Insurance claim falls flat.

tayto lover

Fair play to all concerned in this court case and especially the Judge who seems to have seen through the scam fairly well. He ordered Aviva Insurance to sent the file to the Garda for investigation.
There were a lot of other scams that should have been investigated too.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2017/1114/920005-fraud-court/

Beta Ray Bill

Good that she was caught.

But the reality is that nothing will happen her! She won't serve any prison time and there won't be any fines.

She's probably claimed many times before, and got away with it.
Nothing has changed, and nothing will until they start locking people up.

Kristopherus

grahambo wrote: »

Good that she was caught.

But the reality is that nothing will happen her! She won't serve any prison time and there won't be any fines.

She's probably claimed many times before, and got away with it.
Nothing has changed, and nothing will until they start locking people up.

Well, here's hoping she get plenty of jailtime. And when she gets out of jail here, that she'll have another stint in the clink of the Brexiteers:mad:.

And I do suspect that she's one of the recently recognised ethnic group that blots our fair land.:mad:

SEPT 23 1989

McDonagh

fullstop

Another one here, only looking for 40k for his 'troubles' :rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/stripper-32-who-claimed-he-couldnt-lift-children-due-to-crash-loses-case-after-videos-of-his-performances-shown-in-court-36319012.html

Any of these arseholes found to be fraudulently claiming these sums should have to pay that exact sum to the person they're suing once found out. That'd put a stop to bogus claims pretty fast.

andekwarhola

fullstop wrote: »

Another one here, only looking for 40k for his 'troubles' :rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/stripper-32-who-claimed-he-couldnt-lift-children-due-to-crash-loses-case-after-videos-of-his-performances-shown-in-court-36319012.html

Any of these arseholes found to be fraudulently claiming these sums should have to pay that exact sum to the person they're suing once found out. That'd put a stop to bogus claims pretty fast.

Blade Zeps is a pretty cool name.

fullstop

andekwarhola wrote: »

Blade Zeps is a pretty cool name.

It is, pity he's a wanker though.

The_Valeyard

An appeal to a massive payout also succeeded a few days ago. Maybe the judges are finally waking up.

grahambo

grahambo wrote: »

Good that she was caught.

But the reality is that nothing will happen her! She won't serve any prison time and there won't be any fines.

She's probably claimed many times before, and got away with it.
Nothing has changed, and nothing will until they start locking people up.

I'd say where a Judge has said there was fraud, she could be in a lot of trouble. Lengthy jail sentences have been handed down for insurance fraud before. While the evidence has to be clear, where it exists it won't be taken lightly. If the insurance company refer it to the Gardai, they will have to follow it up.

tayto lover

The_Valeyard wrote: »

An appeal to a massive payout also succeeded a few days ago. Maybe the judges are finally waking up.

Any link please.

The_Valeyard

tayto lover wrote: »

Any link please.

Ill try find it. Was to do with a woman slipping on grass trying to take a short cut to a shopping centre.

Gen.Zhukov

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Ill try find it. Was to do with a woman slipping on grass trying to take a short cut to a shopping centre.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-overturns-75k-award-to-woman-who-slipped-on-grassy-slope-outside-dublin-shopping-centre-36308484.html

Cordell

The plaintiff is a fraud who has brought a fraudulent claim set up in an amateur fashion by the slamming on of her brakes," Mr Justice Groarke said

Apparently the judge knows how to do the setup in a professional fashion
Why aren't these cases referred back to DPP or Garda or whoever deals with attempted fraud?

Cordell

Cordell wrote: »

Why aren't these cases referred back to DPP or Garda or whoever deals with attempted fraud?

In which case was there a finding of insurance fraud that wasn't referred to the Gardai?

fullstop

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-overturns-75k-award-to-woman-who-slipped-on-grassy-slope-outside-dublin-shopping-centre-36308484.html

Imagine having the gall to sue someone because you slipped walking on wet grass?!! Ridiculous

tayto lover

fullstop wrote: »

Imagine having the gall to sue someone because you slipped walking on wet grass?!! Ridiculous

I could have been a millionaire

fullstop

fullstop wrote: »

Imagine having the gall to sue someone because you slipped walking on wet grass?!! Ridiculous

Those claims can and do succeed. It very much comes down to the particular facts, there is no principle that there should be a pay out in all such cases or none, generally there will be a finding of contributory negligence anyway.

fullstop

Deleted User wrote: »

Those claims can and do succeed. It very much comes down to the particular facts, there is no principle that there should be a pay out in all such cases or none, generally there will be a finding of contributory negligence anyway.

I know they can succeed, and wrongly as outlined by the link above. You'd want to be some prick to look for compo in a situation like that. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop looking for someone else to blame because they're clumsy.

mfceiling

fullstop wrote: »

People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop looking for someone else to blame because they're clumsy.

Because they're looking for a payout is more likely.

McCrack

These threads get tiresome

Esel

McCrack wrote: »

These threads get tiresome

Sue!

Reckless Abandonment

It's the payouts that are the reason these people do it.
Ffs fall and hurt your wrist 25k, twist ankle 30k , 10 yr old boy small cut to finger 10k . Cut leg climbing a bloody mountain 75 k . Should be no more that what the hospital charges and what you miss from work end of.

Sue Pa Key Pa

Reckless Abandonment wrote:

It's the payouts that are the reason these people do it. Ffs fall and hurt your wrist 25k, twist ankle 30k , 10 yr old boy small cut to finger 10k . Cut let climbing a bloody mountain 75 k . Should be no more that what the hospital charges and what you miss from work end of.

There needs to be a system of compensation following negligence or else people will take the plss with health and safety. However, the level of awards are far too high for minor injuries that should be just shrugged off as being part of life

The_Valeyard

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

There needs to be a system of compensation following negligence or else people will take the plss with health and safety. However, the level of awards are far too high for minor injuries that should be just shrugged off as being part of life

Great username!

Ineedaname

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

It's the payouts that are the reason these people do it.
Ffs fall and hurt your wrist 25k, twist ankle 30k , 10 yr old boy small cut to finger 10k . Cut leg climbing a bloody mountain 75 k . Should be no more that what the hospital charges and what you miss from work end of.

There was a time I would have agreed with you. But then I got to see first hand the impact an injury can have on a persons life. My partner slipped and fell while washing the floor a few years ago and fractured her ankle.

It resulted in a month off work, multiple hospital visits and two surgeries. We've since discovered she's developed arthritis which has left her in constant pain and will greatly affect her ability to work long term. Even a simple injury can have serious long term effects over a person's life. You'd be surprised to see the bills add up. Between that and lost earnings €30k wouldn't even come close to covering it.

Fraud is a blight, you'll get no argument from me but people talk about these sums like they're outrageous amounts of money. When you experience it yourself you soon realize they're really not.

fullstop

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-dismisses-240k-damages-claim-as-accident-was-orchestrated-36323234.html

Seems to be one of the few judges who see through this stuff.

tayto lover

fullstop wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-dismisses-240k-damages-claim-as-accident-was-orchestrated-36323234.html

Seems to be one of the few judges who see through this stuff.

Lovely stuff.

sonofenoch

He problem is she wasn't some third world ****hole immigrant ....kerrrchiing

Liam McPoyle

fullstop wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-dismisses-240k-damages-claim-as-accident-was-orchestrated-36323234.html

Seems to be one of the few judges who see through this stuff.

Read that this morning, great result.

Nice to see the costs awarded against the guilty parties too though it does shine a light on the issue.

A common stick that people use to beat insurers with is that they settle claims "on the steps" rather than try and fight it in court.

The legal fees for each of the 4 claims in this case are in the region of €20k per claim.

If Zurich had have been found liable they would have had to pay them.

So the legal costs on top of the compo claims would have pushed the total outlay for the insurer to around €350k

Sometimes it's the easiest option to pay someone €15 or €20k out of court to get rid of them rather than risk going to court, losing, paying more compo and higher legal fees.

It's not ideal but that's the world we live In, that is Ireland in 2017, everyone wants a free lunch.

server down

That ^ sounds like a criminal conspiracy to me.

TallGlass

Business Cat wrote: »

Sometimes it's the easiest option to pay someone €15 or €20k out of court to get rid of them rather than risk going to court, losing, paying more compo and higher legal fees.

I was thinking the same, but I think insurance companies have now realised that for not fighting it, they are getting hit left right and center for 10/20/30/50/70/100k daily and paying out for all these little claims adds up.

They have to show that they will and can defend themselves over bogus claims. I am not a strong supporter of insurance as I think it's operated like a cartel to be honest. But it's good to see the courts start to have a bit of cop on in these blatant claims of fraud and lying in court.

dmc17

So, basically it seems that you can chance your arm at commiting fraud and the only punishment if you are found out is that you have to pay the costs? Not much of a deterrent really..

Liam McPoyle

dmc17 wrote: »

So, basically it seems that you can chance your arm at commiting fraud and the only punishment if you are found out is that you have to pay the costs? Not much of a deterrent really..

Even that is rare and tbh, I cannot imagine the insurer ever recouping anything from these gougers.

tayto lover

Should this effect the "no foal, no fee" type of claims and should they be made illegal in traffic accident compensation incidents I wonder or would that be fair or legal?

ED E

Dah Livelahnn today had a woman get 54K for a spurious claim where there wasnt even any contact.

If you own a car.

Get

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keano_afc

I was at my company Christmas do in the Four Seasons a few years ago. Some clown decided to bring their drink on the dance floor and ended up spilling it. I slipped on the spill, and went flying into the stage, landing on the step with my back taking the brunt of the damage. I remember the staff coming on to the dance floor to mop up the spill as I was helped up. I was in agony for days, and still have scar tissue as a result.

I was too embarrassed to do anything about it, but looking at some of these claims, I could have afforded a one bed apartment in Sligo with the payout I'd have got.