it has been like to live in Greystones for over 40 years.

I know many people in greystones have the same opinions. In fact it is clear to see contributors to this thread have the same opinions.

The town is choking and it will deteriorate further.

And to add, if you can get on the road at some crazy red eye time (who wants that every day!) you’ll get to skerries in an hour. Try dropping the kids to school and then getting to skerries in an hour. Not a hope. Most people moving to Greystones have school going kids or will do shortly. They won’t all have the luxury of leaving home when it suits them.

I have to drive some days and it can take 10 minutes to get from one end of the Main Street to the other and then it’s up Jinx’s hill and Blacklion, another traffic jam. Some mornings the tail back to the southern cross is back to the top of windgates and at Hill’s garage it’s another disaster. All told to get on to the N11 at Kilcroney can , and does , easily take close to an hour. Choking Mr Don’t Chute. The place is choking. The infrastructure isn’t up to it.

I have a child in school I leave about 6-50am. If you you think that is some crazy "red eye time" then you live a very cosseted life. People cannot expect to leave their house at 8-30 and arrive in the city centre at 9-00. I have lived in Greystones for 13 years and not once have I been stuck in traffic, not once! <Mod snip>

FirstIn

Don't Chute! wrote: »

<Mod snip>

Im glad the town is full of people like me. People that can see the damage excessive housing is now doing. Of course there was going to be new housing in Greystones and around Greystones. The problem is there is too much , the town can’t cope. Do you think the town is coping now and well positioned to do so with the new estates coming on stream ? I don’t.

The details of driving I gave above are accurate. Real. I don’t expect to get to the city centre in 30 mins leaving at 8.30. That’s daft.

Pedanticness

I've bought a 4 bed in Glenheron, its about 19 square feet smaller than the same in Waverly, but based on the last phase is was 30k cheaper so I'm happy out.
Having lived and grown up in Greystones & Kilcoole my whole life (bar a brief stint in the city centre) I don't think its any worse then every other commuter town. I commute to the city centre daily, takes me about an hour and ten minutes door to door on the dart, including the drive and walk from the park and ride.
The odd day I drive, I leave about 6:50 and would be at my desk by 7:30. Leave at 4:30 be home by 5:30. 
Personally I think a commute of between 1hr - 1hr 20 is reasonable. When I lived in Dublin it was between Teneure and Kimmage (about 8k from work) it would often take over an hour on a bus.

2011

Mod note: Don't Chute! either post in a civil manner or don't post at all.

FirstIn is entitled to express the widely held view that some poor planning decisions have been made in Greystones just as you are entitled to express an opposing view.

Thank you

artvandelay48

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I work in Skerries and it takes me about an hour in the morning and an hour and twenty minutes in the evening. I must be doing something wrong.

Hey!! Don't be getting all positive here!

d0157063

Hello All,

We were in Charlesland Park today for 4 bed duplex viewing and seriously thinking to buy the place as it ticks all boxes. I re-read all the comments and we are too concerned about the morning commute. Today it only took us 5 mins to Dart station but I believe is not the case of weekdays, what is the other option if free park and ride gets full ? is 84x and 184 very frequent before 10 a.m.? This will be imp for our decision. I asked around in shops, locals today and nobody seemed to raise any real concern, all said it is not that bad. One of our friends leaves around 07:45, parks in free parking and takes 08:00 dart from last 2 years with no issues.

With price of around 400K should we wait for new houses in Waverly, Glenheron, etc or close the deal assuming all works fine. We were told Charlesland was built in 2003 so not that old for first time purchase. Any other things to consider please (apologies if repeating)

your views please

thanks

Annasopra

The 184 is every 30 Minutes.

In the mornings the 84x is approximately every 10 minutes between 7am and 8am.

Morning traffic can get hectic because of the schools.

If it was me I would be torn between Charlesland being nearer to Greystones and Glenheron being a brand new build.

d0157063

thanks, quickly checked the timetable for 84X, wonder why is it not every 10 mins atleast till 9:00 a.m., would have been much easier to completely avoid free park and ride.

Any ideas if 84X is punctual every 10 mins or is in theory only ? Either ways looks like need to depart around 7:30 for city center commute

sightband

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

If it was me I would be torn between Charlesland being nearer to Greystones and Glenheron being a brand new build.

you could literally spit on the houses in charlesland from glenheron.

Annasopra

sightband wrote: »

you could literally spit on the houses in charlesland from glenheron.

They are much further up the Farrankelly road