Therapeutic Benifits. Arguing on Boards.ie

Do you relish arguing with people on Boards? Are there any therapeutic benefits attached?

All comments welcome. Many thanks.

Ubbquittious

No. A lot of the people arguing are just mindless victims of the outrage virus. You won't change their views by arguing with them and therefore there's no point.

The_Valeyard

You're all cnuts.

Hammer89

I relish them like I relish a kick in the cock. They're usually tedious, lengthy and ultimately futile, to the point you wonder what the point is. I can hold my own for a few responses, but when it gets to the point where the other person quotes your long post in about nine different segments, meaning you have to respond to nine different points, then I tend to throw in the towel. No offence to anyone who does take this approach - I appreciate it's necessary sometimes - but I just can't be arsed, not unless it's something I'm hugely passionate about.

cantdecide

Ubbquittious wrote: »

No. A lot of the people arguing are just mindless victims of the outrage virus. You won't change their views by arguing with them and therefore there's no point.

Take that back :mad:

cantdecide

Hammer89 wrote: »

...I relish a kick in the cock... They're usually tedious, lengthy and ultimately futile

Well my yoke isn't any of those things (esp. lengthy ).

GhostyMcGhost

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You're all cnuts.

Discuss

The_Valeyard

valoren

There's debating where you might learn something new, which is beneficial and there is arguing where both sides have firmly entrenched opinions and are unwilling to learn anything new. You learn to see the difference quickly here.

eamonnq

I never give opinions and I never state views, after all you can't be sure that what they say is true.

RobbingBandit

Should be a self quoting thread for all the dumb bastids to out dumb themselves.

RobbingBandit

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Should be a self quoting thread for all the dumb bastids to out dumb themselves.

Yeah +1m

Assetbacked

Fake news is the whinge of the ignorant.

Boom_Bap

I'm actually one of the 3 people on boards that wants to learn and be enlightened from another viewpoint.

Insect Overlord

There was one fantastic thread a few years back where a few die-hard anti-MMA posters basically admitted they never really watched the sport. By the end of it they were happy to take a closer look and educate themselves instead of mouthing off like the callers to Liveline that week. Not that they became fans of MMA themselves, but at least they could appreciate the reasons why others might love it.

That's the kind of argument that we can really benefit from, one where everyone learns something from each other.

Assetbacked

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I'm actually one of the 3 people on boards that wants to learn and be enlightened from another viewpoint.

/unzips trousers

I have an enlightening view point for you right here.

Boom_Bap

Assetbacked wrote: »

/unzips trousers

I have an enlightening view point for you right here.

Ah, I'm enlightened, I thought micro penises where a myth! :D:D

PARlance

Hammer89 wrote: »

I relish them like I relish a kick in the cock.

Ouch.

Hammer89 wrote: »

They're usually tedious, lengthy and ultimately futile, to the point you wonder what the point is. I can hold my own

Hold your own what?

Hammer89 wrote: »

for a few responses, but when it gets to the point where the other person quotes your long post in about nine different segments, meaning you have to respond to nine different points, then I tend to throw in the towel.

They're called multi-quotes.

Hammer89 wrote: »

No offence to anyone who does take this approach - I appreciate it's necessary sometimes - but I just can't be arsed, not unless it's something I'm hugely passionate about.

100% of people that use them are cocks.

Lorelli!

I don't know if they are therapeutic for people op but I've definitely thought of this scene a few times when reading some of the more chaotic threads :pac:

Insect Overlord

Lorelli! wrote: »

I don't know if they are therapeutic for people op but I've definitely thought of this scene a few times when reading some of the more chaotic threads :pac:

I don't think I've ever seen a more apt analogy for modern Internet discourse than that scene. It's brilliant. You've got the perfect mirror there for YouTube comments, TheJournal, Twitter, Facebook, everything. It even has Doc Brown as the WUM/troll causing chaos for his own amusement. Just brilliant.

Estrellita

Magnolia Melodic Sinus wrote: »

Do you relish arguing with people on Boards?

Nope. It's a complete waste of time when you think about it. Two people with polar opposite views - nothing will be resolved. You won't change that person's views, nor will they change yours.

Are there any therapeutic benefits attached? .

The therapeutic benefits come when you completely ignore someone that quotes you in a counter argument / view, but you've no respect for them as a poster.

No point getting your knickers in a twist. I do think some people need to take a breather and walk away from the site for a bit though.

LadyMacBeth_

No, I hate arguing. That's why I come along, state my opinion and usually feck off then because I'm not interested in having a tedious never ending debate about it where I don't actually change the other person's mind and they don't change mine either. Usually with some contrary fcuker who'd argue that the sky isn't blue.

Boom_Bap

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

No, I hate arguing. That's why I come along, state my opinion and usually feck off then because I'm not interested in having a tedious never ending debate about it where I don't actually change the other person's mind and they don't change mine either. Usually with someone who'd argue that the sky isn't blue.

the sky is not blue

LadyMacBeth_

Boom_Bap wrote: »

the sky is not blue

:pac:

Boom_Bap

Everyone knows it's the roundhouse kick that wins.

Lorelli!

Lorelli! wrote: »

I don't know if they are therapeutic for people op but I've definitely thought of this scene a few times when reading some of the more chaotic threads :pac:

Hilarious in a sad way. It's all there Lorelli. Yes indeed, it's all there.

cbreeze

I like to go to the end of a long thread and try to guess what the original post was about. I don't argue on Boards, usually someone has the same point of view so no need to wade in.

cantdecide

Anyone that disagrees with me is wrong and should feel bad*.




*I hope you're impressed with my deliberate lack of direct quoting; it's highly passive aggressive and very satisfying to do

cbreeze

cbreeze wrote: »

I like to go to the end of a long thread and try to guess what the original post was about. I don't argue on Boards, usually someone has the same point of view so no need to wade in.

Thats a very good philosophy. I was just about to get stuck into a good old argument elsewhere, but I'll hang back now and wait until the thread has lost its rage.

I'll call in on one of me neglected pals and go for a walk and a coffee instead.

nozzferrahhtoo

Magnolia Melodic Sinus wrote: »

Do you relish arguing with people on Boards? Are there any therapeutic benefits attached?

As someone who would be called (though I do not use the term to describe myself) atheist there are not many thing I worship in life.

But I do "worship" human discourse. I think it is the only way we can ever hope to over come our differences on any level.... individual or cultural or at the level of societies.

But also as a learning tool one can refine one's ideas by putting them out to the scrutiny and critique of others.

So I do not argue for the sake of argument, as I have sometimes been accused. Rather I robustly put forward my views, and the arguments for them, in the hope of testing their mettle by striking them against hard resistance.

And in a world where people seem to never want to be wrong, seen to be wrong, or admit to being wrong........... I think being shown to be wrong in discourse is one of the most wonderful things that can happen to you. Because you learn something new AND get rid of something erroneous in one move.

A point I think that is missed by people who double down on their errors or failures, and defend them to the last.

So yes I relish debate, and hope daily to benefit from it, or that others benefit from it too.

Hammer89 wrote: »

I can hold my own for a few responses, but when it gets to the point where the other person quotes your long post in about nine different segments

I am guilty as charged of that one. Over time though some people have shown me the error of that and I TRY (sometimes fail) to minimize as much as I can how much I do it.

What I have realized is that the QUOTE function, like any other linguistic or formatting tool, is very very useful if used in moderation but becomes the opposite if over used.

Similar example, I sometimes STRESS my words with caps. Which if I do it once or twice in a post is fine. But we have all seen those posts where the USER SHOUTS EVERY word in A SENTENCE AS MUCH as they posssible CAN NO MATTER HOW SILLY it looks.

Any linguistic or formatting or rhetorical tool over used negates and even reverses it's own utility. And I am still learning that myself.

jamesbere

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

No, I hate arguing. That's why I come along, state my opinion and usually feck off then because I'm not interested in having a tedious never ending debate about it where I don't actually change the other person's mind and they don't change mine either. Usually with some contrary fcuker who'd argue that the sky isn't blue.

Yeah same here, I'm quite happy to state my opinion on a subject but I'm not going to argue with someone about it. I think some people on here have a way too much time on there hands.

whoopsadoodles

It's rare I bother my hole arguing on boards; or in life really.

If I do it's probably PMS. (Not joking).

I actually learn a fair amount here. My opinion on a lot of subjects has been changed here. And even if not changed, I've often been able to see things from another viewpoint from reading threads.

Basically I'm a lover not a fighter.

Too lazy to be the latter.

Don Kiddick

I love a good argument me ...more likely to cause them tbh. .and frankly, that's what AH is all about, else we'd all be circle jerking each other off singing Kumbayah and there's no fun in that now is there!

whoopsadoodles

Don Kiddick wrote: »

I love a good argument me ...more likely to cause them tbh. .and frankly, that's what AH is all about, else we'd all be circle jerking each other off singing Kumbayah and there's no fun in that now is there!

Kicking off an argument is a different thing entirely to being involved in one :pac:

faceman

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Everyone knows it's the roundhouse kick that wins.

I hate when people call that a roundhouse kick! It’s a reverse kick! :mad:

Boom_Bap

faceman wrote: »

I hate when people call that a roundhouse kick! It’s a reverse kick! :mad:

What's this one called?

Pintman Paddy Losty

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

As someone who would be called (though I do not use the term to describe myself) atheist there are not many thing I worship in life.

But I do "worship" human discourse. I think it is the only way we can ever hope to over come our differences on any level.... individual or cultural or at the level of societies.

But also as a learning tool one can refine one's ideas by putting them out to the scrutiny and critique of others.

So I do not argue for the sake of argument, as I have sometimes been accused. Rather I robustly put forward my views, and the arguments for them, in the hope of testing their mettle by striking them against hard resistance.

And in a world where people seem to never want to be wrong, seen to be wrong, or admit to being wrong........... I think being shown to be wrong in discourse is one of the most wonderful things that can happen to you. Because you learn something new AND get rid of something erroneous in one move.

A point I think that is missed by people who double down on their errors or failures, and defend them to the last.

So yes I relish debate, and hope daily to benefit from it, or that others benefit from it too.



I am guilty as charged of that one. Over time though some people have shown me the error of that and I TRY (sometimes fail) to minimize as much as I can how much I do it.

What I have realized is that the QUOTE function, like any other linguistic or formatting tool, is very very useful if used in moderation but becomes the opposite if over used.

Similar example, I sometimes STRESS my words with caps. Which if I do it once or twice in a post is fine. But we have all seen those posts where the USER SHOUTS EVERY word in A SENTENCE AS MUCH as they posssible CAN NO MATTER HOW SILLY it looks.

Any linguistic or formatting or rhetorical tool over used negates and even reverses it's own utility. And I am still learning that myself.

nozzferrahhtoo

^None of this I actually said / say of course

retro:electro

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

No, I hate arguing. That's why I come along, state my opinion and usually feck off then because I'm not interested in having a tedious never ending debate about it where I don't actually change the other person's mind and they don't change mine either. Usually with some contrary fcuker who'd argue that the sky isn't blue.

What the fcuk is that supposed to mean????

retro:electro

There are certain topics that'll tickle my fancy where I'll always go in and say my bit. I'll always listen to the other side though and rarely argue. Anything sassy can always be neutralised with one of these --> :pac:
Sure tis only a bit of craic, really.

Don Kiddick

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Kicking off an argument is a different thing entirely to being involved in one :pac:

Well, i do like to start and then after a few pages change to the opposing side....and then back again a page or 2 later.... confuses the hell out of some people

Arghus

No-one ever changes their mind on Boards, but it's an enjoyable challenge to try to articulate your own arguments as best you can.

faceman

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What's this one called?

That’s called a gobshoite kick.

Permabear

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somefeen

It can be entertaining to try and write a well crafted post that gets your opinion across clearly.
It gets tedious though and sometimes after stating an opinion i can't be bothered any further.

You ever met people in real life that love a good argument? Christ they're bores and incredibly annoying.
Went out with a girl like that once.
You say something innocuous and suddenly you are in a position were you have to defend an opinion you don't even really care about.
I'm not even talking about important stuff eg "All fish tastes the same" god what a joy it was debating that throwaway comment.