Dublin ranked second-worst major European city for quality of life

Here are the rooms currently advertised on daft.ie for Drumcondra and Phibsboro.

As you can see, you're lucky to get a room for less than €400 - and the ones ranging from 400 - 550 seem to be small single rooms.

Hell, this one in Phibsboro is looking for €350 a month ... to share a room -- with not just one, but two other people.

Two!

Isn't it about time we stop looking to excuse sh1te like that and, instead, start forcing landlords, agencies, and developers to do something about it.

AlmightyCushion

Aryanna Breezy Wall wrote: »

Which is becoming a big problem for the tech and finance companies based in Dublin and trying to attract ex pat employees. The fact that as high as their income is there's near zero availability of central single occupancy apartments and they're instead left with houseshares in the suburbs is not something that chimes with their experience and expectations.

Dublin's housing crisis is insane, it's a small city. And it's not something it makes sense to shrug off, with Brexit coming especially. If the policy is that attracting foreign companies and workers is good good good, always good, then anything that makes Dublin a less attractive place is very very very bad.

I'm not shrugging it off, housing is a big issue in Dublin and we need to start building apartments and houses and sorting out public transport ASAP. I just don't see why you'd spend 400 a month to share a bed when you can spend an extra 100 for your own double room.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

Here are the rooms currently advertised on daft.ie for Drumcondra and Phibsboro.

As you can see, you're lucky to get a room for less than €400 - and the ones ranging from 400 - 550 seem to be small single rooms.

Hell, this one in Phibsboro is looking for €350 a month ... to share a room -- with not just one, but two other people.

Two!

Isn't it about time we stop looking to excuse sh1te like that and, instead, start forcing landlords, agencies, and developers to do something about it.

By my reckoning there are 96 double rooms available in houses apartments at less than €750 pm in Dublin 3,5,7,9, and 11 - you can walk to the city centre from some of those areas and they are all very cyclable.

In D3 alone there are 12.

djPSB

Dublin doesn't offer much as a City unfortunately. It's a pity as it has so much potential.
- ridiculous cost of rent and houses. In no way sustainable.
- in most parts, public transport is appalling. Traffic congestion is chronic, M50 is like a Car Park.

Grayson

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I'm not shrugging it off, housing is a big issue in Dublin and we need to start building apartments and houses and sorting out public transport ASAP. I just don't see why you'd spend 400 a month to share a bed when you can spend an extra 100 for your own double room.

Because €100 is a lot of money to a lot of people?

Grayson

Jawgap wrote: »

By my reckoning there are 96 double rooms available in houses apartments at less than €750 pm in Dublin 3,5,7,9, and 11 - you can walk to the city centre from some of those areas and they are all very cyclable.

In D3 alone there are 12.

€750 is a ridiculous amount to pay for a room.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Full time minimum wage gets you about 330 a week take home pay AFAIR.

How do people actually live in Dublin on that? Rent isn't the only thing that's dearer up there.

Jawgap

Grayson wrote: »

€750 is a ridiculous amount to pay for a room.

I agree - but its supply and demand.

....the study was conducted in relation to ex-pats - they are not really compelled to come here. If those people are finding Dublin too expensive, they can always go elsewhere but I suspect the bit the survey that suggests a job in Dublin with certain firms puts people on a faster promotion track is what draws them - consequently, they're only passing through and not looking to settle here.

A Little Pony

It is certainly not a surprise to me, Dublin is a big dump with a homeless crisis, housing crisis and too many immigrants putting pressure on public services, so ultimately this is the result.

Grayson

Jawgap wrote: »

I agree - but its supply and demand.

....the study was conducted in relation to ex-pats - they are not really compelled to come here. If those people are finding Dublin too expensive, they can always go elsewhere but I suspect the bit the survey that suggests a job in Dublin with certain firms puts people on a faster promotion track is what draws them - consequently, they're only passing through and not looking to settle here.

But the problems they have are the same problems we have.

Jawgap

Grayson wrote: »

But the problems they have are the same problems we have.

No to the same degree - someone coming here on a temporary posting is probably not looking to put kids in school, arrange care for elderly parents etc.....

......and if they are here on a longer term basis then they can do what the the rest of us priced out of Dublin have done - move!

wakka12

Dublin has some great assets, like low crime rates, good community atmosphere in large parts of it, a lot of green space, low pollution, cosmopolitan, ethnically mixed, high levels of business/economic output, its clean, good quality building construction in the city

But public transport and rent rates/availablity of accomodation are absolutely crucial factors that Dublin massively falls down in so Im not that surprised its ranked badly.

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

By my reckoning there are 96 double rooms available in houses apartments at less than €750 pm in Dublin 3,5,7,9, and 11 - you can walk to the city centre from some of those areas and they are all very cyclable.

In D3 alone there are 12.

Oh golly! Less than €750 per month.

In many parts of the country, that's what you'd pay for a full friggin' house!

Boom_Bap

Aryanna Breezy Wall wrote: »

Full time minimum wage gets you about 330 a week take home pay AFAIR.

How do people actually live in Dublin on that? Rent isn't the only thing that's dearer up there.

We just spend it all on heroin and let the good times roll.

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh golly! Less than €750 per month.

In many parts of the country, that's what you'd pay for a full friggin' house!

Yes but then you dont get to live in a city
You pay for living in a city quite dearly, in almost every country on earth. In dublin this is just grossly exaggerated to an unacceptable degree though

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Dublin has some great assets, like low crime rates, good community atmosphere in large parts of it, a lot of green space, low pollution, cosmopolitan, ethnically mixed, high levels of business/economic output, its clean, good quality building construction in the city

In my experience, none of that applies to the city centre. It's definitely not clean or all that safe ..

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

In my experience, none of that applies to the city centre. It's definitely not clean or all that safe ..

Everything is relative. It may not be perfect, but its cleaner and safer than most city centres in the world

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Everything is relative. It may not be perfect, but its cleaner and safer than most city centres in the world

In third world countries, sure.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

In third world countries, sure.

Ah, no. Dublin has myriad problems but it's still far ahead of a lot of European cities - it's quite clean, and quite safe, plus it has no high rises, and still functions on a human scale.

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

In third world countries, sure.

Well yeh. 85% of the world, so thats an achievement. The world is overall poor and dirty
And anyway Dublin its just as clean as any large european cities Ive ever visited too

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Well yeh. 85% of the world, so thats an achievement. The world is overall poor and dirty
And anyway Dublin its just as clean as any large european cities Ive ever visited too

Haven't seen junkies out in the street and people openly doing drug deals in Barcelona, London, New York, Los Angeles ...

wakka12

Jawgap wrote: »

Ah, no. Dublin has myriad problems but it's still far ahead of a lot of European cities - it's quite clean, and quite safe, plus it has no high rises, and still functions on a human scale.

Well highrises arent inherently bad imo..Some are nice. Most are horrible, awful.Like most large east asian and american cities. But they save a lot of space, and could help hugely with Dublins sprawl and housing shortage

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

Haven't seen junkies out in the street and people openly doing drug deals in Barcelona, London, New York, Los Angeles ...

Well I simply dont believe that
Have you even been to barcelona? Every street corner in gothic district a middle eastern/indian man will ask you if you want cocaine hash weed etc

And barcelona has much bigger problems with prostitution for instance. Ive never been approached by dozens of prostitutes in one night walking home from a club in dublin, have you? Well its EVERYWHERE in barcelona.

Also dont believe youve been to new york, or any north american city. Completely insane people wander the streets, absolutely out of their mind, much much worse than any junkie in Dublin, so much louder and honestly a lot more frightening to be around. I dont know whether they are all on drugs or are all just mentally insane

And a thing that all those cities has actually that Dublin should be greatful we dont have is overly aggressive gypsy and middle eastern scammers and gimmick tourist ****e sales people

Junkies and drug dealnig are far worse in many first world cities, even in many of the few you listed !:pac:

wakka12

Often when I read threads like this about Dublin it makes me feel as though the people writing in them have never visited anywhere outside of the major tourist areas of some first world major tourist cities

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

Haven't seen junkies out in the street and people openly doing drug deals in Barcelona, London, New York, Los Angeles ...

What? It's all over the place in Barca.....and in my experience you don't have to go too far off the beaten path in London and NY to find junkies, dealers and seriously levels of violence.

Not sure about LA because I've never really spent that much time there.

AlmightyCushion

wakka12 wrote: »

Often when I read threads like this about Dublin it makes me feel as though the people writing in them have never visited anywhere outside of the major tourist areas of some first world major tourist cities

I don't even think it's that. Les Rambles in Barcelona is a big tourist area and you can't walk down it without getting offered drugs every 2 minutes. You get the same in Amsterdam. I think it's more down to confirmation bias and them believing Dublin is a dangerous kip.

wakka12

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't even think it's that. Les Rambles in Barcelona is a big tourist area and you can't walk down it without getting offered drugs every 2 minutes. You get the same in Amsterdam. I think it's more down to confirmation bias and them believing Dublin is a dangerous kip.

It just makes me sad because I know people from eastern european and other countries who gave up their entire life to come here and give their children a good life, and they love it here compared to home, and then you have completely ungrateful locals like boneyarsebogman acting like hes suffering in aleppo here

I know dublins not amazing, ive come home fromparis and other cities and thought how dull dublin is. But I can still see what I have got, thats not to say we shouldnt improve but I appreciate how much better dublin is than the vast majority of cities on earth and we are lucky to live here.

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

It just makes me sad because I know people from eastern european and other countries who gave up their entire life to come here and give their children a good life, and they love it here compared to home, and then you have completely ungrateful locals like boneyarsebogman acting like hes suffering in aleppo here

Ungrateful local? Ara would you eff off with that nonsense?

Also this poll was conducted by expats, who would fit into the category you're talking about. So it isn't as rosy as you're making it out to be.

Since, yknow, they're the ones complaining about the quality of life.

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

Ungrateful local? Ara would you eff off with that nonsense?

Also this poll was conducted by expats, who would fit into the category you're talking about. So it isn't as rosy as you're making it out to be.

Since, yknow, they're the ones complaining about the quality of life.

Theyre complaining about house prices.! Which I agreed are bad but I am saying theres plenty of good things about Dublin, which you disagred with. Youre saying its dirty and dangerous and akip etc, which they are not saying, and which most people would disagree with

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

Haven't seen junkies out in the street and people openly doing drug deals in Barcelona, London, New York, Los Angeles ...

I saw it in San Francisco. Plus the homelessness there left me feeling a bit sick in my stomach. You can see tent cities from the train and every doorway in the city centre seems to have someone living in it.
San Francisco is what dublin could become if housing isn't sorted. I have a friend in the mission district there. they were renting out a room in a house for something like 1400 a month. It's got to the stage where high earning tech workers can't afford to live in SF.

seachto7

Loads of cities worse than Dublin in fairness, but I can't wait to get out of here.

biko

Some day someone will make a film "Escape from Dublin", and it will still have Kurt Russell in the lead.

Tylerdurex

weldoninhio wrote: »

I've seen ads on Daft looking for people to share a double bed!!!!! Generally female only with a female occupant already there. Its madness.

Don't knock it till you try it :-D

zweton

seachto7 wrote: »

Loads of cities worse than Dublin in fairness, but I can't wait to get out of here.

where are you heading for?

Cina

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Haven't seen junkies out in the street and people openly doing drug deals in Barcelona, London, New York, Los Angeles ...

All due respect but it sounds like you've never been to any of those cities if that's your opinion.

Plenty of people have already talked about Barcelona in here but L.A, are you for real? I've never been to a bigger sh*thole of a city with crazy homeless people, insane income inequality, dirty streets (take a walk on Hollywood Blvd sometime), awful public transport, and overall feeling of unease when walking around. L.A. is an absolute ****hole unless you're really wealthy.

Basically you haven't a clue what you're on about.

whoopsadoodles

These threads make me think I've never actually been to Dublin.

John_Rambo

biko wrote: »

Some day someone will make a film "Escape from Dublin", and it will still have Kurt Russell in the lead.

I think Boneyarsebogman was that soldier.

From what I remember he popped on to the Dublin city forum a few years asking for advice on a move to the city, got plenty of help from Dubliners but has since started a good few anti-Dublin/Dubliner and negative Dublin threads.

Can you imagine having the time and inclination to start multiple negative threads bitching about an area in your country?

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

I think Boneyarsebogman was that soldier.

From what I remember he popped on to the Dublin city forum a few years asking for advice on a move to the city, got plenty of help from Dubliners but has since started a good few anti-Dublin/Dubliner and negative Dublin threads.

Can you imagine having the time and inclination to start multiple negative threads bitching about an area in your country?

Exactly how many threads do you think I've started giving out about Dublin ...?

John_Rambo

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly how many threads do you think I've started giving out about Dublin ...?

I have neither the time nor inclination to look or bury myself in the negativity.

You seem to though. Blast away my friend.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

John_Rambo wrote: »

I have neither the time nor inclination to look or bury myself in the negativity.

You seem to though. Blast away my friend.

I'm off sick so I do! Took five minutes to look through two years of threads bogmans started, only one about Dublin was asking where to get boxes for packing.

I'd say you've him mixed up with someone else, there's another poster with a similar name, can't remember what but I get them mixed up too.

Idbatterim

but but what about rural Ireland? sure arent they the ones with all the issues? like dublin paying for everything, while it itself has a third world public transport system? housing crisis and rents incomparable to the rest of the other "cities"...

the housing crisis here is beyond a scandal. But dont worry, the politicians and councils totally responsible, have been paying lip service for years and will continue to do so...

Aryanna Breezy Wall

Aryanna Breezy Wall wrote: »

I'm off sick so I do! Took five minutes to look through two years of threads bogmans started, only one about Dublin was asking where to get boxes for packing.

I'd say you've him mixed up with someone else, there's another poster with a similar name, can't remember what but I get them mixed up too.

I'm particularly fond of the one about sex magicians.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm particularly fond of the one about sex magicians.

You should be, it's some of your best work.

John_Rambo

Aryanna Breezy Wall wrote: »

I'd say you've him mixed up with someone else, there's another poster with a similar name, can't remember what but I get them mixed up too.

Maybe, there’s a few of them. BABogman could be one of the haters that chimes in on them. keyboard.

Anyway, get better soon.

seachto7

zweton wrote: »

where are you heading for?

No idea. In talks with er indoors about moving to Spain. If I stay in Ireland, either Galway, Limerick or Cork, but I just can't hack living in a shoebox anymore. I'm too old to be sharing with loads of people too.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

Maybe, there’s a few of them. BABogman could be one of the haters that chimes in on them. keyboard.

Anyway, get better soon.

Or maybe you're talking nonsense. And have just been proven wrong.

John_Rambo

Deleted User wrote: »

Or maybe you're talking nonsense. And have just been proven wrong.

It's cool man. Keep it up if it keeps you happy. This thread is amusing if nothing else.

Knock yourself out.